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I have the Vince Gill album, "Ballads", from 2013....his voice just isn't as smooth and clear with the 560 to my ears.  Linda Ronstadt's voice has a quality that reacts in a similar way, as well as Allison Krause!  I don't have a problem EQing the 560 while I listen to them.  Also, I have quite a few aftermarket DIY cables so I don't use the stock cable.  What I have is more resolving, imo....but I will not discuss the differences in the different wire used in the cables.  Even HFM uses cables of different design amongst their headphones.  So lets just say cables don't make a difference to avoid any arguments about them.  I love the 560 very much with my setup, which involves a lot of different pieces, and at different times that can change with small changes.  Also, this is something that was not that noticeable with the preorder Rev.1 with the old ear pads.

 

I listened to some Allison Krauss while you were typing this up.  Couldn't find much wrong with her voice.  Looking for that Vince Gill album, it wasn't on Spotify...  Tried a random album again, not hearing.  At the same time, I don't know either of these artists that well to really say much.  IMO, I think it might be the 4 kHz boost that the new model got (that's the main difference between them).  HiFiMan, Fang really, tries to hand pick their cables (whichever sounds best in their setup is used as the stock).  Either way, I doubt it's the cable.  I tried :p  LOL.  Still think it's the 4 kHz boost. 


I added a boost at 2khz, like TMRaven suggested, and it does smooth the transition for me a bit.  But if I shut all of the EQ off 2 - 4khz, I lose the enjoyment I had.  Allison Krause, "A Hundred Miles or More", surely sounds better to me with the EQ on, seems to me that the hump of the 560 at 3 - 5khz isn't needed, but that is just me....I'm not trying to please anyone other than myself.  Most in this forum would stand behind the HFM sound anyways, maybe I should have kept the preorder Rev.1, but I decided the total package of the production Rev.2 was better, even if I have the need to EQ to make it sound to my liking.  IMO, IMO.

post #4262 of 10894
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I have the Vince Gill album, "Ballads", from 2013....his voice just isn't as smooth and clear with the 560 to my ears.  Linda Ronstadt's voice has a quality that reacts in a similar way, as well as Allison Krause!  I don't have a problem EQing the 560 while I listen to them.  Also, I have quite a few aftermarket DIY cables so I don't use the stock cable.  What I have is more resolving, imo....but I will not discuss the differences in the different wire used in the cables.  Even HFM uses cables of different design amongst their headphones.  So lets just say cables don't make a difference to avoid any arguments about them.  I love the 560 very much with my setup, which involves a lot of different pieces, and at different times that can change with small changes.  Also, this is something that was not that noticeable with the preorder Rev.1 with the old ear pads.

 

I listened to some Allison Krauss while you were typing this up.  Couldn't find much wrong with her voice.  Looking for that Vince Gill album, it wasn't on Spotify...  Tried a random album again, not hearing.  At the same time, I don't know either of these artists that well to really say much.  IMO, I think it might be the 4 kHz boost that the new model got (that's the main difference between them).  HiFiMan, Fang really, tries to hand pick their cables (whichever sounds best in their setup is used as the stock).  Either way, I doubt it's the cable.  I tried :p  LOL.  Still think it's the 4 kHz boost. 

 

Nothing wrong with Allison Krauss' voice LOL, I have about 10 with her as at least part of the vocals, I just don't care for what HFM adds to the music in the 2 -4khz area, I would call it coloured there for whatever reason, because it is not a flat in freq response in that area.  Just listening to John Gorka, and I can add him to my list.  You would need to listen to the artists without the EQ, and then add the EQ and switch back and for via A/B mode to hear what I am trying to describe what is being added!

 

HFM stated that the production Rev.2 was more musical sounding, maybe this area is what they perceived!


Edited by cute - 7/2/14 at 6:44pm
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I'm just surprised you were so emphatic about keeping the production 560 over the preorder one, even though it's more colored in the lower treble (6-7db as opposed to 2-3db), and are now vocally expressing displeasure with the same region.

 

I really wanna know if it's an issue with the new pads or not.

post #4264 of 10894
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Nothing wrong with Allison Krauss' voice LOL, I have about 10 with her as at least part of the vocals, I just don't care for what HFM adds to the music in the 2 -4khz area, I would call it coloured there for whatever reason, because it is not a flat in freq response in that area.  Just listening to John Gorka, and I can add him to my list.  You would need to listen to the artists without the EQ, and then add the EQ and switch back and for via A/B mode to hear what I am trying to describe what is being added!

 

HFM stated that the production Rev.2 was more musical sounding, maybe this area is what they perceived!

 

I thought they said more transparent...  Which would make sense...  But you are right, there is a bump up there and it does do something :p  If I could EQ Spotify nicely, I would, but I don't think there is one built in :p

 

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I'm just surprised you were so emphatic about keeping the production 560 over the preorder one, even though it's more colored in the lower treble (6-7db as opposed to 2-3db), and are now vocally expressing displeasure with the same region.

 

I really wanna know if it's an issue with the new pads or not.

 

I'm curious if the pad does do this...  Altering the width could have some effects...  If it's the housing, then there isn't much we can do.  Someone should measure the production 560 with the pre-production pads :p 

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Www.Equalify.me in regards to eq
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I thought they said more transparent...  Which would make sense...  But you are right, there is a bump up there and it does do something tongue.gif  If I could EQ Spotify nicely, I would, but I don't think there is one built in tongue.gif


I'm curious if the pad does do this...  Altering the width could have some effects...  If it's the housing, then there isn't much we can do.  Someone should measure the production 560 with the pre-production pads tongue.gif 
post #4266 of 10894
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I'm just surprised you were so emphatic about keeping the production 560 over the preorder one, even though it's more colored in the lower treble (6-7db as opposed to 2-3db), and are now vocally expressing displeasure with the same region.

 

I really wanna know if it's an issue with the new pads or not.

 

It was more a matter of pad availability with the old pads on the Rev.1, and any future warranty issues that might arise, also resale questions about the same!

post #4267 of 10894
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Www.Equalify.me in regards to eq

 

I'm using a BSD Unix based machine (AKA OS X) which doesn't recognize MSI files that well :p 

post #4268 of 10894
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I'm using a BSD Unix based machine (AKA OS X)


Ah...well there's your problem. ;)

post #4269 of 10894
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Www.Equalify.me in regards to eq

 

I'm using a BSD Unix based machine (AKA OS X) which doesn't recognize MSI files that well :p 

 

What bitrate are the source files you listen to on Spotify?  DAC?  Amp?


Edited by cute - 7/2/14 at 7:12pm
post #4270 of 10894
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What bitrate are the source files you listen to on Spotify?

Low unfortunately, unless Spotify up'd the bitrate. Do you think the lossy compression got rid of that artifact?
post #4271 of 10894
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Low unfortunately, unless Spotify up'd the bitrate. Do you think the lossy compression got rid of that artifact?


320KB OGG Vorbis, unless you're not on premium then 160.

post #4272 of 10894
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What bitrate are the source files you listen to on Spotify?

Low unfortunately, unless Spotify up'd the bitrate. Do you think the lossy compression got rid of that artifact?

 

You are comparing apples to oranges, try listening to lossless to hear what you are missing!

post #4273 of 10894
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I added a boost at 2khz, like TMRaven suggested, and it does smooth the transition for me a bit.  But if I shut all of the EQ off 2 - 4khz, I lose the enjoyment I had.  Allison Krause, "A Hundred Miles or More", surely sounds better to me with the EQ on, seems to me that the hump of the 560 at 3 - 5khz isn't needed, but that is just me....I'm not trying to please anyone other than myself.  Most in this forum would stand behind the HFM sound anyways, maybe I should have kept the preorder Rev.1, but I decided the total package of the production Rev.2 was better, even if I have the need to EQ to make it sound to my liking.  IMO, IMO.

Thank you for providing your honest input. I, myself, am a huuuge believer of EQ. If I turn off my EQ, my level of enjoyment of my HE400 would be slashed severely. I would recommend keeping that 2kHz boost as part of your EQ setting. Never heard the HE560 with or without EQ, but from experience it's preferable to have linearity; dips can be just as bad as peaks. Based on the graph alone, I would say the 2kHz dip is probably more problematic than the 4-6kHz "hump" (I hesitate to call it a "hump" or "peak", because its level seems level with the <1kHz range.

post #4274 of 10894
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You are comparing apples to oranges, try listening to lossless to hear what you are missing!

 

True true...  Unfortunately, that'd require me to buy the music...  I normally listen at 256 AAC though. 

post #4275 of 10894
Ok that's slightly concerning...
I guess if I don't like these, they're going back.
Needless to say, after such a long wait, I'd be extremely disappointed mad.gif
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