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You can EQ up as long as you lower your preamp to accommodate for it.  I've not heard the Alpha Dogs, but the transitions in the upper mids and lower treble do seem to be very smooth, albeit recessed as a whole-- at least according to the measurements.  Measurements can lie though.

 

I haven't heard much 'vibration' with vocals on the HE-560's behalf, but only an emphasis that can bring out F and TH sometimes, and usually on hotly mastered tracks.  I'm more of an instruments guy, though.

 

There seemed to be more of a problem in the production version of the 560s than the preorder version in that area, in other words the production version was a bit more 'livelier' in that area.  The measurements do show that, as well, to a certain extent.  Gonna see if Purrin can swap the pads on either model tonight to see if it's a problem with the new pads.

 

 

Edit: this is probably a better picture for EQ'ing..

 


Edited by TMRaven - 7/2/14 at 1:00pm
post #4232 of 8578
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I'm not that well versed on the technicalites of EQ, I just go by what my ears hear. ..

... The Alpha Dogs are fairly flat in the 2khz to 6khz area, which is why the vocals don't exhibit the problem I hear with the HE560....
Unfortunately for you it seems your ear has a sensitivity to those certain frequencies. .

All of us have different sensitivities due to our ear shape/size/earcanal differences..

I Myself have issue with sibilant frequencies and could not stay with an otherwise great can in the Sony7520. .
Edited by Maxx134 - 7/2/14 at 1:16pm
post #4233 of 8578
double post
Edited by Maxx134 - 7/2/14 at 1:05pm
post #4234 of 8578
Please reassure me, tell me that there is no need for the He-560 equalizer to enjoy. Because my system does not provide this...
post #4235 of 8578
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I'm not that well versed on the technicalites of EQ, I just go by what my ears hear. ..

... The Alpha Dogs are fairly flat in the 2khz to 6khz area, which is why the vocals don't exhibit the problem I hear with the HE560....
Unfortunately for you it seems your ear has a sensitivity to certain frequencies. .
All of us have different sensitivities due to our ear shape/size/earcanal differences..

I Myself have issue with sibilant frequencies and could not stay with an otherwise great can in the Sony7520. .

 

I would say my ears have a sensitivity to certain headphones with certain vocals....I shouldn't need to change headphones to listen to select vocals/singers, the satisfaction should come with all of the headphones I have chosen to purchase.  The HE560 imo, does not do a good job in that 3 -6khz region, and my other phones do, whether it is a fault of the headphone or my ears, it is something I have to decide if I can live with it.  Maybe the 400i will be more to my liking in that area!

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Please reassure me, tell me that there is no need for the He-560 equalizer to enjoy. Because my system does not provide this...

 

I would say it depends on how and what you listen to, and what details you prefer in you signature sound!  What I like may be very different, because we all hear things differently!

post #4237 of 8578
ok thanx. I will listen with my nad bee c356 and with vali. Mainly instrumental (klaus schulze, mike oldfield...) I will keep you informed !
post #4238 of 8578
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Scary :eek:

I sold my Alpha Dog in part to finance the HE-560

 

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Please reassure me, tell me that there is no need for the He-560 equalizer to enjoy. Because my system does not provide this...

 

The EQ that TMRaven suggested to the HE-560 would give it what I would consider an ideal response. However, IMO, the HE-560 does not need it for anyone to enjoy. It's close enough already. As it is, the HE-560 certainly owns its place among "neutralish" headphones. I can see some people having issue with the small 4k bump which can add some edge or bite to vocals or instruments. I'm not particularly sensitive to bumps around 4-5k. Most people I know in real life are not either. The Alpha Dogs have issues higher up around 6-7k. I have issues with that. Lots dependent upon one's favored recordings, personal sensitivities and preferences.

 

If you sold your Alpha Dogs, you probably sold them for a reason. I personally could not stand the Alphas no matter how many layers of the obedience kits I slapped on to it.


Edited by purrin - 7/2/14 at 1:44pm
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No insult to cute but he has had nothing very nice to say about the 560 he really should return them
I do not find these problems at all that does not mean I am right just if your unhappy you should dump them. So far I am very satisfied I hated the female vocals of the HD400 so I sold it an got the 500 why would I continue to keep a phone I have very little nice to say about
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No insult to cute but he has had nothing very nice to say about the 560 he really should return them
 

 

That shouldn't stop him from saying negative things. I like hearing these kinds of things. While I didn't hear what he dislikes about them myself (under meet conditions), it's interesting to read what other people are hearing.

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...  The HE560 imo, does not do a good job in that 3 -6khz region, and my other phones do...

...  Maybe the 400i will be more to my liking in that area!

I would rather say that they don't do what you would prefer them to do in that frequency region..

That is the signature of these cans, rather than A deficiency..

That can also be what some may percieve as a brighter or livelier signature..

To keep things in perspective, remember TMRAVEN post with the measurements...
Stating that the distortion levels of the he560 are among the lowest he ever seen..

So details are clear, and I would also check equipment for strident sound, as that happened to me with the hd800.
I was ready to give up on the hd800 untill I upgraded my system to an HA-1...
Edited by Maxx134 - 7/2/14 at 2:32pm
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I'm not that well versed on the technicalites of EQ, I just go by what my ears hear.  I don't have a problem with a lot of vocals...so far with, Vince Gill, Linda Ronstadt, Allison Krause, I get a lot better listening experience with those on the HE560 with my Parametric EQ settings, I may notice more vocals with and without EQ.  The Alpha Dogs are fairly flat in the 2khz to 6khz area, which is why the vocals don't exhibit the problem I hear with the HE560.  I'm sure others with more experience with EQ could do a much better job, but I did get the effect I was looking for.  From what I have read in the past, is if you EQ, never EQ up, only use EQ down for the best results.

 

Thanks for your post @TMRaven!

 

I have to say that Raven loves Alison Krauss...loves, loves loves!! :p

post #4243 of 8578
I also love Allison Krauss if her voice songs good it can't be bad
post #4244 of 8578
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The EQ that TMRaven suggested to the HE-560 would give it what I would consider an ideal response. However, IMO, the HE-560 does not need it for anyone to enjoy. It's close enough already. As it is, the HE-560 certainly owns its place among "neutralish" headphones. I can see some people having issue with the small 4k bump which can add some edge or bite to vocals or instruments. I'm not particularly sensitive to bumps around 4-5k. Most people I know in real life are not either. The Alpha Dogs have issues higher up around 6-7k. I have issues with that. Lots dependent upon one's favored recordings, personal sensitivities and preferences.

 

If you sold your Alpha Dogs, you probably sold them for a reason. I personally could not stand the Alphas no matter how many layers of the obedience kits I slapped on to it.

"Merci mon cher" this is reassuring. If I Sold Alpha is mainly for all-day comfort. Before, I set sound above all the rest, but finally the weight became too annoying ... 
Otherwise I love the Momentum but at work I can and I equalizer : I down the bass and I increases the area at 4.5 khz. So I think that the bump in this region of HE-560 would not disturb me.

(By the way : in the closer headphone world,  the combo modi / lehmann rhinelander / foobar / momentum is stellar to me with some equalisation).

 

 

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No insult to cute but he has had nothing very nice to say about the 560 he really should return them

 

 

He is a little scary but I think if he keeps them and criticism means that he love them somewhere. no ? In this sens I agree with 

 

Ah, another thing: There was a lot of positive emotions about the preorder and now it is say that they where no so excellent, now that the final version is released. That makes me a funny effect ! What can I believe ;)

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Yeah I don't really notice the elevation around 5kHz with music, even with tone sweeps it's only a minor raise there to my ears.

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