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post #4051 of 17297
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post

Well if they truly do perform the same in every other SQ category, but have improved imaging, speed, and bass then I'd say that's pretty definitive that the 560 is better than the 6. Thanks for the input, but is this the general consensus or is this anecdotal opinion? If it's majority then it becomes factual that SQ of 6 < SQ of 560. 
they don't, that's why the HE-6 is still the better headphone.
post #4052 of 17297

I don't get the comparison with the HE-6, really.

post #4053 of 17297
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

I don't get the comparison with the HE-6, really.

+1

post #4054 of 17297
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post


they don't, that's why the HE-6 is still the better headphone.

That's what I assumed from the beginning. So the 6 is still probably king. I am unsure how any headphone can audibly be much better than the HE6 at full potential. It always gets comparisons to the SR009 and LCD3 so if it's obviously better than the 6 which are arguably sideways from the Stax and LCD3 when properly amped, then by transitive theory that means Hifiman will have to release a can clearly better than the Stax to top the 6. That to me personally seems very unlikely - at least any time soon. 

post #4055 of 17297
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Originally Posted by zach915m View Post

 

That's a really good point, as the people I know who have or have had the he-6 spent a lot of time and money finding the right amp/source for them.  With the 560 that won't be as much of a problem and may cost far less $ and effort in the long haul.  Doesn't mean properly amplified the HE-6 isn't better, as I did prefer the HE-6 I've heard to the 560 as it had a touch more refinement, but the 560 was really really close for me, and I would surely buy one (560) at this point over an he-6 for the same price.
Exactly this.
I'm using the HE-6 with a Lavardin IS Reference that cost $5,000 (I didn't pay the full price but it is still the most expensive gear I bought, by far. Hugo is second), it's clearly not conceivable for most people (even for me, I find it insane).
At the price of this amp alone, you can get a full HE-560 setup.
If I had to do it all over again I most definitely would go the HE-560 way...
post #4056 of 17297

I want the HE-6 sound from my iPhone, well honey child, we've been waiting for Mr. Fang to make the HE-6i.

post #4057 of 17297
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

I want the HE-6 sound from my iPhone, well honey child, we've been waiting for Mr. Fang to make the HE-6i.

Impossible biggrin.gif
PM1/2 or 400i is as close as it gets for now...
Pretty good but not 6s performance redface.gif
post #4058 of 17297

Thoughts on the 560 with an Asgard 2?

post #4059 of 17297
Mine should be in this week
post #4060 of 17297

Playing the 560's out of the Hugo. The 560's are fantastic sounding. All parameters of reproduction are excellent, IMO. 

post #4061 of 17297

Get over the mandatory hierarchical organization of headphones. It took several meets and owning several dozen headphones for me to learn that it is all about taste. Many claim that the HE-6 is at the top of the heap, well after having had a few chances to listen to it and compare it back and forth with others I've found that I prefer the HE-500. Similarly I'm not alone in thinking that the LCD-2 is overall a better headphone than the LCD-3. My top favorite is still the Orpheus while for others it might be an HD800 or even (god forbid) some beyerdynamic tesla-majig.

 

Honestly once you get past obvious budgetary constraints it is any phone's game. It's more about the nuance of the listening experience, which headphone allows you to get closest to your notion of musical nirvana.

post #4062 of 17297
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Originally Posted by anetode View Post
 

Get over the mandatory hierarchical organization of headphones. It took several meets and owning several dozen headphones for me to learn that it is all about taste. Many claim that the HE-6 is at the top of the heap, well after having had a few chances to listen to it and compare it back and forth with others I've found that I prefer the HE-500. Similarly I'm not alone in thinking that the LCD-2 is overall a better headphone than the LCD-3. My top favorite is still the Orpheus while for others it might be an HD800 or even (god forbid) some beyerdynamic tesla-majig.

 

Honestly once you get past obvious budgetary constraints it is any phone's game. It's more about the nuance of the listening experience, which headphone allows you to get closest to your notion of musical nirvana.

True, but there are clear objective standards we can judge headphones by in terms of sound reproduction and then classify that into a hierarchy if desired. For example, you can claim that you "enjoy listening to apple earbuds more than an LCD3" but that doesn't change the fact that the LCD3 is without question technologically superior to the earbuds. If this principle exists with earbuds vs. LCD3 it doesn't somehow disappear and become impossible to utilize when headphone prices go up past a certain arbitrary boundary. 


Edited by goldenSHK - 6/29/14 at 9:33pm
post #4063 of 17297
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

True, but there are clear objective standards we can judge headphones by in terms of sound reproduction and then classify that into a hierarchy if desired. For example, you can claim that you "enjoy listening to apple earbuds more than an LCD3" but that doesn't change the fact that the LCD3 is without question technologically superior to the earbuds. If this principle exists with earbuds vs. LCD3 it doesn't somehow disappear and become impossible to utilize when headphone prices go up past a certain arbitrary boundary. 


This is exactly the sort of crap I'm talking about. "[D]oesn't change the fact that *headphone* is without question technologically superior to *other headphone* ... this principle ... doesn't somehow disappear and become impossible to utilize when headphone prices go up past a certain arbitrary boundary." Um, ok, what about the arbitrary boundary of judging transducer technology? The LCD-3 is basically a rehash of 70s planar technology while the latest apple earbuds not only have electrodynamic transducers but also implemented sophisticated finite element simulation in their acoustic design, not to mention ergonomic study, customer surveys of controlled demonstrations and other techniques which were largely unavailable and unused in the Audeze design. See, it's easy to put a pedantic and elitist spin on things.

 

I'm saying it's about the sound, get over all the other pretense.

post #4064 of 17297
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This is exactly the sort of crap I'm talking about. "[D]oesn't change the fact that *headphone* is without question technologically superior to *other headphone* ... this principle ... doesn't somehow disappear and become impossible to utilize when headphone prices go up past a certain arbitrary boundary." Um, ok, what about the arbitrary boundary of judging transducer technology? The LCD-3 is basically a rehash of 70s planar technology while the latest apple earbuds not only have electrodynamic transducers but also implemented sophisticated finite element simulation in their acoustic design, not to mention ergonomic study, customer surveys of controlled demonstrations and other techniques which were largely unavailable and unused in the Audeze design. See, it's easy to put a pedantic and elitist spin on things.

 

I'm saying it's about the sound, get over all the other pretense.

Don't be so easily offended. I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between "I like this headphone better than the other headphone" vs. "This headphone can reproduce details the other cannot, it can do X, Y, and Z while the other cannot." The former is subjective and forever debatable, the latter is objective and verifiable; The latter is what I want to understand and care about in terms of the 560 vs. the 6. 

post #4065 of 17297

No worries, I'm not offended, just mildly annoyed to see another rehash of a model number superiority debate. And I'm not going to get into what's subjective or objective. Suffice it to say that I'm not a fan of the popular usage of that distinction.

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