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Originally Posted by Bboy500 View Post
 

Quick question.

 

As someone who absolutely loves his HE-400's, they are as close to "end of the road" for me as I can get for overall headphones (movies/gaming/music)... Would these possibly be the final upgrade for me?

 

Essentially these are HE-400's with better bass (No idea how that comes around as I think the bass is perfect on the HE-400's, but I will take it) and without the small sibilance that comes with the HE-400's? As well as the upgrade in style :)

 

If yes, I am just going to save up a little bit and get them.

Oh for sure, I wouldn't say the same with HE500 -> HE560 (as the two have fundamentally divergent characteristics, and I think that is intentional), but when I compare HE560 and my HE400 side-by-side, HE560 is like a souped-up, heavily refined HE400, with the same sense of speed and bass solidity, just way smoother and more transparent, extended.

 

HE400i might actually turn out to be a direct upgrade to HE500, as strange as that sounds. Or at least the equivalent, with some pros and cons.


Edited by jerg - 6/14/14 at 10:43am
post #3482 of 17297

I would say a more recessed upper midrange on the HE-400 allows its bass to shine through more and be more enveloping than the HE-560, but the two do share lots of traits, even though their midrange and treble presentations are entirely different. Purrin considered the HE-560 an Abyss lite, which makes sense to me, because at that point in time-- through lots of research and impressions-- it seemed as though the Abyss was the only thing that I could have considered a true upgrade from the HE-400.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Oh for sure, I wouldn't say the same with HE500 -> HE560 (as the two have fundamentally divergent characteristics, and I think that is intentional), but when I compare HE560 and my HE400 side-by-side, HE560 is like a souped-up, heavily refined HE400, with the same sense of speed and bass solidity, just way smoother and more transparent, extended.

 

HE400i might actually turn out to be a direct upgrade to HE500, as strange as that sounds. Or at least the equivalent, with some pros and cons.

 

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I would say a more recessed upper midrange on the HE-400 allows its bass to shine through more and be more enveloping than the HE-560, but the two do share lots of traits, even though their midrange and treble presentations are entirely different. Purrin considered the HE-560 an Abyss lite, which makes sense to me, because at that point in time-- through lots of research and impressions-- it seemed as though the Abyss was the only thing that I could have considered a true upgrade from the HE-400.

 

Sounds great!

 

It would take me a month if I decided to start saving up now but I want some other things before I commit to this. First thing first, What is the cheapest amp/dac to pair up with these so that they sound good?

 

At the moment I have no expenses (No rent, No food, No transportation, Nothing) so I can either buy these things now while I have the opportunity or not for a long long time. I recently got the Schiit Vali + Modi (Need to update my sig) but I will just assume that is not enough.

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So back in January I came back to head-fi to do a little confirmation research before purchasing some he-400's.  Then I saw the CES hifiman thread and figured... Hey I better wait until March and grab the 400i's.

 

So 50-100 hours of head-fi lurking and refreshing later, with patience wearing thin, I'm strongly leaning towards going for the 560's.

 

Two thoughts contributing to my hesitation:

 

1.  I have not owned any serious over-ears (just decent quality IEM's and loudspeakers)... Am I deriving myself some of the gratification of the upgrade journey?  I could wait for the 400i's then buy a flagship a year or two down the road.

 

2.  How much of the 560's potential would be achieved from my current sources:

X5 h/o (has anyone tried their pre-orders out of an x5 or something of similar power...255 mW into 32 ohms)

 

Or the h/o of my Cambridge AZUR AVR 351r (speaker taps are also and option but seem like a dangerous overkill).

 

I would appreciate any relevant opinions.

 

While writing this post, I am even more convinced the 560's are the way to go.  I can probably get my upgrade kicks from a dac/amp puchase for the 560's within a few months.  However I'd still like to hear some opinions and believe it would be useful info for some of my fellow lurkers.

 

(emphasis on X5 pairing potential %)


Edited by slambanna - 6/14/14 at 10:11pm
post #3485 of 17297
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Originally Posted by Bboy500 View Post
 

 

 

 

Sounds great!

 

It would take me a month if I decided to start saving up now but I want some other things before I commit to this. First thing first, What is the cheapest amp/dac to pair up with these so that they sound good?

 

At the moment I have no expenses (No rent, No food, No transportation, Nothing) so I can either buy these things now while I have the opportunity or not for a long long time. I recently got the Schiit Vali + Modi (Need to update my sig) but I will just assume that is not enough.

 

Hard to tell. Vali + Modi is certainly not a bad start and I'd be led to believe that the 560 will sound decent with it. If you want to go up, then the Asgard 2/Bifrost or Compass 2 are great reasonably priced units to name.

 

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Originally Posted by slambanna View Post
 

So back in January I came back to head-fi to do a little confirmation research before purchasing some he-400's.  Then I saw the CES hifiman thread and figured... Hey I better wait until March and grab the 400i's.

 

So 50-100 hours of head-fi lurking and refreshing later, with patience wearing thin, I'm strongly leaning towards going for the 560's.

 

Two thoughts contributing to my hesitation:

 

1.  I have not owned any serious over-ears (just decent quality IEM's and loudspeakers)... Am I deriving myself some of the gratification of the upgrade journey?  I could wait for the 400i's then buy a flagship a year or down the road.

 

2.  How much of the 560's potential would be achieved from my current sources:

X5 h/o (has anyone tried their pre-orders out of an x5 or something of similar power...255 mW into 32 ohms)

 

Or the h/o of my Cambridge AZUR AVR 351r (speaker taps are also and option but seem like a dangerous overkill).

 

I would appreciate any relevant opinions.

 

While writing this post, I am even more convinced the 560's are the way to go.  I can probably get my upgrade kicks from a dac/amp puchase for the 560's within a few months.  However I'd still like to hear some opinions and believe it would be useful info for some of my fellow lurkers.

 

(emphasis on X5 pairing potential %)

 

1. It's always best to get the highest quality you can afford. If I were you and had to choose between buying the 400i or waiting a few months to buy something more expensive, I'd probably choose the former and upgrade later.

 

2. Hard to say. If reports are to go by, I wouldn't recommend less than 0.5W for either [possibly 1W for 560s]. I just bought a new DAC/amp to accommodate for the 560s myself. If I was targeting the 400i, I would have kept my older setup most likely [and saved money].

For purely the X5, I'd recommend the 400i probably. 255mW is pretty respectable but planars want even more power, be it sensitivity 90 or 94db.

 

3. The speaker taps are not really overkill. I think they'd work well with the 560 [but for 400i it is overkill.] especially with a resistor box in between, if necessary.

 

tl:dr, X5 should suffice as a temporary solution, but an upgrade would be recommended [for both, more so for 560s].


Edited by conquerator2 - 6/14/14 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 
 

 

1. It's always best to get the highest quality you can afford. If I were you and had to choose between buying the 400i or waiting a few months to buy something more expensive, I'd probably choose the former and upgrade later.

 

2. Hard to say. If reports are to go by, I wouldn't recommend less than 0.5W for either [possibly 1W for 560s]. I just bought a new DAC/amp to accommodate for the 560s myself. If I was targeting the 400i, I would have kept my older setup most likely [and saved money].

For purely the X5, I'd recommend the 400i probably. 255mW is pretty respectable but planars want even more power, be it sensitivity 90 or 94db.

 

3. The speaker taps are not really overkill. I think they'd work well with the 560 [but for 400i it is overkill.] especially with a resistor box in between, if necessary.

 

tl:dr, X5 should suffice as a temporary solution, but an upgrade would be recommended [for both, more so for 560s].

Thanks for the reply.  I was able to find a few impressions on the he-500 driven by an x3 which should be similar to my combo.

 

I know you've been waiting a long time for these to finally ship to you.  So this should be good news... the 560 is now on the head-direct product page.  However at the moment, clicking on the product doesn't get you to a product page.  I would expect this means they should be shipping this week.

 

I imagine when I see that BUY NOW button that I'll be taking the plunge.

 

What DAC/amp combo did you end up with for the 560?

 

Edit: It's up on the home page but does not yet appear on the product pages.


Edited by slambanna - 6/14/14 at 4:33pm
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Any DAC/Amp from Audio-GD would drove them. You just need to decide what budget and you'll be covered from $250 up to $2k
post #3488 of 17297
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Originally Posted by slambanna View Post

 

 

1.  I have not owned any serious over-ears (just decent quality IEM's and loudspeakers)... Am I deriving myself some of the gratification of the upgrade journey?  I could wait for the 400i's then buy a flagship a year or down the road.

 

 

That totally depends on your personality.

 

For me, the upgrade path was really important, and has been in all of my audio hobbies.  But then, I like the experience of trying new gear as much as listening to music.

 

The advice to buy the best you can afford, or save for the best, is solid advice.  It just doesn't work for me very well.

post #3489 of 17297
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post
 

That totally depends on your personality.

 

For me, the upgrade path was really important, and has been in all of my audio hobbies.  But then, I like the experience of trying new gear as much as listening to music.

 

The advice to buy the best you can afford, or save for the best, is solid advice.  It just doesn't work for me very well.

In hindsight I would have liked to have grabbed the he-400's as soon as they dropped to 299.  (Had I known actual release date of the 560/400i)

 

I feel a bit like I'm cheating myself jumping from budget over ear's to world class.  However I'm not a big re-seller of gear, so as much as I'd like to go down the upgrade path, it looks like I'll be saving myself some coin.  Ultimately I'm after the most accurate and revealing sound.  The 560's should provide this while scaling up with my gear. I'm sold, even though the 400i will likely be the best sound/$ value.

 

So is the the 560 on the head direct page actual news or has it been there for a while?

post #3490 of 17297
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Originally Posted by slambanna View Post

In hindsight I would have liked to have grabbed the he-400's as soon as they dropped to 299.  (Had I known actual release date of the 560/400i)

I feel a bit like I'm cheating myself jumping from budget over ear's to world class.  However I'm not a big re-seller of gear, so as much as I'd like to go down the upgrade path, it looks like I'll be saving myself some coin.  Ultimately I'm after the most accurate and revealing sound.  The 560's should provide this while scaling up with my gear. I'm sold, even though the 400i will likely be the best sound/$ value.

So is the the 560 on the head direct page actual news or has it been there for a while?

It was always there, all the way back from April when the pre-orders began.
Nonetheless, I am hoping the shipping will begin next week...
post #3491 of 17297

Dear HFM, any update from you?

post #3492 of 17297

I'm looking at head-direct.com, and I don't see the HE-560s listed.  Searched for them; nada.

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

I'm looking at head-direct.com, and I don't see the HE-560s listed.  Searched for them; nada.

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=196

 

But it's been deleted back in April when the release re-scheduling was announced.

The HE-560 picture is still there at head-direct and so is the link upon clicking.

post #3494 of 17297
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

I'm looking at head-direct.com, and I don't see the HE-560s listed.  Searched for them; nada.

Looks like your wallet is about to take a whoop'in. :D 

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=196

 

But it's been deleted back in April when the release re-scheduling was announced.

The HE-560 picture is still there at head-direct and so is the link upon clicking.

 

I think perhaps your browser is presenting cached data.  When I click that link my browser is redirected immediately to "http://head-direct.com/".  Just sayin'.  It makes no difference to me, as I won't be able to buy these until later this year, if not next year... if ever.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 

Ah, my bad.  I do see the photo of the HE-560, but as you note, the link isn't really there, just redirects.  Funny they have a placeholder, as it were.


Edited by ThurstonX - 6/15/14 at 7:56am
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