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Well price really isn't an indicator of performance.

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Well price really isn't an indicator of performance.

The newer cheaper T1s are obviously 40% worse in performance than the older, more expensive T1s ($850 / $1400 = 60%). I'm sure everyone who paid for the obviously-superior $1400 T1s would agree.

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The newer cheaper T1s are obviously 40% worse in performance than the older, more expensive T1s ($850 / $1400 = 60%). I'm sure everyone who paid for the obviously-superior $1400 T1s would agree.

Ouch!
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The newer cheaper T1s are obviously 40% worse in performance than the older, more expensive T1s ($850 / $1400 = 60%). 

Is there any indication of this...oh, this must be irony, I guess...or...

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Well price really isn't an indicator of performance.

I thought comparing headphones in the same price class is a normal thing around these parts? Maximizing value and whatnot. It's not like one's closed back and the other is open or anything. 

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Yeah it's good to compare headphones within the same price ranges, but that doesn't mean they all have relatively the same performance.

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The price of T1 dropped to $850? Why?

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Probably because it was overpriced to begin with.  :D 

 

And darkfireblade, now I understand what you mean about how the T1 would compare to the 560-- for strictly speaking from a buyer's standpoint who has 900 or so dollars to put into a headphone.


Edited by TMRaven - 6/6/14 at 7:24pm
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I wonder how this stacks against Beyer T1 since they're around the same price now.

 

Same.

 

Soundstage is a big factor for me. My HE-4 has fantastic imaging but sometimes it's like watching a 60" HDTV from 5 ft away. I want more space.

 

I'm thinking that a high-end headphone with dynamic drivers might better suit me and the T1 has held my interest for a while.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Yeah it's good to compare headphones within the same price ranges, but that doesn't mean they all have relatively the same performance.

Aaaand that's what comparisons are for~ to see how they stack so you can make your decisions, right? Pretty much what Head-Fi's all about, really.

 

Unless of course you already know which one has the better performance and by how much and how so. Do tell if you do.

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It's been quite a while since I've heard the T1, I can't be for sure how it stacks up to the HE-560 sonically.  I do know that it's a more colored headphone though, and a lot of its 'detail' comes from a severely elevated treble.

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It's been quite a while since I've heard the T1, I can't be for sure how it stacks up to the HE-560 sonically.  I do know that it's a more colored headphone though, and a lot of its 'detail' comes from a severely elevated treble.

You need a right kind of amplification to make T1 to sing. Maybe HE-560 and T1 are both good all-rounders.

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I think that when it comes to a colored headphone, it can equated to a different room/hall. You can take the same band, singer, orchestra and place them somewhere else and you get a different mood and sound, as we all know. So which is right? If the room is part of the performance, then you are just taking that same performance is being taken somewhere else, by using different headphones. To this, some rooms are terrible and some are great. So it looks like I have painted myself into a corner here. lol  I do think though, that within reason, good but different headphones, just portray the performance in a different way, not necessarily good or bad, and that it is possible to appreciate them for these differences. 

 

Enjoy each headphone for what it is, where it takes and if you don't like the ride. List it! 


Edited by jamato8 - 6/7/14 at 3:48pm
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I've seen this posted a billion times. This headphone needs good synergy. That headphone is very picky.
A good headphone should sound good out of a neutral 'transparent' DAC/amp IMO.
When you have to compensate for a flawed headphone by using 'colored' gear... That's just not a way I'd like to take.

It's hard to find such headphone, the perfect one if you will.
But some are closer than others.
That is, if you strive for neutrality and transparency.of course biggrin.gif
Personal taste and all that withstanding.

Particularly treble seems to be the Achilles heel of many headphones.
I've heard many headphones that did exceptionally well in bass, midrange, soundstage and separation but failed in treble reproduction... Maybe I am just too picky, but I'd love to hear an exceptionally well done treble one day. Maybe sooner than I dare to think cool.gif
Edited by conquerator2 - 6/7/14 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I think that when it comes to a colored headphone, it can equated to a different room/hall. You can take the same band, singer, orchestra and place them somewhere else and you get a different mood and sound, as we all know. So which is right? If the room is part of the performance, then you are just taking that same performance is being taken somewhere else, by using different headphones. To this, some rooms are terrible and some are great. So it looks like I have painted myself into a corner here. lol  I do think though, that within reason, good but different headphones, just portray the performance in a different way, not necessarily good or bad, and that it is possible to appreciate them for these differences. 

 

Enjoy each headphone for what it is, where it takes and if you don't like the ride. List it! 

 

The decision of a room is called preference.  Being able to replicate what happens in the room accurately, even if that room is a poor choice, is something that some listeners do like, that's what we generally refer to as a neutral, at times unforgiving, headphone.  Now, if you want a headphone that reproduces all rooms good (something some listeners also like), even the poor ones, that is also a terms of preference, that requires the ability to mask the flaws of any chosen room. 

 

OK, replace room with recording and we're back in headphones.

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