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post #301 of 17297
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Originally Posted by chirawatf View Post

I'm also a Hifiman's fan.  Looks like He560 has all the strength of He6; speed, imaging, tactility.

In my opinion one of the He6's weakness is it's prone to have sibilance at singer's voice (PS1000 and HD800  also have sibilance problem but LCD3 and LCD-X don't.)

Could you please comment to this aspect of He560?

Thanks.

I am sure that's also down to your setup.
In my case at least there was never much sibilance.
Too much treble sometimes? Sure, but not sibilant.

Back on topic, the 560 has not as much treble energy as the 6 has, or so it seems from the impressions.

It is more extended and brighter than Audeze treble but less than HD800/Grado.
Edited by conquerator2 - 3/28/14 at 5:32am
post #302 of 17297
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Originally Posted by TooPoor View Post
 

Only need one open can at this point.. That being said, I'll be watching this thread religiously for Jerg's impressions vs. his modded HE-500. I have Jergpads coming in (Modular's next batch) and will be doing the regrilling mod tomorrow. If he finds the difference to be minute that I'll definitely keep the HE-500 (I LOVE them with my stock tubed Project Ember).

I won't lie, currently I still favour my modded HE500's tonal balance slightly to the HE560s; there is something speakerlike and effortless with my the balance of my HE500s, as opposed to the neutrality and accuracy of the HE560s. The real say won't be determined until more extended listening sessions (as I get more accustomed to the HE560's sound signature) etc.


Edited by jerg - 3/28/14 at 5:32am
post #303 of 17297

Do any of the reviewers have the capability of listening to the HE-560 from speaker taps?  Would be interested in those impressions!

post #304 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I won't lie, currently I still favour my modded HE500's tonal balance slightly to the HE560s; there is something speakerlike and effortless with my the balance of my HE500s, as opposed to the neutrality and accuracy of the HE560s. The real say won't be determined until more extended listening sessions (as I get more accustomed to the HE560's sound signature) etc.

 

This doesn't concern me so much. Comfort comes first for me now and the he500 is too heavy or I'd still own it. My concern is that the 560 is voiced closer to the he6 than to the he500. Which is fine as this is what hifiman said all along. 

post #305 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

To be fair they did release the efficiency specs and HE560 is 90dB/mW, compared to HE500's 89dB/mW, so basically the same with some decimals rounded off. It shouldn't be much of a surprise. The cool thing is these are single-ended so drivers are like 60% the weight, yet efficiency is retained.

 

The magnets on the inner side would induce baffle reflections (see my fuzzor mod, also Purrin did a similar mod for his Abyss), maybe Hifiman just doesn't want to deal with it for their new line.


Baffle reflections huh? Makes sense. So that's why Purrin modded his Abyss. I haven't really been following his adventures lately. Yeah reducing the weight thing is absolutely very very cool. I also think lifting the upper-mid and adding more air + tighter bass pretty much gets rid of all of the HE-500s weaknesses. I can't wait to hear the 560. I think it's going to be an absolute must buy for me. It just shot to the top of my list for my next Head-Fi spending.

post #306 of 17297
Well but then the 400i could likewise be more voiced towards the 500.
Not that I am complaining, we'd then have two complementary models ;P

But the 400i then probably won't have the air quantity for instance.

My only fear is that now that I've bought the 560, the 400i will beat it somehow... That'd be disappointing for me, but I doubt it.
post #307 of 17297

^^ That's like saying that the he500 is better than the he6. Funny thing, is that for some people it does. It's all about what you want from the experience and what your preferences are. I'm definitely in the he500 camp when it comes to tone and voicing. 

post #308 of 17297

Matt if you are you will love this HE560. The voicing is really nice. Not too warm nor bright. Just sound like music

post #309 of 17297
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Originally Posted by chirawatf View Post
 

I'm also a Hifiman's fan.  Looks like He560 has all the strength of He6; speed, imaging, tactility.

 

In my opinion one of the He6's weakness is it's prone to have sibilance at singer's voice (PS1000 and HD800  also have sibilance problem but LCD3 and LCD-X don't.)

 

Could you please comment to this aspect of He560?

 

Thanks.

 

If you have the HE-6 and are having issues with sibilance, a better source and amp will help.  But the cheapest fix will be the new ear pads.  I have tried them with the HE-6 and it helps take a slight edge off the treble harshness of some bad recordings.  jerg inspired design on these pads really make a difference there.  That said, I've never really had an issue with the treble of the HE-6, in fact it's one of my favorite features.

post #310 of 17297
He prefers a warmer tone, which I gather is what he's trying to say. The same way Jerg has stated he prefers the more intimate, organic tone of the HE500, so would Matt, and so would I. Not saying we wouldn't like the 560, just saying a warmer than reference type balance is what some of us like, so we'd want something closer to the HE500 than the HE560.

Kind of like me preferring the tonal balance of the Mad Dog over the Alpha Dog, though I am well aware that the Alpha Dog is a better headphone.

Another example would be someone preferring the HD650 over the HD800. Doesn't matter how much more technical, detailed, and refined the 800 is over the 650. Tonal balance is something people seem to be disregarding when they blindly recommend high end headphones.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/28/14 at 7:05am
post #311 of 17297

Maybe his jerg-pad modded HE-500 has a more reference-like tonal balance than the 560.  

post #312 of 17297
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Maybe his jerg-pad modded HE-500 has a more reference-like tonal balance than the 560.  

Depends on what you mean by reference-like. I'm sure you've seen ultrabike's measurements, it's relatively neutral but with some very unique curvatures. Purrin said yesterday that it is very close to what his FR target is for his speaker projects.

post #313 of 17297

With no disrespect intended towards anyone here, I don't have much forgiveness for the, "this stupidly expensive hp would sound wonderful if you'd just spend another stupidly expensive amount of money on a better amp and dac." 

 

Maybe the manufacturer should reconsider the design at that point. Or maybe not if the hp is designed only to work with certain amps and sources. But take a look Audeze's new offering. Plug them into ANY desktop amp...they sound really really good. Now plug that same hp into your phone. It still sounds pretty good. :eek:  

 

I give hifiman credit for moving in the direction of better efficiency. This will only increase the potential market for them to sell more of these hp's.  Consider how many more he4's would have been sold if they didn't need such a powerful amp. You can add the he6 to this equation also. 

 

Sorry for the rant....

post #314 of 17297
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

With no disrespect intended towards anyone here, I don't have much forgiveness for the, "this stupidly expensive hp would sound wonderful if you'd just spend another stupidly expensive amount of money on a better amp and dac." 

Maybe the manufacturer should reconsider the design at that point. Or maybe not if the hp is designed only to work with certain amps and sources. But take a look Audeze's new offering. Plug them into ANY desktop amp...they sound really really good. Now plug that same hp into your phone. It still sounds pretty good. eek.gif   

I give hifiman credit for moving in the direction of better efficiency. This will only increase the potential market for them to sell more of these hp's.  Consider how many more he4's would have been sold if they didn't need such a powerful amp. You can add the he6 to this equation also. 

Sorry for the rant....

Hardly a rant though, it's true.
He-500+ is the bare minimum for conventional headphone amplifiers.
Ideally a headphone should sound great out of anything at least that's what most of us would love wink.gif
post #315 of 17297
Meanwhile im getting people saying the O2 is more than enough for the HE4...
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