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post #271 of 17297
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

Jerg, I have to commend and thank you for answering all of these questions thrown your way, you have been patient and gracious.

 

I have to ask, have you ever had any experience with the HE6?

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He hasn't AFAIK

post #272 of 17297
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 


Agreed LOL. Though I will say that I would've been looking for a few db improvement in extension so that would add up to be a good amount of db less than what i would've expected.

 

Jerg, I really appreciate this. Good job with answering questions and I will say you definitely don't seem to be talking subjectively. Everything you're saying seems genuine and objective, I like that.

I bet I can mod these specifically for improving sub-bass conduction, since it is pretty much all due to conduction and seal. When I was opening up the whole thing earlier today and checking out the drivers, I noticed that the baffles were making very poor contacts with the drivers because there are a few screws in the wrong places; modding the baffle plate so that it is a more solid piece would make bass conduction from the drivers to the earpads could pull out the sub-bass extension.

 

Also just doing some small things to really secure the drivers and couple them tightly to the cup assemblies would help too.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

Jerg, I have to commend and thank you for answering all of these questions thrown your way, you have been patient and gracious.

 

I have to ask, have you ever had any experience with the HE6?

.

 

Nothing more than meet auditions.


Edited by jerg - 3/27/14 at 8:35pm
post #273 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I bet I can mod these specifically for improving sub-bass conduction, since it is pretty much all due to conduction and seal. When I was opening up the whole thing earlier today and checking out the drivers, I noticed that the baffles were making very poor contacts with the drivers because there are a few screws in the wrong places; modding the baffle plate so that it is a more solid piece would make bass conduction from the drivers to the earpads could pull out the sub-bass extension.

 

Also just doing some small things to really secure the drivers and couple them tightly to the cup assemblies would help too.

 

 

 

Nothing more than meet auditions.


Hear that HiFiMaN? DO THIS BEFORE SENDING OUT THE FIRST BATCH!!!! HIRE JERG! haha

post #274 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Out of all the things about sound quality, a few sub-30Hz dBs is what you worry about the most? Haha. I've been analyzing these with some bassy synth stuff and I think they are flat out better than HE500s for EDM/electronic, the combination of really airy precise imaging and tight bass with lots of grunt is just a winning combination for those genres.


hahahah, I care too much about bass sometimes, this is reassuring though :p

post #275 of 17297

Listening to Shelby Lynn on the HE560 is delightful and very dynamic. I switched to to Woo WA5 and either my GSX or WA5 these headphones sound dynamic. Bass is excellent.  


Edited by Frank I - 3/27/14 at 8:46pm
post #276 of 17297
Jerg, genuine thanks for this wonderfully informative and involving on-demand review session!

This is exactly what we needed, as opposed to a nicely edited magazine article or a blog review with fancy words that are next to useless. I don't even understand half the time what the heck they're talking about.

Finally, thanks to Fang and Hifiman team for sending production samples to people like Jerg. It was a great help to finalize my decision to order a pair.
Edited by zxc - 3/27/14 at 9:05pm
post #277 of 17297
I'm hoping the HE-400improved actually sounds like the HE-400, with more upper mids, less treble, but same bass. That is all I could ever ask of HFM. For the i to actually mean improvement of the last one, and not a complete change in sound.

I'm sure the HE-560 is amazing, but so does the HE-4 at half the price, though the 560 seems to have most of the same strengths with better mids.

The 400i is the one to watch for me.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/27/14 at 9:01pm
post #278 of 17297
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


I'm sure the HE-560 is amazing, but so does the HE-4 at half the price, though the 560 seems to have most of the same strengths with better mids.

The 400i is the one to watch for me.


I'm having second thoughts on my FS ad. I'm listening to the HE4 right now after taking 3 week hiatus... they sound amazing indeed.

post #279 of 17297

I been trying to get to bed but I cant them off. These are really good headphones. I think this may be Hifiman best effort. The midrange is outstanding. The comfort is exceptional and this is a very balanced presentation. 

post #280 of 17297

Thanks for the impressions Jerg. :beerchug: Your description makes me think the 560 is the winner I was expecting from Hifiman. Love that they went for netural and comfort.

 

The only thing I'm wondering is if it's more resolving than the HE-500 (more resolving of micro-details i.e. transparency)

post #281 of 17297
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Thanks for the impressions Jerg. :beerchug: Your description makes me think the 560 is the winner I was expecting from Hifiman. Love that they went for netural and comfort.

 

The only thing I'm wondering is if it's more resolving than the HE-500 (more resolving of micro-details i.e. transparency)

I can't judge transparency half as well as transients (or are they two sides of the same coin?). These are transparent, just how transparent / better / worse in that regard vs HE500 I can't really conclude. I guess I'll leave it to Frank or Edwood to have a say on this.


Edited by jerg - 3/27/14 at 9:39pm
post #282 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

 

I took an earpad off though, looks to be a fair bit of changes to the mounting ring as well as the driver baffle ring, and the driver is indeed single-ended with the magnets on the outer face (much like HE4).

 

 

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I think I'm gonna take a driver out of the cup from the earpad side, since I can't take the grills off. Photo in abit...

 

Edit:

 

 

So 8 bars of magnets on a single side, the grid pattern looks the same as what's used on HE500/6. The screws are not screwed into wood but into a hidden metal ring.



There's definitely more surface area on the diaphragm compared to the HE4. More magnet arrays as well. As light as the HE4 now, I wonder how much weight the headband would shave. Possibly get the HE4 down to 310-320 grams?

 

post #283 of 17297
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Thanks for the impressions Jerg. :beerchug: Your description makes me think the 560 is the winner I was expecting from Hifiman. Love that they went for netural and comfort.

 

The only thing I'm wondering is if it's more resolving than the HE-500 (more resolving of micro-details i.e. transparency)

That would be my question as well.

post #284 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

To me it sounds like it rolls off a bit faster than HE500 (starts sliding down around 30 Hz, rather than HE500 where it doesn't happen until 24 Hz or so) but is cleaner / has less harmonic distortion. Seems like HE6 is still king.
Hooray!!!
post #285 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I can't judge transparency half as well as transients (or are they two sides of the same coin?). These are transparent, just how transparent / better / worse in that regard vs HE500 I can't really conclude. I guess I'll leave it to Frank or Edwood to have a say on this.


Thanks Jerg. I would say transient response is what causes transparency (the transfer of low level detail by quick diaphram movement), so yeah in my mind they're the same thing. I'm guessing by your reaction that the 560 is indeed a bit more transparent than the HE-500, which is good news.

 

Looks like Fang really delivered with this one. I guess the only thing that I'm dissapointed by is that it's just as inefficient as the HE-500. I was hoping it would be considerably easier to drive like the HE-400. Oh well, at least we have the HE-400i coming.

 

Also, I find it weird that the magnets are on the outer side rather than the inner to prevent reflections (Abyss). I guess there must be technical reasons Fang is doing this I can't fathom as a non-engineer.


Edited by M-13 - 3/27/14 at 10:53pm
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