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As I understand it, HFM is making the final revisions/changes (baffle, yoke, and other undisclosed improvements) before sending the HE-560 to dealers.. so those of use who ordered through a dealer (and haven't received their HE-560 yet) should get the latest/finished product.

post #2537 of 17297
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It could also well be that the resolving power of the 560 show the defect of the Sabre sound, in which case the culprit is the DAC and not the headphone.

There is no defect in DAC ship, whatever the chip is, for recent ones at least. the only defect one can find, is in the manner of making it work....

post #2538 of 17297
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

 

The points I've highlighted raise a small degree of concern to me. The bass will be probably fine with the retail version. The treble tizz/sibilance though does worry me a bit.

What was the setup you used? DAC and amp please.

 

Asgard2/Uberfrost.

 

You shouldn't be too worried about the treble of the HE-560, it's smoother than 9/10 headphones on the market.  I ran the gamut on it and played even hotly mastered pop songs and indie rock songs through it as well, and those were the worst offenders.

post #2539 of 17297
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Originally Posted by teiki arii View Post

There is no defect in DAC ship, whatever the chip is, for recent ones at least. the only defect one can find, is in the manner of making it work....
the sigma delta chips work by modulating noise in high frequencies. This creates noise floor modulation that can be perceived as hardness. Some SD-chip are easier to implement than others.
post #2540 of 17297
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

 

Asgard2/Uberfrost.

 

You shouldn't be too worried about the treble of the HE-560, it's smoother than 9/10 headphones on the market.  I ran the gamut on it and played even hotly mastered pop songs and indie rock songs through it as well, and those were the worst offenders.

Based on an Asgard2/Uberfrost, I'd mostly agree with TMRaven on his assessment in post #2520 (though I might interpret the specific frequencies a bit differently). I also have this amp.

 

That said, we should consider that the amp could be causing this, maybe not the 560. The Asgard is rated at 1 Watt @ 32 Ohms. 560 is 35 ohms, so it's a skoosh (technical term) less than a watt. It was observed earlier in this thread (by Jerg??) that the 560s want 1-2 watts. So perhaps the amp is being driven a bit harder than it should. 

 

My own experience bears that out. I heard similar problems and decided to try upgrading to a Lyr, substantially more power. The stock tubes are still burning in, so I can't make a complete assessment. However, the upper frequency problems have vanished. We'll see in about a week. I'm guessing I'll want tubes that bring out more details. The GEs might be a bit too silky to my tastes.

 

BTW - I'm usually using a Meridian Explorer as the DAC. I know, maybe not up to speed with the rest of the pieces, but it's for my work setup where space is at a premium. I've also hooked up the Asgard to a DacMagic Plus with the same result.


Edited by rwelles - 5/17/14 at 6:27pm
post #2541 of 17297

Where did Jerg say that this headphone wants 1-2 watts?  That sounds strange.

post #2542 of 17297
And Asgard 2 puts 1 W RMS still @ 50 ohms, which should be plenty loud.
post #2543 of 17297
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Originally Posted by rwelles View Post
 

Based on an Asgard2/Uberfrost, I'd mostly agree with TMRaven on his assessment in post #2520 (though I might interpret the specific frequencies a bit differently). I also have this amp.

 

That said, we should consider that the amp could be causing this, maybe not the 560. The Asgard is rated at 1 Watt @ 32 Ohms. 560 is 35 ohms, so it's a skoosh (technical term) less than a watt. It was observed earlier in this thread (by Jerg??) that the 560s want 1-2 watts. So perhaps the amp is being driven a bit harder than it should. 

 

My own experience bears that out. I heard similar problems and decided to try upgrading to a Lyr, substantially more power. The stock tubes are still burning in, so I can't make a complete assessment. However, the upper frequency problems have vanished. We'll see in about a week. I'm guessing I'll want tubes that bring out more details. The GEs might be a bit too silky to my tastes.

 

BTW - I'm usually using a Meridian Explorer as the DAC. I know, maybe not up to speed with the rest of the pieces, but it's for my work setup where space is at a premium. I've also hooked up the Asgard to a DacMagic Plus with the same result.

 

The lyr seems like it might be a really nice choice for the 560. As far as tubes go, I think that you're looking for German tubes called Telefunkens...mid 60's.. 

post #2544 of 17297
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Originally Posted by rwelles View Post
 

Based on an Asgard2/Uberfrost, I'd mostly agree with TMRaven on his assessment in post #2520 (though I might interpret the specific frequencies a bit differently). I also have this amp.

 

That said, we should consider that the amp could be causing this, maybe not the 560. The Asgard is rated at 1 Watt @ 32 Ohms. 560 is 35 ohms, so it's a skoosh (technical term) less than a watt. It was observed earlier in this thread (by Jerg??) that the 560s want 1-2 watts. So perhaps the amp is being driven a bit harder than it should. 

 

My own experience bears that out. I heard similar problems and decided to try upgrading to a Lyr, substantially more power. The stock tubes are still burning in, so I can't make a complete assessment. However, the upper frequency problems have vanished. We'll see in about a week. I'm guessing I'll want tubes that bring out more details. The GEs might be a bit too silky to my tastes.

 

BTW - I'm usually using a Meridian Explorer as the DAC. I know, maybe not up to speed with the rest of the pieces, but it's for my work setup where space is at a premium. I've also hooked up the Asgard to a DacMagic Plus with the same result.

 

Give the GEs at least 50 hours, but some will say at least 100 hours.  I didn't even use mine until I'd rolled 10 or more pairs.  At first they sounded like crap, but sure enough, they burned in very nicely, exhibiting some excellent bass slam.  Not the most refined, but certainly solid for stock tubes.  You want some fun, find a pair of '60s era Siemens 6922s or CCas.  I've just been listening to the HE-500s with '69 CCas and it's a great combo.  And this was with some English psychedelic garage rock, some of which is seriously lo-fi.  1968 Tesla 6922s are a good budget tube, too.  Wish I had some Telefunkens to roll.

 

To keep it on topic, I can't wait to hear said tubes with the HE-560s :darthsmile: 

post #2545 of 17297
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Where did Jerg say that this headphone wants 1-2 watts?  That sounds strange.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Rem0o View Post
And Asgard 2 puts 1 W RMS still @ 50 ohms, which should be plenty loud.

Okay, I could be completely haywire about the power requirements. That was from memory, and I was too lazy to review +2500 posts to cite it. I confess!

 

As to the Asgard2 getting plenty loud, yes it does! But I was referring to quality, not quantity.

post #2546 of 17297
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Give the GEs at least 50 hours, but some will say at least 100 hours.  I didn't even use mine until I'd rolled 10 or more pairs.  At first they sounded like crap, but sure enough, they burned in very nicely, exhibiting some excellent bass slam.  Not the most refined, but certainly solid for stock tubes.  You want some fun, find a pair of '60s era Siemens 6922s or CCas.  I've just been listening to the HE-500s with '69 CCas and it's a great combo.  And this was with some English psychedelic garage rock, some of which is seriously lo-fi.  1968 Tesla 6922s are a good budget tube, too.  Wish I had some Telefunkens to roll.

 

To keep it on topic, I can't wait to hear said tubes with the HE-560s :darthsmile: 

Thanks!! I'll wait a couple of weeks before making judgement. By then (fingers crossed), we may have the "final" 560 wrapped around our heads. If I'm still not satisfied, I'll look into your suggestion. 

post #2547 of 17297

I have been letting the 560's get many hours on them, and to my ear, they change with time and keep improving. I have some pretty good headphones but I got to say, these are some of the best, if not the best headphones I have ever heard. They convey the emotion and vibrancy of real music and you can't get much closer to real than sounding real. Excellent stuff!! 

post #2548 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I have been letting the 560's get many hours on them, and to my ear, they change with time and keep improving. I have some pretty good headphones but I got to say, these are some of the best, if not the best headphones I have ever heard. They convey the emotion and vibrancy of real music and you can't get much closer to real than sounding real. Excellent stuff!! 

How do you compare this to the TH 900 in terms of overall music presentation, especially in terms of conveyance of emotion ?

 

Thanks

post #2549 of 17297

Dear HFM,

Some update please.

Best regards,

An :rolleyes:

post #2550 of 17297
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

I have been letting the 560's get many hours on them, and to my ear, they change with time and keep improving. I have some pretty good headphones but I got to say, these are some of the best, if not the best headphones I have ever heard. They convey the emotion and vibrancy of real music and you can't get much closer to real than sounding real. Excellent stuff!! 

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

How do you compare this to the TH 900 in terms of overall music presentation, especially in terms of conveyance of emotion ?

Thanks

kinda late to the he-560 threads - been distracted by the pm-1. interested in how the th900 compares to the he-560 as well in areas like frequency extension and overall balance, resolution, imaging, soundstage and dynamics/impact. thx
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