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post #1846 of 9804

Thanks for your answer stjj89, it seems that I'm now in the exact same situation that you were in not long ago then: upgrading from a HE-400 to a HE-560 or a LCD-2.

 

I've read Jerg's LCD-3 vs HE-560 comparison and like yours I thought it was rather to the disadvantage of the Audeze headphones. I've noted your point on the fact that it could be due to the source and amplification though.

 

So, how are you liking the upgrade? Are you feeling that it was absolutely worth it? A big step up compared to the HE-400? I've read your (excellent) review and it looks like it is but you didn't really compared it to the HE-400 so it's hard to know.

 

Thanks again!


Edited by LunarBear - 5/4/14 at 7:07am
post #1847 of 9804
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Are they? I absolutely respect your opinion -especially since I've never tried the LCD-2 (I know it's a shame but I can't where I live)- but that's not really the feeling I've had reading and digesting many reviews/opinions on the HE400/HE500 and the Audeze. I'm also pretty suprised that diminishing returns already kick in, I thought they would on higher-end headphones, but HE-400 are still pretty low/mid tier compared to the LCD-2 which are often compared to the Stax and other ultra high end cans. 

 

Still, it's not really the matter at hand, I'm more interested in a LCD-2 / HE-560 comparison right now :)

 

 

Well also keep in mind that frequent use of hyperbole runs rampant on head-fi, sometimes for the sake of comparison but sometimes for the sake of hyperbole itself.  Also note that diminishing returns start to kick in right after the very first lowest bracket of headphones (things like M50, SR-60 etc.)  Also keep in mind that a lot of the 'mid tier' headphones of today used to be companies' flagships back in the day.  Case-and-point, the HD650, DT880, AKG701 are all around 300-400 dollars, but were the best in the world not too long ago.  If audio technology advanced at the rate of computer electronics we'd be talking about an entirely different ballgame, but that's just not the case here.

 

Anyways, for the sake of being a realist, I will stick by my opinion that HE-400 to LCD2 is a marginal upgrade unless you just plain love the sound signature difference when moving to the LCD2.  Treating both for their merits however, the LCD2 is not miles ahead.  Audeze still suffers quality control problems so you wouldn't even know if the LCD2 would be as good as it could be or not (which also might play into my impressions of the particular LCD2 I had extended time with)

post #1848 of 9804

I can't wait to compare it to my HE-400, LCD-2 and HE-500 myself. Tomorrow! :cool:

post #1849 of 9804

Thanks for your input TMRaven, and it's very true indeed that hyperbole is everywhere on head-fi and in the Hifi business in general. I will keep that in mind, and I appreciate your opinion on the HE-400 vs LCD-2 debate. I'm not very active on head-fi but if I'm remember well you were one of the guy that made me buy the HE-400 (not directly, but reading your opinion about them), and I'm grateful for it.

 

Ultrainferno, I'm eagerly looking forward to your comparison! Considering the headphones you own it's precisely what I was looking for!

post #1850 of 9804
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I can't wait to compare it to my HE-400, LCD-2 and HE-500 myself. Tomorrow! cool.gif
Looking forward to knowing your comparisons with HE-500.
post #1851 of 9804
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How do vocals compare on these phones.  I listen a lot to folk and Broadway -- and some opera.

Vocal-wise I find all of them to be special in their own ways (add my modded HE500 in too); none of these headphones have issues rendering vocals extremely well, just in different flavours. Other types of music tend to show their individual traits more clearly, and that's what I used for the comparisons yesterday.

 

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Is the velour stitched over pleather at the ear contact rim or is it just sponge under the velour ear trim ?

It's not stitched over, the sponge/foam is directly under the velour topcover; that's part of why it is so soft.

post #1852 of 9804

thanks for the reviews guys and jerg for the comparison.  When i get my mountain bike paid off i will most likely be purchasing a pair of the 560's if the detail really is on par with the lcd-3.   but i'll need to listen first and for one minor thing that could POSSIBLY be off putting to me.  sometimes when a headphone is super detailed when the headphone throws out those minute details it also shows the headphone true tonal characteristics.  With the lcd-3 the softish organic nature was pleasing to me and in the highs when the minute details showed i was greeted with what was very comforting details and microdynamics.  The lcd-3 always sounded real to me despite just a hair of softness. The new x models rid of the hair softness and to me just that little bit of edge made me feel that they didn't sound as organic. almost like the attack to decay was more of a sharp cut off instead of rounded.

post #1853 of 9804
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For the lucky few that tried both the LCD2 and the HE560, in your opinion which one has the "best" bass (ie which one do you prefer). Yes, I really care about bass smily_headphones1.gif
I own a pair of HE400 (with Jergpads smily_headphones1.gif) that I really enjoy (mostly listening to EDM) and I was supposed to upgrade to a LCD-2 in the next few days, but you're starting to make me question my choice...

Have a listen to v moda m100 if you care about edm.wink.gif
post #1854 of 9804
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Are they? I absolutely respect your opinion -especially since I've never tried the LCD-2 (I know it's a shame but I can't where I live)- but that's not really the feeling I've had reading and digesting many reviews/opinions on the HE400/HE500 and the Audeze. I'm also pretty suprised that diminishing returns already kick in, I thought they would on higher-end headphones, but HE-400 are still pretty low/mid tier compared to the LCD-2 which are often compared to the Stax and other ultra high end cans. 

 

FWIW, I couldn't tolerate the grating treble of the HE-400 (a major flaw presumably responsible for their cheap price since they are otherwise very nice) - and I'm pretty tolerant of treble-centric phones (I actually enjoy the Sony SA5K and use my EX1000 IEMs every day)...  The post suggesting the LCD2's bass is loose and lacking impact is the polar opposite of what I've experienced.  That said, I still think the Stax O2mk1 for example is in a different leage (I don't own a pair but have spent some time with them).

 

Drew


Edited by drews - 5/4/14 at 12:30pm
post #1855 of 9804
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Originally Posted by LunarBear View Post

For the lucky few that tried both the LCD2 and the HE560, in your opinion which one has the "best" bass (ie which one do you prefer). Yes, I really care about bass smily_headphones1.gif
I own a pair of HE400 (with Jergpads smily_headphones1.gif) that I really enjoy (mostly listening to EDM) and I was supposed to upgrade to a LCD-2 in the next few days, but you're starting to make me question my choice...

Have a listen to v moda m100 if you care about edm.wink.gif

Or Denon ah-d600... :thumbup:
post #1856 of 9804
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Originally Posted by LunarBear View Post

 

So, how are you liking the upgrade? Are you feeling that it was absolutely worth it? A big step up compared to the HE-400? I've read your (excellent) review and it looks like it is but you didn't really compared it to the HE-400 so it's hard to know.

 

I actually sold off my HE-400 a few months ago and have been using my woodied Grado SR60i since then, so I can't say the memory of my HE-400 is as fresh as I would like it to be. I was very happy with the bass on my HE-400, but the slightly recessed vocals nagged me a little. I also realized after auditioning other headphones that the HE-400 sounded a little unnatural with its emphasized treble and bass. I am finding nothing lacking on my HE-560 right now, and that is perhaps the most noticeable improvement for me over the HE-400. This is actually a big deal for me, since I have always found something wanting in all the other headphones I have auditioned over the past few months (bass quantity for the Alpha Dogs, excitement for the HD800, treble sparkle and bass control for the LCD-2, soundstage for the Mad Dogs). I probably just found precisely the sound signature I was looking for with these, so take my satisfaction here with a pinch of salt.

 

If I was to be really nitpicky, the two things I wish were ever slightly better in the HE-560 are the mids (I would appreciate a slightly more forward, lush midrange) and the soundstage size (I wish it was even bigger). However, I imagine I might find improvements in both these departments after upgrading to a different, better amp. I would not sacrifice the tonal balance and the other good qualities of the HE-560 for either of these improvements. I am already very satisfied with running the HE-560 right out of my Aune T1, so I guess it can only get better from here.

 

I hope this helps! Also, it might not hurt to just order the HE-560 from HiFiMAN, try them out, and return them within the first 30 days under Head-Direct's refund policy if they aren't right for you. I'm not sure if Audeze itself or its dealers have a similar policy, but I don't think two way shipping is too much to pay to figure out if a headphone of this price is a good fit for you :)

post #1857 of 9804

I find the LCD 2 a bit more of a euphonic headphone compared to the 560. I find the 560 truer to the music, when comparing to everything else I have to get a balance on the sound impression. The excitement is still there with the 560, which says a lot since I also find them fairly flat on the frequency. The comfort, no comparison; on that the 560 is far ahead. This is my impression after many ours of listening and having heard many different types of music and different types of headphones, which I do to try and maintain my balance on overall sound and presentation. 

post #1858 of 9804
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They're only miles ahead of the HE-400 if you like a more linear type of sound signature.  They will have far more present upper midrange, and a more in-line treble, although it's still a little recessed.  

Irregardless of signature, they're only a marginal upgrade from the HE-400.  Diminishing returns really kick in.

I'm surprised no one gave u slack for that. I agree though. If anyone wants to experience diminishing returns then upgrading from the he-400 is the way to go.

Despite my gripes of it I can't think of a better price to performance can out there.
post #1859 of 9804

Thanks for all the answers.

 

stjj89 unfortunately I live in France, and there are few Hifiman and Audeze resellers here. None of the Hifiman resellers I know have the HE-560 in stock or even in preorder, and I think it would be too much of a hassle to buy them on Head Direct and send it back to them oversea if I don't like them.

 

There are even less Audeze resellers in France and they are extremely overpriced (1,290 EUR for the Rosewood LCD-2, which would be 1,790 USD).

 

I bought my HE-400 on Head Direct during the last Black Friday sales and I was lucky not to have any custom fees, but I don't know if I'll be as lucky next time.

 

Thanks again for your input, though.

 

jamato8, thank you for your impressions too. Interesting point on the comfort difference between the HE-560 and the LCD-2, which is pretty important to me.


Edited by LunarBear - 5/4/14 at 10:44am
post #1860 of 9804
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Originally Posted by LunarBear View Post
 

Thanks for all the answers.

 

stjj89 unfortunately I live in France, and there are few Hifiman and Audeze resellers here. None of the Hifiman resellers I know have the HE-560 in stock or even in preorder, and I think it would be too much of a hassle to buy them on Head Direct and send it back to them oversea if I don't like them.

 

There are even less Audeze resellers in France and they are extremely overpriced (1,290 EUR for the Rosewood LCD-2, which would be 1,790 USD).

 

I bought my HE-400 on Head Direct during the last Black Friday sales and I was lucky not to have any custom fees, but I don't know if I'll be as lucky next time.

 

Thanks again for your input, though.

 

jamato8, thank you for your impressions too. Interesting point on the comfort difference between the HE-560 and the LCD-2, which is pretty important to me.

 

http://www.audiophonics.fr/hifiman-he400i-casque-audiophile-haute-sensibilite-94db-p-8676.html

 

http://www.audiophonics.fr/hifiman-he560-casque-audiophile-orthodynamique-90db-p-8675.html

 

HifiMan 400i/560 available for pre-order in France there. They are in Bordeaux as far as I know. They're pretty expensive though.


Edited by elmoe - 5/4/14 at 11:23am
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