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post #166 of 8215
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HE560 sounds airier but I think solely on the merit of its better upper treble extension. My uber-HE500s sound quite open too but not as airy.

post #167 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

They are pretty amazing TBH, the foam is really soft (much softer than pleather / velour foam), decently thick too but I don't think it's too thick. The two main features that draw parallels to my earpad mod are 1. velour tops, and 2. internal damping (they used a permeable meshy fabric, instead of what I did which is lots of holes cut up on the impermeable material of the old pads).

 

There is also a slight ~10 degree angling to the pads, which is much-needed I think. Funnily enough I also created some angling on my Modulor Jergpads, but I never documented it past a post and a photo.

So are you noticing any soundstage improvements?

post #168 of 8215
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

So are you noticing any soundstage improvements?

I refuse to say anything about soundstage for now lol, because I know almost for certain that I would change my mind about it a day from now, maybe a few days from now. It's very hard for me to gauge.

 

A related trait though, 3D imaging, now that is substantially better on the HE560. The spatial placement of sources of sound is quite difficult for me with my HE500 (everything sounds a tad diffused/ethereal), with the HE560 things are pinpoint localized.

 

Instrument separation is pretty similar, both excel in that trait.

post #169 of 8215

Balanced is going to be louder, more gain and more power. 

 

So do they come with a balanced adapter? 

 

I should have mine tomorrow, here in the bush of Alaska. 

post #170 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Balanced is going to be louder, more gain and more power. 

 

So do they come with a balanced adapter? 

 

I should have mine tomorrow, here in the bush of Alaska. 

Like I said though, EF6's XLR out is imbalanced. And nah they come with this new cable that Hifiman is calling a single-crystal copper/silver hybrid cable, with a 3.5mm termination and a 3.5->6.5mm adapter. I don't really dig the whole cable thing so it doesn't do anything for me.


Edited by jerg - 3/27/14 at 1:28pm
post #171 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I refuse to say anything about soundstage for now lol, because I know almost for certain that I would change my mind about it a day from now, maybe a few days from now. It's very hard for me to gauge.

 

A related trait though, 3D imaging, now that is substantially better on the HE560. The spatial placement of sources of sound is quite difficult for me with my HE500 (everything sounds a tad diffused/ethereal), with the HE560 things are pinpoint localized.

 

Excellent. With the exception of the HE-6 (which itself holds no candle to the HD 800) I found imaging and placement dissapointing with planars. Their best strength was depth to me.

post #172 of 8215

Jerg, do you think that with modern pop music which is usually mastered bright, that these headphones might sound harsh as a result of their extended treble?

post #173 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I refuse to say anything about soundstage for now lol, because I know almost for certain that I would change my mind about it a day from now, maybe a few days from now. It's very hard for me to gauge.

 

A related trait though, 3D imaging, now that is substantially better on the HE560. The spatial placement of sources of sound is quite difficult for me with my HE500 (everything sounds a tad diffused/ethereal), with the HE560 things are pinpoint localized.

 

Instrument separation is pretty similar, both excel in that trait.

More than I expected :]

Thanks, the imaging is really important and great to hear that it's improved.

 

Regarding the bass for the last time, would you say it's flat down to sub-bass or is there a roll-off at the <30hz frequencies [HE-6 rolled off pretty steeply there, eliminating a big part of that]

I am expecting a roll-off there as it's usually necessary to achieve a very tight bass, though there are headphones that do both [AKG K612 Pro has IMO the most even bass I've heard so far, extends deep to the sub-bass but is still very tight when needed, no emphasis anywhere]

 

Thanks!

post #174 of 8215
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post
 

Jerg, do you think that with modern pop music which is usually mastered bright, that these headphones might sound harsh as a result of their extended treble?

This degree of neutrality and treble extension probably doesn't mesh too well with poorly mastered popular music. I can find a few tracks and test them now.

post #175 of 8215
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

More than I expected :]

Thanks, the imaging is really important and great to hear that it's improved.

 

Regarding the bass for the last time, would you say it's flat down to sub-bass or is there a roll-off at the <30hz frequencies [HE-6 rolled off pretty steeply there, eliminating a big part of that]

I am expecting a roll-off there as it's usually necessary to achieve a very tight bass, though there are headphones that do both [AKG K612 Pro has IMO the most even bass I've heard so far, extends deep to the sub-bass but is still very tight when needed, no emphasis anywhere]

 

Thanks!

Yeah the roll-off past 30 Hz is substantial, about the same as my HE500s.

post #176 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

This degree of neutrality and treble extension probably doesn't mesh too well with poorly mastered popular music. I can find a few tracks and test them now.

 

Yeah that's something I feared. I have a lot of pop/dance tracks and neutral headphones may not pair too well. I'm now more eager than ever to hear about the HE-400i's sound signature. 

 

Looking forward to more impressions...

post #177 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Yeah the roll-off past 30 Hz is substantial, about the same as my HE500s.

Ok, thanks. Oh, well... hope the bass won't be disappointing. As long as there's some impact to it, it should be fine, though I'd love for it to go all the way down...

Thanks for answering all my questions!

I'll sit down and leave place for others now, patiently waiting for the impressions :D

Hopefully other questions won't cross my mind [who am I kidding?]

 

:popcorn:

post #178 of 8215
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

They are pretty amazing TBH, the foam is really soft (much softer than pleather / velour foam), decently thick too but I don't think it's too thick. The two main features that draw parallels to my earpad mod are 1. velour tops, and 2. internal damping (they used a permeable meshy fabric, instead of what I did which is lots of holes cut up on the impermeable material of the old pads).

 

There is also a slight ~10 degree angling to the pads, which is much-needed I think. Funnily enough I also created some angling on my Modulor Jergpads, but I never documented it past a post and a photo.

 

Sweeet.  Sounds like these are going to cost a bit (maybe a lot) more than $10 once they are available in the hifiman online store but looks like it'll be worth the extra cost.

post #179 of 8215
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Now that the frenzy of questions have died down a bit, I can finally start typing up parts of the first post lol.

post #180 of 8215
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Originally Posted by nixkid View Post
 

 

Sweeet.  Sounds like these are going to cost a bit (maybe a lot) more than $10 once they are available in the hifiman online store but looks like it'll be worth the extra cost.

HiFiMAN did say that they won't break the bank... So let's hope :D

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