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+1.  That's quite a statement Bill, and I know where you're coming from.  I'm going ga-ga over a different headphone at the moment, but my time with the 560's did impress the heck out of me.

 

Well, I don't mean to state anything... but I really have listened to a lot of high-end headphones, got impressed by the JPS Labs Abyss, and still... somehow I feel the HE-560 is the best headphone I have heard to date.

 

It keeps scaling up with higher quality components in the signal path, too. This is the first headphone I have put on my head that can reliably demonstrate the differences between DACs for me. That's how I am able to tell my Neko Audio D100 Mk.II is significantly better than the AMB Gamma2. It's not even a subtle difference. It's almost like night and day.

 

If one day I get the chance, I'll definitely have you listen to my HE-560 rig, and then you'll understand why I've been praising the HE-560 non-stop.

 

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With my current setup, I actually like the HE-560 better than the LCD 2F.

 

I was of a similar opinion when I heard the LCD-2 recently.

 

Prior to the HE-560, I thought it would have been my end-game, but now that I am accustomed to the HE-560, the LCD-2 suddenly feels... "behind" in a lot of aspects.

post #10442 of 10455

My best source for these cans is my HRT Microstreamer (as a DAC).  What are people using here and would I have to spend lots to get much better than this?

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post
 

 

Well, I don't mean to state anything... but I really have listened to a lot of high-end headphones, got impressed by the JPS Labs Abyss, and still... somehow I feel the HE-560 is the best headphone I have heard to date.

 

It keeps scaling up with higher quality components in the signal path, too. This is the first headphone I have put on my head that can reliably demonstrate the differences between DACs for me. That's how I am able to tell my Neko Audio D100 Mk.II is significantly better than the AMB Gamma2. It's not even a subtle difference. It's almost like night and day.

 

If one day I get the chance, I'll definitely have you listen to my HE-560 rig, and then you'll understand why I've been praising the HE-560 non-stop.

 

 

I was of a similar opinion when I heard the LCD-2 recently.

 

Prior to the HE-560, I thought it would have been my end-game, but now that I am accustomed to the HE-560, the LCD-2 suddenly feels... "behind" in a lot of aspects.


Bill, we plan on retiring in the Monterey area in 5 years, and I'll take you up on that.  I'll bring my Primes, and we can do a delightful comparison.  If we visit in the next few years, I'll let you know so we can meet-up.

 

I assume your Neko is balanced.  I totally forgot about them, as I'm kicking around the idea of trying DAC's.

post #10444 of 10455

There's CanJam 2015 coming up in the LA area, and I'm attending.

 

I think it'll be the biggest gathering of gears since... ever, so there'll be some good comparisons to be done.

 

Hope you can attend, too.

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Comparison of the two would seemingly be great but at the same time, to me, they offer different flavors. The prime having much more depth, separation and cleanliness while the 560 has a great musical timbre for most genres, perfect balance of substance weight , focus that puts everything in one coherent plane . both, very musical. One thing I will say about the both of them is that regardless of price, you probably won't find your self gritting your teeth about how it does something wrong and regretting your purchase when comparing to other headphones in the price range.
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I'd think the HE-560 would be much more depth, separation and clean than the Prime if driven properly...

 

Unless somehow the Prime has a much bigger soundstage than the Alpha Dog, which I don't think is likely with the driver tech.

 

Then again, I haven't heard it, so I honestly have no idea. I do know, though, that my HE-560 offers not just superior timbre, but also a much better sense of space, separation, depth, and precision into the music than any other system I have heard.

 

Even my desktop monitors are unable to recreate the same depth and soundstage.

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post
 

I'd think the HE-560 would be much more depth, separation and clean than the Prime if driven properly...

 

Unless somehow the Prime has a much bigger soundstage than the Alpha Dog, which I don't think is likely with the driver tech.

 

Then again, I haven't heard it, so I honestly have no idea. I do know, though, that my HE-560 offers not just superior timbre, but also a much better sense of space, separation, depth, and precision into the music than any other system I have heard.

 

Even my desktop monitors are unable to recreate the same depth and soundstage.

I had the he-560 for two weeks, and now have the primes (granted only a couple hours so far, just arrived today). and I have to say the previous statement comparing them definitely feels very accurate. to me. the he-560 definitely has the winning edge when it comes to wood instruments, esp string ones, and its a bit smoother (although with the prime it comes with tuning dots, so technically it can be smoothed out a bit too from stock), but otherwise the he-560 to me was a bit closer to an hd800 without the brightness or sibilance in overall sound. like a more neutral hd800, having all te positive traits of being like that, and the negative like thinner sound, slight, very slight brightness, punchy but not so full sound.

the prime on the other hand is much more like taking an audeze headphone and trying to make it sound perfectly neutral. its much more full sounding than the he-560, more bass, sharper treble in stock config (can cause slight sibilance, but again only been 2 hours so far, and theres tuning dots to help), mids are pretty close to each other though. but the primes definitely have the better soundstage and imaging, by far. the he-560 had slightly larger width, but it had pretty sub par depth to me, and wasnt really 3d holographic. The primes honestly remind me of how the hd800 sounded on my system for soundstage, obv the hd800 still wins hands down, but out of the he-560, lcd-2, primes, and hd800, the primes come second in soundstage, then he-560, then lcd-2. I have no clue what magic has been done to the driver to create this, but it pulls it off, and is somehow even more isolating than the alpha dogs.

 

Ultimately for me, I gave up on the he-560 mainly for comfort (ear pads just too small for me ears), and for the slightly bright/thinner sound than I would like. The primes hit that sweet spot for me much better though, just in a different flavor. so its purely personal preference. think of the primes as a super neutral and detailed audeze, and he-560 as a neutral hd800. as a rough idea of what they're trying to sound like.

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At the recent NYC meet I have tried Alpha Prime and HE-560 with all mods except minor change Jerg made after posting his guide driven by new modular LIO Dac/Amp with 4 pin XLR out and Prime clearly had better clarity and details retrieval as well as bass depth over HE-560, the cello on the test track sounded so live and natural with each string clearly separated .
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I had the he-560 for two weeks, and now have the primes (granted only a couple hours so far, just arrived today). and I have to say the previous statement comparing them definitely feels very accurate. to me. the he-560 definitely has the winning edge when it comes to wood instruments, esp string ones, and its a bit smoother (although with the prime it comes with tuning dots, so technically it can be smoothed out a bit too from stock), but otherwise the he-560 to me was a bit closer to an hd800 without the brightness or sibilance in overall sound. like a more neutral hd800, having all te positive traits of being like that, and the negative like thinner sound, slight, very slight brightness, punchy but not so full sound.


the prime on the other hand is much more like taking an audeze headphone and trying to make it sound perfectly neutral. its much more full sounding than the he-560, more bass, sharper treble in stock config (can cause slight sibilance, but again only been 2 hours so far, and theres tuning dots to help), mids are pretty close to each other though. but the primes definitely have the better soundstage and imaging, by far. the he-560 had slightly larger width, but it had pretty sub par depth to me, and wasnt really 3d holographic. The primes honestly remind me of how the hd800 sounded on my system for soundstage, obv the hd800 still wins hands down, but out of the he-560, lcd-2, primes, and hd800, the primes come second in soundstage, then he-560, then lcd-2. I have no clue what magic has been done to the driver to create this, but it pulls it off, and is somehow even more isolating than the alpha dogs.

Ultimately for me, I gave up on the he-560 mainly for comfort (ear pads just too small for me ears), and for the slightly bright/thinner sound than I would like. The primes hit that sweet spot for me much better though, just in a different flavor. so its purely personal preference. think of the primes as a super neutral and detailed audeze, and he-560 as a neutral hd800. as a rough idea of what they're trying to sound like.
omg you basically just did what I couldn't do with the kids running around and family nagging left and right on how to make a perfect turkey lol. I tried and tried and tried. Granted I tried to be as conservative as can be but you just nailed it on the spot. So much that my love for your comment brings heavy amounts of envy. So much that I'm actually confused as to how you did it lol. I'm pretty sure you're my Guardian angel or at least a headphone national treasurer. The audysseys explanation really confuses me for the simple fact that I wrote about the same thing probably twenty times but refrained from pushing my thoughts to others in the thought that I might be wrong.
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omg you basically just did what I couldn't do with the kids running around and family nagging left and right on how to make a perfect turkey lol. I tried and tried and tried. Granted I tried to be as conservative as can be but you just nailed it on the spot. So much that my love for your comment brings heavy amounts of envy. So much that I'm actually confused as to how you did it lol. I'm pretty sure you're my Guardian angel or at least a headphone national treasurer. The audysseys explanation really confuses me for the simple fact that I wrote about the same thing probably twenty times but refrained from pushing my thoughts to others in the thought that I might be wrong.

Same here. The words were like they were pulled from my thoughts!
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Anyone tried Audeze pads on their HE-560?

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Anyone tried Audeze pads on their HE-560?

 

Not yet ;)

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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 


Anyone tried Audeze pads on their HE-560?

 

Not yet ;)

 

I've got the black microsuede sitting here, with spare adhesive rings.  I would think these would possibly be better than the LCD 2F leather.  I may check it out, although there is nothing wrong with the fit or sound of the stock pads on my HD-560.  The Audeze microsuede pads are softer and thicker though, was just hoping someone else has tried this.  @Oregonian has leather Audeze pads on his HE-6!


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I've got the black microsuede sitting here, with spare adhesive rings.  I would think these would possibly be better than the LCD 2F leather.  I may check it out, although there is nothing wrong with the fit or sound of the stock pads on my HD-560.  The Audeze microsuede pads are softer and thicker though, was just hoping someone else has tried this.  @Oregonian has leather Audeze pads on his HE-6!

Haven't tried Audeze pads with HE560 yet, but I did try LCD3 pads on HE500s years ago, and it seemed as though the increase in distance between the ears and the drivers made the midrange withdraw noticeably. It may have similar effects with HE560, but no way to tell unless it's actually tested I guess.

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Originally Posted by saxelrod92 View Post
 

I had the he-560 for two weeks, and now have the primes (granted only a couple hours so far, just arrived today). and I have to say the previous statement comparing them definitely feels very accurate. to me. the he-560 definitely has the winning edge when it comes to wood instruments, esp string ones, and its a bit smoother (although with the prime it comes with tuning dots, so technically it can be smoothed out a bit too from stock), but otherwise the he-560 to me was a bit closer to an hd800 without the brightness or sibilance in overall sound. like a more neutral hd800, having all te positive traits of being like that, and the negative like thinner sound, slight, very slight brightness, punchy but not so full sound.

the prime on the other hand is much more like taking an audeze headphone and trying to make it sound perfectly neutral. its much more full sounding than the he-560, more bass, sharper treble in stock config (can cause slight sibilance, but again only been 2 hours so far, and theres tuning dots to help), mids are pretty close to each other though. but the primes definitely have the better soundstage and imaging, by far. the he-560 had slightly larger width, but it had pretty sub par depth to me, and wasnt really 3d holographic. The primes honestly remind me of how the hd800 sounded on my system for soundstage, obv the hd800 still wins hands down, but out of the he-560, lcd-2, primes, and hd800, the primes come second in soundstage, then he-560, then lcd-2. I have no clue what magic has been done to the driver to create this, but it pulls it off, and is somehow even more isolating than the alpha dogs.

 

Ultimately for me, I gave up on the he-560 mainly for comfort (ear pads just too small for me ears), and for the slightly bright/thinner sound than I would like. The primes hit that sweet spot for me much better though, just in a different flavor. so its purely personal preference. think of the primes as a super neutral and detailed audeze, and he-560 as a neutral hd800. as a rough idea of what they're trying to sound like.


Well, this almost makes me think of 2 things...

 

1) More sibilance and less brightness suggests that the Prime has a high frequency peak lower than the HE-560. I'm thinking the 560 is already a bit shy of ideal equal-contour loudness curve (at least for me), so any less than that would just be undue coloration. But I may be wrong on that. Either way, that sounds like a big negative to me.

 

2) Fuller sound and "deeper" bass suggests more sustained bass, which means decay is not happening as fast at bass frequencies, and thus the Prime actually has more bass distortion than the HE-560. This may not be a negative per se, as I'd pretty much like that. However, I'd also say it's not accurate, and can sometimes cause bass to blur. The emphasis at higher frequencies in order to "sharpen" the sound and imaging is probably to counteract the loss in bass definition and precision.

 

That's without looking at the Prime's frequency response graph, but... I'd think that if I were to compare the HE-560 and the Prime side by side, then those would be the things I would notice.

 

More to the point... I'd argue that if the HE-560 was played out of a dark system... (dark DAC, dark amp), then it would probably edge out the Prime, and still provide an effortless, sibilance-free listen. This is exactly what I did to my HE-560 setup. On the other hand, since the headphone doesn't have much excess bass distortion, I could get exactly the right bass body by tuning the analog signal, and it was still tight and extended. I'd argue that this is the better way to get more bass body.

 

Well, to each his own, I guess. But at least now I know it's not just me thinking the HE-560 sounded like an HD800 without the brightness. But a modded HE-560 sounds more like an SR-009 without the brightness... IMO, and that should be a good thing.

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