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post #31 of 123
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Originally Posted by manolo83 View Post
 

hello, Im about to buy one, but im not sure, wich one you guy will recomend for me? Im between the HM-700, The FIIO x5 or the DX50.

 

I have this headphones, they are not the best, but i want to get the best of them... I use them with my galaxy note 2 =(

 

SHURE 535 monitors

DENON  AHD600

Bower Wilkins p5

 

Please help!

Hi! In my opinion you should buy the dx 50 - you've already have great iem's. While in direct comparsions people say that hm-700 is kinda on par with it (that is still questionable, only a few people did this comparsion),  DX 50 still has more features - and you dont have to carry that stupid adapter for unbalanced headphones with you everywhere. But if you dont mind to have another good pair of iems - go for HM-700). Personally I've chosen HM-700 over dx-50 because I've got very tired of my old IEM's - I wanted something new. But really, I didnt expect that these re-400b are sooo good! Expectations exceeded here! And still, regardless of your choice, your note 2 will be humiliated) Oh, just one more thing - DX50 is BIG, and hm is smallthat was important for me


Edited by Dog meat - 4/9/14 at 4:18pm
post #32 of 123
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Hi manolo, 

 

If you are looking for a player to use with your existing headphones, I'd pass on the HM700. It is a great player with RE400/RE600 but it is balanced so you'd need to use the very impractical mini-jack/USB adaptor. Plus, HM700 sounds off with my headphones. I think it was tuned for balanced iems in mind rather than for headphones.

 

I haven't heard the x5 or DX50 so I can't comment. But members who have compared them with Hifiman HM601 say HM601 sounds better. I use to have one and was very happy with it, great sounding player. It sure has plenty of power for your headphones. 

HM601LE (limited Edition) is supposed to have an even better amp section. 

 

If I was in your shoes, I'd go for the HM601LE


Edited by Tympan - 4/9/14 at 4:38pm
post #33 of 123
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Originally Posted by Tympan View Post
 

20-25 hrs is definitely not enough. I usually give my earphones/headphones/speakers a good 150 hrs of burn in to settle.

 

When I bought my balanced amplifier module for the HM801, I remember writing Fang from Hifiman about a potential problem with it because it still sounded off after 150 hrs of burn in. He responded that balanced modules require a lot more time to burn in! Not sure if it was that specific module or if it is balanced equipment in general... but I'd say it took easily 300 hrs to settle nicely.

 

You may also want to make sure you are using lossless .Flac or .wav files (as opposed to .mp3s). The original owner on my MH700 had it loaded with only .mp3s (!) and until I loaded my own files, the sound quality was pretty disappointing. This along with not being burned in enough, I can see why he sold it...

Well, I've got mine with a prerecorded AC/DC greatest hits on it, flac, lol! and when i listened to it for the first time my jaw almost dropped on the floor) I still wonder, was it someone from hifiman in China, who thought "I'll show this unknown mofo the kind of music he should listen on our device"

post #34 of 123
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Originally Posted by Dog meat View Post
 

Well, I've got mine with a prerecorded AC/DC greatest hits on it, flac, lol! and when i listened to it for the first time my jaw almost dropped on the floor) I still wonder, was it someone from hifiman in China, who thought "I'll show this unknown mofo the kind of music he should listen on our device"

Lol! So odd they would choose AC/DC as a demo. Wonder if it was a factory worker's idea or if they all come with it! 


Edited by Tympan - 4/9/14 at 5:15pm
post #35 of 123

I must admit... I'm tempted to pick this up.  I'm debating between snagging this, even tho I'm loving my Fiio X3, or finding a decent sounding comfortable headphone or IEM for classical music.  The two I listen to classical music on have comfort issues currently, Etymotic HF5 and MartinLogan Mikros 90.  I really probably should disregard the HM-700 due to having no balanced IEMs to use with it other than the provided RE-400B, but I have to admit I find it alluring.

post #36 of 123
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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
 

I must admit... I'm tempted to pick this up.  I'm debating between snagging this, even tho I'm loving my Fiio X3, or finding a decent sounding comfortable headphone or IEM for classical music.  The two I listen to classical music on have comfort issues currently, Etymotic HF5 and MartinLogan Mikros 90.  I really probably should disregard the HM-700 due to having no balanced IEMs to use with it other than the provided RE-400B, but I have to admit I find it alluring.

 

It is a tough choice.  I can only speak from HM700 vs X5 perspective since I have both.  If you already invested into unbalanced headphones and not planning to buy anything balanced, X5 will be the way to go.  But keep in mind, X5 is not that portable.  It's more for at home in your hand type of listening.  HM700/RE400B sound will feel like at home for you since you like Ety analytical sound signature.  So, not exactly analytical, RE400B are very revealing with a lot of details.  If you really think about it, as I mentioned before, you are getting $150 HM700 and $99 RE400B.  It's super portable and light weight to slip in your pocket, or to use at the gym or any other activity with included armband.  Btw, on the go during your active lifestyle with HM700, some people don't really pay attention to details of the sound, they just need a rhythm to get them going, so while exercising you can probably use any headphones.  Definitely take all these points into consideration when making a decision. 

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Anyone knows, is there any sign, that says that HM-700 is fully charged? Manual says that a charging mark will be shown on the screen when the player is charged, but I left mine for 4+ hours and - nothing. 

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Anyone knows, is there any sign, that says that HM-700 is fully charged? Manual says that a charging mark will be shown on the screen when the player is charged, but I left mine for 4+ hours and - nothing. 

Failed to notice any signs of fully charged state durning the connection either. Anyway, I mentioned he gets fully charged in ~2 of hours.

 

Also, 

Does anybody else having problems with album artwork not showing on HifiMan HM700?

I've tried to put folder.jpg into album folder, tried to copy folder.jpg into tags (with use of utility "Tag&rename"), tried to name it "cover.jpg" instead, tried to change '.jpg' to '.jpeg', tried differnet sizes of images - nothing seemed to work for me... :( While I am able to choose any of these images through 'file browser' and see them, I can't get them to show on 'now playing' screen.

And I must add that I only tried to do such stuff with files in FLAC and APE (not that it really matters, does it?)

If you know some specific requirements for those images (resolution, size, name, anything) or simply not having such issues on your example of HM700 - please let me know

And my example didn't have any preuploaded music or whatsoever..

Firmware version - 1.09 (don't think that there's example of this player with other firmware version on market - but who knows?)

Sorry for my lame English :)


Edited by crimson273 - 4/15/14 at 1:49pm
post #39 of 123
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Originally Posted by crimson273 View Post

Also, 

Does anybody else having problems with album artwork not showing on HifiMan HM700?

I've tried to put folder.jpg into album folder, tried to copy folder.jpg into tags (with use of utility "Tag&rename"), tried to name it "cover.jpg" instead, tried to change '.jpg' to '.jpeg', tried differnet sizes of images - nothing seemed to work for me... :( While I am able to choose any of these images through 'file browser' and see them, I can't get them to show on 'now playing' screen.

And I must add that I only tried to do such stuff with files in FLAC and APE (not that it really matters, does it?)

If you know some specific requirements for those images (resolution, size, name, anything) or simply not having such issues on your example of HM700 - please let me know

And my example didn't have any preuploaded music or whatsoever..

Firmware version - 1.09 (don't think that there's example of this player with other firmware version on market - but who knows?)

Sorry for my lame English :)

I think it's a common thing. Artwork appeared for me on mp3's only. Never saw an artwork to appear on flac or ape. Probably it is a firmware's fault. 

post #40 of 123
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Originally Posted by Dog meat View Post
 

I think it's a common thing. Artwork appeared for me on mp3's only. Never saw an artwork to appear on flac or ape. Probably it is a firmware's fault. 

Thank you for infomation. Definetely gonna try to upload some mp3 files on player and check artwork on them.

If your guess is right - let's hope for firmware update to fix this issue, as well as no 'fully charged' icon.

post #41 of 123
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Originally Posted by Dog meat View Post
 

I think it's a common thing. Artwork appeared for me on mp3's only. Never saw an artwork to appear on flac or ape. Probably it is a firmware's fault. 

Same thing here, mp3 load Artwork, not Flac. 

post #42 of 123
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Originally Posted by Dog meat View Post
 

Anyone knows, is there any sign, that says that HM-700 is fully charged? Manual says that a charging mark will be shown on the screen when the player is charged, but I left mine for 4+ hours and - nothing. 

I assumed it is fully charged when the battery is fully white. I may be wrong.

post #43 of 123
So does anyone have the HM700 and the DX50? I would like to know how the HM700 sounds compared to 50. I do like my DX50 but I'm sending it back for repairs as it keeps freezing and want another higher end DAP. I'm saving for the HM802 but this will be way later on this year. I really like HiFiman products, they sound great but there quality was
Sketchy in the past but seems to be improving.
post #44 of 123
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So does anyone have the HM700 and the DX50? I would like to know how the HM700 sounds compared to 50. I do like my DX50 but I'm sending it back for repairs as it keeps freezing and want another higher end DAP. I'm saving for the HM802 but this will be way later on this year. I really like HiFiman products, they sound great but there quality was
Sketchy in the past but seems to be improving.
There is a comparsion in "Two new HifiMan players announced: HM700 and HM802" thread, page 14
 
 

Originally Posted by 00lunar View Post
 

As promised:

 

OK, to put it as short and sweet as I can, I have in my posession all three DAP-s: HM-700, X3 and DX50. I've been fiddling with them for about a week or so, all three have been burned, HM-700 has about 100 hours on him. So it's fair to say that all three had equal chances. I've used ONLY two pairs of IEM-s; my beloved Heir Audio 8.A and RE-400B. Second pair was a kind of obvious choice, as HM-700 came along with those, and I can see now very clearly why HiFiMAN guys decided to add them to their latest DAP and how well thought that idea actually is. But more about that a bit later.

 

Two, scratch that, three disclaimers before we go:

 

1. I hadn't payed for any of those amps, they were delivered to me as a free samples, no journalistic surprises or secrets here. Both came directly from Questyle HQ

 

2. I'm not affiliated with companies mentioned in this article in neither financial, nor personal way. Though, obviously, I know PR people working there, but we get along only on professional level and that's it.

 

3. Sorry about my language skills, I'm aware that they could use some improvement. But I honestly believe that by writing stuff such as this review I'll get better. If you consider yourself as a language purist and are afraid your eyes might fall off, please stop reading here. 

 

List of music I used is quite vast: Nine Inch NailsBat For LashesRebecca PidgeonEinsturzende NeubautenCorvus CoraxThe KnifeFever Ray, early albums of Mike OldfieldFilterWardrunaPigMinistryMichael Goddard/MonteverdiDead Can DanceKMFDMJarboeMuseDavid LynchTherion and some Chesky's stuff to name a few. No additional details are needed here, but if someone asks about specific tracks, I'll gladly answer.

 

 

OK, onto details now we go:

 

OS and UI

 

To be honest, HM-700 is in third place in terms of OS, it's somewhat slow, and it takes time to get used to it. There's no "return" button, therefore getting one screen back is done via left arrow. But i. e. when I'm in EQ adjusting certain frequencies, and when I want to jump from 3 kHz down to 50 Hz, I can do this only by pressing right arrow and go into loop. Intuition tells me to use left one but when I do that, I instantly am one screen earlier, which is odd. Return button could be useful here. DX50 and X3 OS-es are more fluent and the one in latter, also buttons based, is also faster. Look, nothing dealbreaking for HM-700 here, but bear in mind that there are some things listener needs to get used to. And I've noticed that arrows below screen aren't always responding despite audible and perceptible click. I guess this might be OS related, but have no idea now, we'll see what changes updates will bring. Though I have to confess, that getting used to somewhat awkward placed X3 buttons took me more time, even today, after months of usage I make mistakes. DX50 is the best one for me among all three.

 

Build quality

 

HM-700 is well made judging solely by its cost. Though some things could be better, i. e. very poor display. But after whole testing phase it came to me again how well thought this device actually is (size, used materials, its innards etc.), price wise of course. Aye, DX50 is the best one out of all three DAP-s, and a real looker too. X3 seems more sturdy thanks to aluminum back than HM-700, but second one is made out of very sturdy plastic. I don't see the scenario when its screen gets damaged. And I'm not sure how many of you know, but whole HM-700 frame is aluminum. Back and front are plastic, but its sides are noticeably colder, therefore it must be aluminum. Orange buttons work good, though I can't write the same thing about arrows. Maybe it's just me, but I'd like them to be moved more to borders of the device and up a bit, even if it would mean that display has to be reduced. When having HM-700 in my right hand, and in need of pressing arrow down or right, my thumb acts awkward. I don't see this as a common issue or flaw, at least for now, maybe it's just me. But I pay attention to those things. I like my DAP-s just as my wife - comfortable in use :veryevil: And yes, before I forget: I'd like to see something better than TFT these days. I know you can do it HiFiMAN, I really do.

 

 

Sound quality - HiFiMAN HM-700 vs FiiO X3

 

It's hard not to hear that X3 sounds warmer. HM-700 is more natural and not so round, but I have to admit that I don't like too warm sound. And for the sake of facts, my 8.A weren't used here, for obvious reasons. This is a no go with X3. OK, moving on to RE-400B, HM-700 bass goes audibly deeper, is more dynamic and doesn't have that midbas hump X3 has. FiiO DAP has its lows more rounded, not so well controlled and overall - worse. Maybe if lows in X3 were deeper, who knows, but they aren't, in addition midbas makes sound more bloated and I'm very sensitive on that particular field so it is what it is. HM-700 has more highs, therefore they deliver more details to music and are quite smooth. Not HM-901 smooth, but still pretty good. Again, HM-700 is my pick. Both DAP-s present mids in different way as well. The way I see vocals is that those are connected do soundstage depth, different distance can be between them and listener. HM-700 has them closer, more direct than X3. Those aren't "in your face" direct, but audibly closer than the same parts heard on HiFiMAN-s rival, and, of course, more clear. Though I have to give credit to X3 here, mids of this DAP are more smooth, about right for me in that regard. The same stuff is with guitars. HM-700 presents them in more dynamic, and not so rounded way, but that's a kind of matter of taste I guess. Some people like them soft and a bit fuzzy, some - clean and a tad sharp. In terms of midrange, the best solution for me would be X3's roundness and smoothness plus HM-700 closeness and dynamics, you get the point. I guess I can't have it all in fairly budget pricerange. Moving on, X3 has worse instruments separation, mainly thanks to bloated lows, at least to my ears. Not a big deal though, but audible, HM-700 sounds more clear and detailed. As for soundstage, I wrote X3 has more depth, but width is fairly limited. HM-700 does something opposite, this DAP sounds wider, but also noticeably closer in center of the show. As mentioned above, it's a device with more direct presentation. Same thing I witnessed with HM-901, and I liked it a lot. To sum things up, HM-700 sound is more spacious, airy, detailed, dynamic and direct when compared to X3. FiiO's DAP is for people praising warmth above anything else. Excluding mids smothness, personally I don't see spot where X3 is better than HM-700. Not with RE-400B.

 

 

Sound quality - HiFiMAN HM-700 vs iBasso DX50

 

Things get a bit tricky here. Audible differences between DAP-s are more than just audible. This time roles have changed. It turns out, that DX50 (FW 1.2.8) is the one sounding in more dry and neutral way. It's more than appropriate to write here that it's brighter and it could use a bit of natural touch, at least for my taste. Is it something bad? Don't think so, it's about picking right IEM-s or headphones, ain't it? At first I went with RE-400B. When both DAP-s are in flat EQ mode, well, bass difference between them is huge. It's not even about quality of it, amount is on the table. HM-700 has way more bass than its direct rival, those go much deeper and are more rounded. Lows in DX50 are audible, don't get me wrong, but they barely tap in comparison to HM-700-s rock crushing blows. How about that. Though it's fair to say that those devices are tuned differently and that's it. Vocals bring additional differences to the table. DX50 has them more sterille and clear, the same thing is with guitars. Though HM-700 has better drive, that balanced amp really is something. In addition HiFiMAN-s DAP sounds more round and a tad more smooth. Highs are much more audible in DX50, and a bit sibilant as well. But those aren't too sharp. HM-700 has them more smooth but I don't consider them as recessed. Both devices have similar instruments separation, the same thing goes with width and depth of the soundstage. Even vocals are similarly placed in front of the listener, both devices do good here. But overall, HM-700 has more natural and organic soundstage (and sound), thanks to more natural presentation and fair amount of very good lows. At this point I'm amazed what HiFiMAN has achieved, RE-400B when paired with HM-700 are one excellent combo, those were meant for each other, I think I wrote that in one of my previous posts and I still stand by that statement.

 

 

Then I went with 8.A. Truth be told, both DAP-s don't have what it takes to show their full potential. When Heir's flagships are paired with HM-700, sound is in more dark and thick (and yes, more smooth as well) in comparison to DX50, but it has way too much bass for me. FAR too much. In combination with 8.A DX50 sounds more clear and neutral, with acceptable amount of lows, though sibilants are still audible. But overall presentation seems a bit lifeless to my ears. So it's a matter of taste I guess. If I had to pick... well, it's a hard one. DX50 has better UI and that's important here, though there's a fair chance of having RockBox for HM-700 in the future. Decisions, decisions. Pure SQ wise and having 8.A, I'd go with HM-700 and tinker with its EQ. I'd completly turn off lows in 200 Hz dept.,just to get rid of that nasty midbass bloat, and shorten at least a half of those sitting in 50 Hz. This I'd do just for safety reasons. Paired with HM-700, 8.A have lows which literally can make your head crack in half. I'd probably do something with 14 kHz as well, not too much though. But if I'd had to take all things into consideration, for now DX50 is better choice. Truth be told, I'm far from recommending 8.A to anyone having DX50 or HM-700 already. I don't want to discredit first one, I really like that DAP and am utterly surprised what iBasso achieved and has to offer for 240$, I know this device can sound very, very good. But not with IEM's I've had on hand during my tests.

 

Bottom Line

 

HM-700 isn't surprise for me, at least not on regular fields. In comparison to X3 and DX50, UI and OS of HiFiMAN-s new entry level DAP could use improvements (as usual), build quality is OK at best and so on. But sound... kills. Dang. Paired with RE-400B this is one excellent combo, trust me. SQ wise it is very good starting point for those of you, who are looking for a fairly budget, yet synergistic set. SQ wise and ONLY with RE-400B on hand, I'd pick HM-700 over DX50 and X3 without looking back, not even a flinch, any time, any day. Small device, big, big sound. In addition, RE-400B go very well with HM-700 custom EQ tweaks. When you hit 50 Hz up, you hear only that being bumped up, nothing more. And possibility of RockBox is huge cherry on top of it all, at least for me. Unless you want some DAP that has all the fancy fetures like DSD, USB OTG, line-out, DAC function etc. If so, get yourself something else. But bear in mind, that SQ wise you miss hell of a set.

 

 


 

P.S. Before I go to sleep, two things helped me with writing this thing above. Some of you know Scooter's "How Much Is The Fish", aye? :veryevil: ( <-----love that smiley)

 

 

And this. I'm constantly blown away.

 


Cheers,

00L.

 

 


Edited by Dog meat - 4/17/14 at 10:50am
post #45 of 123

Nice review!  Do you have a link where you post all of your audio reviews (you mentioned Questyle HD?)

 

Also, when you were testing HM-700 with 8.A, I assume you were using balanced to unbalanced adapter?

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