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post #466 of 593

You all are aware that there's also an HTC One M8 "Harmon Kardon Edition," right? Recording engineer Mark Waldrep is raving about it.

post #467 of 593
The HK element (rather than boom sound version) adds a (to my ears) certain amount of what I would term as plasticky soundstage and treble lift...

If going for the M8, personally I'd just go for the cheapest version, and disable the sound enhancements (to note, not relevant to the core of this site but for reference - boom sound / HK enhancements CANNOT be switched off for speakers)
post #468 of 593
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Originally Posted by bcarr112281 View Post
 

You all are aware that there's also an HTC One M8 "Harmon Kardon Edition," right? Recording engineer Mark Waldrep is raving about it.

Sounds like it's all software + headphones, they are not mentioning any hardware improvements. So basically the same phone rebadged?

post #469 of 593
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Originally Posted by wavelet View Post
 

Sounds like it's all software + headphones, they are not mentioning any hardware improvements. So basically the same phone rebadged?

also, if you're rooted you can intall those H/K sound mods, btw is anybody using sound mods? which one you preffer? V4A, H/K, or Project Era? I'm using the last one, it's good, just good, didn't use the others but I'm curious


Edited by svil3 - 6/13/14 at 4:24pm
post #470 of 593

Hi guys!


I'm loving my new M8's sound but I want to get rid of volume clipping problems. I have installed ElementalX kernel with HD Audio and I also have disabled LPA on the GPE based rom I'm using (SinLessROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2709397). However there's still a bit of volume clipping at highest levels. Do you know how to fix it? Any help would be appreciated.

 

Regards, mates!

post #471 of 593
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Sounds like it's all software + headphones, they are not mentioning any hardware improvements. So basically the same phone rebadged?

Yup, it is ONLY a software feature (which is flashable to ANY m8) + headphones.

 

The H&K software works like that: If you use heavily compressed audiofiles (like 128 kbit/s mp3), the software tries to reproduce the compression, and so enhance the Audioquality.

 

But, if you already have 320 kbit/s (good converted, not files that got converted 10 times between 92 kbit/s and 320 kbit/s, that obviousl doesnt work...) or even Flacs, this software would bring you... pretty much Nothing. It will mostly sound like slightly "tricks" with soundstage, clarity etc.

i Tested it with my UE 900, and i heared zero improvement (i have not a single mp3 with a bad quality, so that doesnt help me).

 

In other words: People who care about Audio Quality, will not use strong compressed Audiofiles, so the H&K software doesnt even get its chance to shine.

 

On the other hand, while you have H&K software flashed, Boomsound gets deactivated. And i mean really deactivated/bugged/will NOT work, no matter what you do.

I tried it. With 3 different H&K flash mod versions. on some, boomsound is still there, on some it isnt (but you can enable it back when changing a script file).

Even if it IS in the menu, and selected as activated, it is NOT activated during sounds. You can see that, when the "b" is missing in the notification list.

 

Sooo, for Headphones you dont want Boomsound, because thats craps (way too much bass and treble, even up to distortion), but the external Speakers without "Boomsound" activated sound very thinn. HERE (and ONLY here) "Boomsound" is an improvement, that you will notice much stronger, than the improvement of H&K.

 

 

(Not sure if this is the Case in the "original" H&K edition.)

post #472 of 593
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Originally Posted by wavelet View Post
 

Sounds like it's all software + headphones, they are not mentioning any hardware improvements. So basically the same phone rebadged?

 

I don't know, but I am inclined to trust Mark Waldrep's judgement; he seems to know what he says. Keep in mind, too, that Waldrep is apparently mostly impressed with the phone's performance on high-resolution tracks.

post #473 of 593
Well if any of you are worried about batterylife, dont be, here is my batter drain over 2 days, 6-8 hours music, browsing the web over 3g and WiFi, about an hour of watching 720p mkvs, camera, calls and maybe 30mins of gaming each day, still got enough for another one and a half days, maybe 3 if I use extreme power saver but that's no fun. Barely loses power in idle and sips even with screen on, similar if not better batterylife than my note II, maybe 20% less than my iPad 2 though, still superb, combined with clear, incredibly powerfully headphone output, lush speakers, impeccable build and a liquid smooth ui, this is easily the best phone I've used, coming from iPhones, galaxy devices (note II, s3 and s4) and other HTC phones.


Edited by ryanjsoo - 6/13/14 at 10:39pm
post #474 of 593

Let's say I might have been able to talk my way into $500 and things like the Westone W40 have landed on my radar. Thoughts on those with the M8?

post #475 of 593
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Originally Posted by bcarr112281 View Post
 

 

I don't know, but I am inclined to trust Mark Waldrep's judgement; he seems to know what he says. Keep in mind, too, that Waldrep is apparently mostly impressed with the phone's performance on high-resolution tracks.

 

There is so much subjective hand waving and snake oil in this field i'd personally like to see more universally measurable objective metrics about SQ :( So it can become a commodity, i can buy a pair of perfect $20 headphones and call it a day :)

post #476 of 593
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There is so much subjective hand waving and snake oil in this field i'd personally like to see more universally measurable objective metrics about SQ :( So it can become a commodity, i can buy a pair of perfect $20 headphones and call it a day :)

 

Well, I would submit to you that the reason audio, high-end or not, can become a hobby, is because it's somewhat more subjective than several other hobbies that involve electronic gadgets. It cannot always be fully defined by metrics. If it had become so easily measureable, head-fi would be a much smaller forum.

 

On the other hand, there is a lot we can do even under those caveats to easily isolate and ignore fruitless claims, by getting a rough idea of how the industry works behind the scenes, what's involved to make the ingredients of a device come together.

 

If you are have some familiar with the phone industry, just a tiny bit, you may kinda sorta get an inkling that, by "common sense," the HKE M8 cannot possibly feature different hardware or even deeper-than-OS-level stuff, because those would take way too much cost and trouble, and a typical phone manufacturer is simply NOT going to do it unless it generates earth-shattering buzz. Even the chinese manufacturers like Vivo, who get the most motivation to do better audio (because there's a market who loves big words and would gladly pay for those promises), they would not do this lightly, as it's a lot of work to swap out the audio chip, nevermind cost, logistics and procurement issues. So when I saw news of the HKE, it never crossed my mind that it could possibly have anything other than one or two audio-enhancing software, and that is to essentially act as a disclaimer of sorts, so that people can't legitimately say it's a fraud edition.

 

Just my $0.02 of course. Then there's also always the issue of: yes I can hear the improvement, it's there, it's real. It took a fair bit of work by the manufacturer to get us there, blah blah blah... but is it worth the extra cost? Does anything ever sound twice as good as something half its cost? ;)


Edited by heatofamatch - 6/14/14 at 5:23am
post #477 of 593
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Originally Posted by wavelet View Post
 

Sounds like it's all software + headphones, they are not mentioning any hardware improvements. So basically the same phone rebadged?

It's the same phone with a software mod and different iems included. You can download a rom that has the HK enhancements if you want them on a normal m8

post #478 of 593
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Originally Posted by wavelet View Post
 

 

There is so much subjective hand waving and snake oil in this field i'd personally like to see more universally measurable objective metrics about SQ :( So it can become a commodity, i can buy a pair of perfect $20 headphones and call it a day :)

to do this right, you'd also need evoked-potential hearing tests to map your individual brain response to different frequencies and transients [dependent on the condition of your ears and the nerve tracts taking the signal to a relay nucleus and then the temporal lobe, from which we'd pick up the signal].  and then we'd need a theory to connect those response maps, the device's output measures and your subjective experience.  piece of cake.


Edited by jk47 - 6/14/14 at 6:53am
post #479 of 593
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to do this right, you'd also need evoked-potential hearing tests to map your individual brain response to different frequencies and transients [dependent on the condition of your ears and the nerve tracts taking the signal to a relay nucleus and then the temporal lobe, from which we'd pick up the signal].  and then we'd need a theory to connect those response maps, the device's output measures and your subjective experience.  piece of cake.

 

Haha, yeah. I see what you are saying, there's individual perception and the same exact sound waves will sound different to different people, like some people are intolerant to bright high frequencies etc. Which maybe had to do with their childhood development. etc etc

 

But then maybe the right way to do this is to first have as close to acoustic reference device and then apply some preprocessing to shape the signal the way you want (perhaps more than EQ).

 

Then there's the issue of how exactly your ears are shaped and at what angle the soundwaves are entering the ear lol

 

So yeah i guess it's not so easy to get an objective measurement and call it a day :)


Edited by wavelet - 6/14/14 at 12:46pm
post #480 of 593
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Haha, yeah. I see what you are saying, there's individual perception and the same exact sound waves will sound different to different people, like some people are intolerant to bright high frequencies etc. Which maybe had to do with their childhood development. etc etc

 

But then maybe the right way to do this is to first have as close to acoustic reference device and then apply some preprocessing to shape the signal the way you want (perhaps more than EQ).

 

Then there's the issue of how exactly your ears are shaped and at what angle the soundwaves are entering the ear lol

 

So yeah i guess it's not so easy to get an objective measurement and call it a day :)


Now it sounds like i'm advocating what potentially HK did for this phone. Maybe they did exactly this, took a fixed source and fixed transducer and created a piece of software doing processing that matches them up the best....

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