or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › New HTC One M8 audio review
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

New HTC One M8 audio review - Page 29

post #421 of 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfield View Post

Hi,

I´m pretty confused about the mixed audio reviews of some of the current top devices. WhatHifi states, that the Z2 is superior, GSM Arena is all for the M8 (Supercurio once said that their measurement is not correct).
Which site is the most reliable when it comes to measuring audio quality? And has anyone hopes for the G3?

Cheers!
GSM arena reviews cell phones... What hifi is audio experts... I'll have to go with what hifi.
post #422 of 870

Depends what you use...

GSM arena is testing with full size headphones, so they won't give you any informations about the output impedance, which is kinda important for in-ears (with more than 1 drivers), but not important for full size headphones.

 

About whathifi, if you mean this: http://www.whathifi.com/review/sony-xperia-z2

 

Well sorry but... This "Review" is totally crap.

 

Quote:
 As with past Xperia smartphones, the Z2 makes Android rivals sound pedestrian with its punchy, engaging sound. Strong dynamics, solid bass, plenty of detail – the Z2 has it all.

And the bass on every other phone is not solid, plenty of details, or strong dynamics? More informations, more comparisons please, or reading that review is a waste of time.

 

Quote:
 Listening to Bastille’s The Rip Tide through our B&W P7 reference headphones, timing is precise, vocals are clear and instruments have room to breathe.

B&W are kinda designer-headphones, and should not be worth their money... They do not offer "300 dollar sound". Using something like that as reference.... not a good choice.

There are plenty of other headphones.

And since these are mobile devices, and most people who listen music are using inears, they should use a multi-BA driver inear as reference, comparing it to a "reference"-USB DAC/Amp, which has 0.1 Ohm output impedance.

Everything else... nope, not really informative.

Headphones like that, you can plug them into 99% of any smartphone on the market, and say "wow strong dynamics, solid bass, plenty of detail".

 

Quote:
 Call quality is also good on the Z2, with the Sony speakers sounding clear.

I heared alot people complain about the call quality, beeing worse than on the other 2014 flagships.

 

Soo... In my opinion, thats not worth beeing called an "Audio Review". Better look somewhere else, of better: try finding user who have tested it, and maybe measured.

 

Edit: If you ONLY look at the Audio part of the Mobile phone, gsm arena tested it like a million times better, than whathifi, which is more... well.. an amateur who dont know what hes talking about, and how to properly test Audio. Because this is wrong.

I can not see how anyone could possibly go with what-hifi (regarding the Xperia Z2 test only), if they give you ZERO information about the audio quality.

I mean... Is the xperia Z2 now better or worse than the M8 or Galaxy S5? The most important question, not answered.

I expect more from "experts".


Edited by Darkseth - 6/4/14 at 7:48am
post #423 of 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkseth View Post

Depends what you use...
GSM arena is testing with full size headphones, so they won't give you any informations about the output impedance, which is kinda important for in-ears (with more than 1 drivers), but not important for full size headphones.

About whathifi, if you mean this: http://www.whathifi.com/review/sony-xperia-z2

Well sorry but... This "Review" is totally crap.

And the bass on every other phone is not solid, plenty of details, or strong dynamics? More informations, more comparisons please, or reading that review is a waste of time.

B&W are kinda designer-headphones, and should not be worth their money... They do not offer "300 dollar sound". Using something like that as reference.... not a good choice.
There are plenty of other headphones.
And since these are mobile devices, and most people who listen music are using inears, they should use a multi-BA driver inear as reference, comparing it to a "reference"-USB DAC/Amp, which has 0.1 Ohm output impedance.
Everything else... nope, not really informative.
Headphones like that, you can plug them into 99% of any smartphone on the market, and say "wow strong dynamics, solid bass, plenty of detail".

I heared alot people complain about the call quality, beeing worse than on the other 2014 flagships.

Soo... In my opinion, thats not worth beeing called an "Audio Review". Better look somewhere else, of better: try finding user who have tested it, and maybe measured.

Edit: If you ONLY look at the Audio part of the Mobile phone, gsm arena tested it like a million times better, than whathifi, which is more... well.. an amateur who dont know what hes talking about, and how to properly test Audio. Because this is wrong.
I can not see how anyone could possibly go with what-hifi (regarding the Xperia Z2 test only), if they give you ZERO information about the audio quality.
I mean... Is the xperia Z2 now better or worse than the M8 or Galaxy S5? The most important question, not answered.
I expect more from "experts".
I've never really been on either, but what hifi sounded more like an audiophile website.... Sorry lol. I just tried using common sense. What hifi sounds like an audiophile site... GSM arena... Idk.
post #424 of 870

Thanks guys! :)

I would have thought that WhatHifi puts its main focus on audio quality. Still not sure how accurate GSM are because of Supercurio's statement some time ago. He seemed to be a "pro" when it comes to audio measuring.

post #425 of 870
Thread Starter 

GSM has a history of sloppiness. For instance, they changed testing methodologies and for a year afterwards mixed "old" and "new" results for different devices in the same comparisons. The two methodologies gave very different results. I'm not sure if they are corrupt of just not very smart.

 

And they never talk about shielding, cpu noise, etc., which have killed many an otherwise decent phone.


Edited by Baroninkjet - 6/4/14 at 1:53pm
post #426 of 870
M8 undeniably has the highest output, the quality is also great but when volume matched, subjectively not as good as the z2 or iPhone, it really depends what earphones or headphones your using since there'll be more of a difference in higher impedance gear as the amp section in the m8 is just so much better. Summing it up, the sq could be 5% worse than a cirrus or Wolfson phone but the power output is almost twice most other phones. I think anandtech's review was most accurate, m8 has more noise and thd but also much more power output, when at the same power output as a gs5 per say there is much less noise and thd, etc.
Edited by ryanjsoo - 6/4/14 at 2:19pm
post #427 of 870

for those who are waiting for an htc windows phone:

 

Microsoft Hints At HTC Partnership

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/htc/htc-w8/22237/microsoft-hints-htc-partnership

 

and

 

 

 

Microsoft says HTC prepares "new things", the Windows Phone-based W8 might be one of them

 

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Microsoft-says-HTC-prepares-new-things-the-Windows-Phone-based-W8-might-be-one-of-them_id56859


Edited by jk47 - 6/4/14 at 2:22pm
post #428 of 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by jk47 View Post

for those who are waiting for an htc windows phone:

Microsoft Hints At HTC Partnership



http://www.knowyourmobile.com/htc/htc-w8/22237/microsoft-hints-htc-partnership

and



Microsoft says HTC prepares "new things", the Windows Phone-based W8 might be one of them

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Microsoft-says-HTC-prepares-new-things-the-Windows-Phone-based-W8-might-be-one-of-them_id56859
HECK. YES. This will probably be my next phone now. ^.^ boomsound, metal, dual 4mp camera (sadly.)... LOVELY!!! AND THE SOUND QUALITY OF THE M8!!! ON WP8!! This is my dream match up. Its finally happening.
post #429 of 870

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkseth View Post
 

Depends what you use...

GSM arena is testing with full size headphones, so they won't give you any informations about the output impedance, which is kinda important for in-ears (with more than 1 drivers), but not important for full size headphones.

 

About whathifi, if you mean this: http://www.whathifi.com/review/sony-xperia-z2

 

Well sorry but... This "Review" is totally crap.

 

Aww, you make it sound like we all use hard test figures very seriously like our lives depended on it. That's not how I use them at all.

 

I am so totally aware of the potential flaws with all these tests, especially GSMArena because it has already been pointed out by countless other folks online. If you're only finding that out, to be blunt, you're late to the party. Moreover I only use figures as a strictly relative marker of potential -- i.e. if the noise floor is 10dB deeper I might say "well there's the opportunity that it could be a minimal step better." Nothing more. And it has to correspond to my subjective audition for me.

 

I also treat the PhoneArena output voltage figure the same way: I would say "oh that would seem to indicate something really special would it not?" But I am not the person who hawks the figure and keep saying "that means there's no doubt that it's the best!" Because I know better than that. That's not how the world works. Honestly it's a few other head-fiers who keep chugging this figure around as if it indicates the M8 is a messiah, and keep killing that stand-off space within every discussion that allows for the quiet truth to surface.

 

That's not my angle at all. My angle is that every product is like a person, it's a package of myriad features and therefore there will always be good and bad sides, sides that suit you and don't suit you so much. When and if I tell you how happy I am with my M8, it's because it suits me. It's because it's perceivably better to me alone. I make no guarantee that you would feel the same. I feel happy with my choice, it's a maverick choice among all the confusing opinions that pollute my head but it worked out for me. Nothing more. I'm really not saying that you must all feel the same way, even if I may come on a bit strongly at times. I make sure my posts are laden with caveats; if brilliant minds (or minds with poorer english skills) come with an auto filter that eliminates all the caveats and assume I'm being dead-certain, that's really not my problem. They're not accusing me of that, I won't let them. :wink:

 

When I post figures and links and quotes from other sources, it's with the attitude that "I don't necessarily need external proof, but you want them so badly, so there you go, that's the best material we've got so far. We can discuss this." I'm not really pushing for opinion one way or another, because it was not through figures that I gained my preference for the sound on this device.

 

I feel that this thread began as a collection of people whose personal preferences connected with the M8 as an overall package; its purpose is really not for Sony owners down on confidence to hijack us and incessantly try to confirm if their Jesus-phone Z2 or Z1C is really not the best-sounding device. Love the one you're with! Besides is Gary Oldman not Jesus enough for you?! (And I'm also being benevolent here by using "try" instead of "attempt" am I not? Ha!)

 

The reason I quoted What Hi-Fi is not because I think they're an authority, and not even because I have any illusion that they're an audiophile magazine. Only fools would say a human being is an irrefutable authority on something (or you consume too much TV/press who's always trying to paint people certain ways), and sorry but even my self esteem is not low enough for me to just spontaneously declare that I'm a fool. The reason I quoted them is because, for explaining why I think iPhones sound good, they were far more eloquent and concise than I would be, and they picked up on "timing" in a way I haven't seen in any source gear discussion on why one might think Apple sounds a little better.

 

Lastly I'd just like to say that I dropped my M8 yesterday, it fell face down onto asphalt, and there's now a thin internal crack on the display glass. I haven't been so sad about dropping anything in 20 years! And that is all I've got to say on this particular device. No more rants from me. Bring on the M9. Enough of people putting words in my mouth already. :beerchug: 


Edited by heatofamatch - 6/4/14 at 4:37pm
post #430 of 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfield View Post
 

Thanks guys! :)

I would have thought that WhatHifi puts its main focus on audio quality. Still not sure how accurate GSM are because of Supercurio's statement some time ago. He seemed to be a "pro" when it comes to audio measuring.

 

Has Supercurio done any real work since voodoo sound? Or is he just a talking head these days? Does he still have any knowledge beyond "oh this phone uses WCD9320"? It's not like he's the only person who knows what audio chips these smartphones use.

post #431 of 870
@heatofamatchlol man. You had me laughing at Jesus-phone. Very nicely worded paragraph... After paragraph... After paragraph... (etc.) by the way... SCREW M9!!! BRING ON THE W8!!... And I'm hoping for same phone as M8, just running windows phone.
post #432 of 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by heatofamatch View Post
 

 

Has Supercurio done any real work since voodoo sound? Or is he just a talking head these days? Does he still have any knowledge beyond "oh this phone uses WCD9320"? It's not like he's the only person who knows what audio chips these smartphones use.

As much as I know he hasn't made a comment on audio quality of mobile phones in a year or so. But I trusted his knowledge more than any review on any site.

post #433 of 870
Thread Starter 

"Supercurio" went to work for Cyanogen.

post #434 of 870

i am torn.. not sure what to get between M8, Z2 and S5.. they are all same price where I am, and I would like to use my phone for browsing, calling, and as an mp3 player (so i can get rid of my old sansa, i hate carrying multiple things around). on the go i use amperior. 

 

edit: sorry guys for a repetitive question, just read all posts in the past and I will decide between M8 & z2. i have never used any phones other than the iphone 4 & 5 so i wasn't sure how SQ is with HTC, samsung and sony.


Edited by jscivias - 6/6/14 at 6:11am
post #435 of 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by jscivias View Post
 

i am torn.. not sure what to get between M8, Z2 and S5.. they are all same price where I am, and I would like to use my phone for browsing, calling, and as an mp3 player (so i can get rid of my old sansa, i hate carrying multiple things around). on the go i use amperior. 

 

edit: sorry guys for a repetitive question, just read all posts in the past and I will decide between M8 & z2. i have never used any phones other than the iphone 4 & 5 so i wasn't sure how SQ is with HTC, samsung and sony.

from what i've read [i have no direct experience] call quality is significantly better on the m8 than the s5.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Portable Source Gear
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › New HTC One M8 audio review