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Havi B3 Pro-1 Impressions Thread - Page 33
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Does anyone have both KEF M200 and Havi B3 Pro I? I'm wondering which one is more power hungry.
Does it matter - I mean REALLY ? No idea about KEF M200 - but I guess most people will be intersted whether a can needs an amp or it can be driven off laptop/phone/etc. B3 needs good powerful amplification - and I can hardly imagine anything remotely intended as portable to need yet appreciably more power than B3. Any decent amp should be capable of driving both. Most laptops, phones etc will not. But if anybody does have both M200 and B3, comments welcome.
There are cases od power hungry cans where most amps intended for headphones just will not do. Like AKG K1000, Audeze, HiFiMan orthos, etc - all of which are better served by a speaker amp. B3 is nowhere THAT power hungry.
Yesterday I was monitoring with B3 a recording of pipe organ in a BIG church - where whatever the pipe lenght , the sound can truly develop fully in the vast space available. I am begining to question that "B3 is weak in the bass" - it did superbly, I never felt the bottom is missing in any way. It can not repeat the visceral impact of the sound acting on your entire body - but no other headphone can do that either. It appears B3 develops its bass past the *certain "normal"* amount of time. Mine have logged > 500 hours by now; although also using heavy bass stuff, most was normal music or even below-average-bassy-music.
I only asked because I use M200 straight out of laptop at 100% volume and it is loud enough for me. However, it's possible that I'm not hearing the M200 to it's full potential.
Enuf to tempt me to buy both....I ended up buying the e18, but held back on the m200 cos of potential fit issues when walking:p
I would like to make one thing perfectly clear; what I am after is real concert levels - for everything. There is, or was/used to be very few rigs capable of lifelike dynamic range. Some female jazz singer plus accompaniemenz - no problem. Symphonic orchestra - if there are any tympani in the composition, most systems will be toast.
Pipe organ at organo pleno - now this will definitely separate men from the boys.
I try to monitor at the same level as live music - if I can help it, even a bil LESS, by about between 1 and 2 dB. Enough to still give me the correct balance, slightly lower to preserve my hearing; rehearsal/concert can mean at least 3-4 hour music, recording session even more, sometimes in excess of 8 hours of pure music , without counting breaks, etc. Musicians/conductors tend to listen with Havi ALWAYS at a higher volume setting than I do - but SPLs at conductor or say at singers' within the choir are higher than at mic position and/or listener in the room.
Please try to at least borrow some amp and try it with good recordings. On average, loudness should not be appreaciably more than from the laptop ( my Asus netbook can not even possibly dream of driving B3 to anything like usable listening levels...) ; what should definitely change is the authority of sound, particularly in dynamic range and bass.
But please don't blame me then for your emptier wallet ...
Yes. Provided it is powered properly.
That holds true for any acoustical music so far. Electronic music, particularly synthesizers , if and when backed up by competent PA system, may well exceed the capabilities of B3 in extreme lows at extreme levels. One group I remember having this kind of "capability" is Oregon:
The above video is for "identification of the band" purposes only - it does not do justice to the sound heard live at all; the guy who is in charge of the sound on their tours, is indeed "another/invisible" member of the band; the improvisations on the synth, particularly in the bass, is for all practical purposes possible to reproduce on ortho phones only - check the crazy SPL capability of Audeze, for example...
ok, wait for B6 then ..:the bellows of the pipe organs P
It is enough for organs - Litanies by Jehan Alain (monitored yesterday) is anything but slouch in bass/loudness ... - please also see my comment on Telarc's recording of Liszt's Stanislaus "a couple of posts back" - it is just Oregon's synth I can think of to clearly exceed the capabilities of B3.
To give you a vague idea , here a recording by the great Marie Claire Alain ( superb playing, but recording does not do justice to the extreme onslaught of organ in the finale ) :