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post #421 of 4001
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Originally Posted by oldo View Post

Hi Everyone,

My first post here on Head-Fi, nice to meet you all :-)

So after trying to find a good set of second-hand Sennheiser IE80's I did a bit of research and stumbled across this thread and was convinced that the Havi B3 Pro-1's were the headphones for me and my budget. I ordered a set, which arrived two days ago, and have to say that I have been completely underwhelmed by the sound that I am getting from these units. My main complaints are:
  • Sound is very un-immersive.
  • Bass response is practically non-existent.
  • Higher end clarity is nice, but I'm finding the overall listening experience to be extremely flat and boring.
  • Cable is stiff and won't sit around my ear like it is supposed to.
  • When walking outside I am getting huge amounts of wind noise over the bodies of the headphones.
  • They are not particularly comfortable for me to wear for greater than half an hour.
  • When listening on my Samsung Galaxy S3 the max volume level is extremely low.

My previous headphones were a budget pair of Sennheiser's and they sounded significantly better than the Havi's.

I have tried all of the different ear-pieces that were supplied and none make a significant improvement on the listening experience.

Am I missing something or doing something wrong?! Everybody on this thread has been raving about these things so much that I can only imagine that either I have a dud pair or I am not doing something right...

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ollie.
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Hi Ollie!

Welcome to Head-fi!

First and foremost, if you're coming from a really high end IEM, make no mistake about it, Havi B3 will probably not be able to match it's SQ level.

With that out of the way, here's a few points to set you at ease

1) Havi B3 is very tip dependent. I can attest best to this because the SQ using the stock tips (both foam and silicon) were vastly different, and very different when using two different silicon tips (the stock vs the senn double flanges). The stock tips weren't bad at all, but aftermarket tips are required to extract the maximum from the B3

2) I hated the wire from the offset as well. Mainly I think it's because all other IEMs use the conventional round wire rather than a flat one. I still prefer the round ones because it's less bulky obviously, but a flat wire does have it's advantages. it rarely ever tangles, and especially for the B3 wire, it once it loses it's stiffness, becomes totally smooth and unobtrusive

3) Havi B3 needs a good deal of burn in. Whether it's a mental or physical matter remains to be proven, but especially for the B3, burning in helps tighten the bass significantly, which initially from my memory bled quite a bit into the lower midrange, making the overall tonality seem rather dark and muddy

4) Welcome to a hugely power hungry IEM. iPhone 5 has a pretty decent amp, but even with volume max, I can say it still gives me a pleasant volume level. in short, you need to find an amp which a power output high enough to drive these beasts. most entry level ones won't cut it. when you get up to the O2 and magni level, you'll see a huge difference

give the B3 more time, a play around a little but more with your tips and gear. good luck!
post #422 of 4001
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldo View Post
 

Hi Everyone,

 

My first post here on Head-Fi, nice to meet you all :-)

 

So after trying to find a good set of second-hand Sennheiser IE80's I did a bit of research and stumbled across this thread and was convinced that the Havi B3 Pro-1's were the headphones for me and my budget. I ordered a set, which arrived two days ago, and have to say that I have been completely underwhelmed by the sound that I am getting from these units. My main complaints are:

 

  • Sound is very un-immersive.
  • Bass response is practically non-existent.
  • Higher end clarity is nice, but I'm finding the overall listening experience to be extremely flat and boring.
  • Cable is stiff and won't sit around my ear like it is supposed to.
  • When walking outside I am getting huge amounts of wind noise over the bodies of the headphones.
  • They are not particularly comfortable for me to wear for greater than half an hour.
  • When listening on my Samsung Galaxy S3 the max volume level is extremely low.

 

My previous headphones were a budget pair of Sennheiser's and they sounded significantly better than the Havi's.

 

I have tried all of the different ear-pieces that were supplied and none make a significant improvement on the listening experience.

 

Am I missing something or doing something wrong?! Everybody on this thread has been raving about these things so much that I can only imagine that either I have a dud pair or I am not doing something right...

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Ollie.

***********************************

I've had the pretty much the same experience with them. 

 

the bass is there but is slow and muddy. 

the efficiency is low and you should use 80-90% of volume of your player

it's flat and boring although the detail is good.

soundstage is good but not like i expected from reviews

 

so in the end it's better than other 50-60 dollars iems that i have, like FA silver bullets, akg ip2 etc.

but for me there is no way they can rival iems like gr07 mkII like some others said

post #423 of 4001
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Originally Posted by oldo View Post
 

Hi Everyone,

 

My first post here on Head-Fi, nice to meet you all :-)

 

So after trying to find a good set of second-hand Sennheiser IE80's I did a bit of research and stumbled across this thread and was convinced that the Havi B3 Pro-1's were the headphones for me and my budget. I ordered a set, which arrived two days ago, and have to say that I have been completely underwhelmed by the sound that I am getting from these units. My main complaints are:

 

  • Sound is very un-immersive.
  • Bass response is practically non-existent.
  • Higher end clarity is nice, but I'm finding the overall listening experience to be extremely flat and boring.
  • Cable is stiff and won't sit around my ear like it is supposed to.
  • When walking outside I am getting huge amounts of wind noise over the bodies of the headphones.
  • They are not particularly comfortable for me to wear for greater than half an hour.
  • When listening on my Samsung Galaxy S3 the max volume level is extremely low.

 

My previous headphones were a budget pair of Sennheiser's and they sounded significantly better than the Havi's.

 

I have tried all of the different ear-pieces that were supplied and none make a significant improvement on the listening experience.

 

Am I missing something or doing something wrong?! Everybody on this thread has been raving about these things so much that I can only imagine that either I have a dud pair or I am not doing something right...

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Ollie.

***********************************

I will put it another way - Havi B3 is like a relationship with a partner REALLY worht saving trough any reasonable professional help one can afford and be comfortable with. Despite "current state of affairs" suggesting to run away/leave ASAP. 

 

My initial response was similar. Bass out of the box is next to non existant - and you have to find tips that match the Havi to YOUR ears. Even if it is from another manufacturer - important is that it seals and is comfortable reasonably well - for YOU. No matter what anyone else says - but there are good pointers in this thread.

 

Yesterday, I learned I have a good portable source for Havi - the Korg MR-1 DSD recorder. MR-1 can be hissy with high sensitivity IEMs - here the low sensitivity of Havi comes really handy. And MR-1 can, cranked up almost to the 100 %, produce "enough" output. I did a straight binaural test recording of one of our premier percussionists yesterday in his "studio" - and was delighted Havi can play back bass drum at live levels without a problem when driven by the headphone out of the MR-1, without any additional equipment. Along with everything else - it is VERY lifelike, more so than most people are ever likely to hear.

 

Unless your pair is defective/fake/etc, you should give it time. ENOUGH time playing music ( or burn-in, if you prefer ) - AND better/more powerful  source. Please read "a few posts back" what is my position on this. Basically: feeble source + Havi = :( .

post #424 of 4001
These aren't good without an amp. They are very capable but only with the proper equipment pushing them, period.

This is the only iem that I own that benefits from the high gain setting on my e18. I also use the bass boost as well. That's saying something, because most of my over ear sets of cans don't need that much power. Don'tget me wrong, when this is done these babies create epic sound, but I would NEVER recommend these to someone who wants something good to listen to through their phone or umamplified device.
post #425 of 4001
Thread Starter 

I believe its time to discuss the best sources/amps for B3 Pro1 and summirize it... We have already seen that tube amps delivers the best results but what about portables?

 

It would be helpful for someone who already pushed or deciding to push the "purchase button".

 

In my case: My S2 and woodoo louder app brings me great results. May be device-iem matched well... But my direct most powerful portable source is a Meizu M3 and while it makes hissing with low sensitivity iems there is no hissing if paired with B3 Pro1. As expected B3 Pro1 shines with Meizu M3. Bass section earns impact, soundstage opens even more. My Sansa Fuze is incompatible without an addition of an amp. If I add Fiio E11 to Fuze, it beats my S2. My iPod Touch 4th gen can drive them well without an amp. So all I can say is the best source for me is the Meizu M3 (adding an amp changes nothing with this device). These are the results with portables...

 

Please add yours.  We need more and more information. This thread is meaningless without your valuable contribution.


Edited by Baycode - 5/20/14 at 7:58am
post #426 of 4001

Audinst HUD-MX1. An old little fella, but both the DAC and amp section is almost colorless. Neutral but powerful, which is perfect for the B3!

post #427 of 4001
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gyx11 View Post
 

Audinst HUD-MX1. An old little fella, but both the DAC and amp section is almost colorless. Neutral but powerful, which is perfect for the B3!

 

Audinst HUD-MX1 have Wolfson chip. Meizu M3 also have Wolfson chip. I have searched from the production dates and seen that its probable that my Galaxy S2 also have Wolfson chip (I thought it was Yamaha before).

 

Mmmm, interesting...

post #428 of 4001
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

I believe its time to discuss the best sources/amps for B3 Pro1 and summirize it... We have already seen that tube amps delivers the best results but what about portables?

 

It would be helpful for someone who already pushed or deciding to push the "purchase button".

 

In my case: My S2 and woodoo louder app brings me great results. May be device-iem matched well... But my direct most powerful portable source is a Meizu M3 and while it makes hissing with low sensitivity iems there is no hissing if paired with B3 Pro1. As expected B3 Pro1 shines with Meizu M3. Bass section earns impact, soundstage opens even more. My Sansa Fuze is incompatible without an addition of an amp. If I add Fiio E11 to Fuze, it beats my S2. My iPod Touch 4th gen can drive them well without an amp. So all I can say is the best source for me is the Meizu M3 (adding an amp changes nothing with this device). These are the results with portables...

 

Please add yours.  We need more and more information. This thread is meaningless without your valuable contribution.

In addition to my Aune T1, I also use a Nu-Force Udac2 which drives the Havi's most awesomely. If you use an Aune T1, make sure all the dip switches on the bottom are all set to on or up.

post #429 of 4001
My HTC One M7 with Audio Player Pro and Viper4Android can drive them OK. I need to push the volume to about 80-90% and with bassheavy tracks it loses control.

FiiO X3 drives them well but I feel like it lacks a bit in the bass with firware 2.14beta. Firware 2.10 was actually better with the B3 but I like the new one better with everything else. We'll see what the stable release of the firmware will offer.

The best portable sound I get is from my FiiO E12 fed by the X3. It has more than enough power to drive the to their full potential and also match very nice.

I'll try it out from my computer with the Audioquest Dragonfly and the Udac2 tomorrow.

I've also got the Topping NX1 on the way so I'll get back to how they match later.
Edited by peter123 - 5/20/14 at 11:53am
post #430 of 4001
Neutron music player ftw on Android 😊
post #431 of 4001

Unfortunately I can not comment on more popular sources, but I am over the moon after today's binaural recording of baroque music concert.  I used my modified Korg MR-1 - and never enjoyed the trip on the bus home this much before. For all practical purposes ,  I never left that venue - and they never stopped playing.

 

Simply amazing, regardless of price - but for $ 60 or so, hard to swallow at all.

 

A friend who also ordered Havi, just received ifi audio nano iDSD DAC - and I will get to test it. Will let you know how it goes !

post #432 of 4001

UDAC2...do u find channel imbalance when the vol is low? 

Had it once, then moved on to NuforceHD, much much better. 

post #433 of 4001

Hey all, thanks for your thoughtful response, suggestions and relationship analogies! I am going to give these little puppies a bit more burn-in time and see how the sound evolves.

I'll let you all know how it goes. Hopefully I can report back positive things :-)

Thanks again.

post #434 of 4001

Hello,

Has anyone used them with just an ipod?  I am really interested in buying them, but do not have an amp...

post #435 of 4001
Sounds like you won't be nearing full potential without an amplified signal
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