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post #241 of 2085

Check out the CanOpener app for iOS, it has crossfeed effect, cool EQ and Flac support. The crossfeed effects open my soundstage on my E30 quite a bit. Wonder how will it improve on Havi:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/681084/canopener

post #242 of 2085

WTF? The Ostry is that much better. I'm trying to decide between these 2 and the Rockit R50. I don't know what or who to believe now.  Help !!

post #243 of 2085
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WTF? The Ostry is that much better. I'm trying to decide between these 2 and the Rockit R50. I don't know what or who to believe now.  Help !!

Better than what?

post #244 of 2085

The Havi B3 Pro

post #245 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Charliemotta View Post
 

WTF? The Ostry is that much better. I'm trying to decide between these 2 and the Rockit R50. I don't know what or who to believe now.  Help !!

They are both awesome. Can't go wrong with either one.

post #246 of 2085
Yes if you want a slightly neutralar presentation 😉
post #247 of 2085
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

It does help ... just somehow can not see it used for KC 06 marketing LOL !

 

My B3 chose to fall on the floor in the church I recorded a concert in 9 days ago - as it is remote area of the church I usually "hide" with all of my equipment, and thar area is generally "off limits", the dark black clam havi case was left on the black marble strip, almost under a step, in a corner that even lighting can not reach - so it was still there:biggrin:. Stealth at its best ?

 

Otherwise, I am pleasently surprised at the choice of music used to audition the B3, at least by some users. Most recently, Bizet and Offenbach were mentioned. I do not see acoustical unamplified music mentioned much on head-fi, and if and when it does get mentioned as being used for evaluation purposes, it is usually with MUCH higher priced gear. B3 appears to set an all time lowest price point record for truly accurate "cans" for the serious music lover/audiophile.

 

Yesterday, I met with a choir conductor to give him the masters of a recent concert he prepaired the choir for. We met in a local pub , enjoying beer while bits and bytes were being transferred to his laptop ( some 35 GB, DSD masters are BIG ). After installing everything necesary to play back DSD on hic mac, I gave him to listen to the recordings with my ( well burned in) B3s. He only asked where can he get them - and ordered them from Penonaudio on the spot.

 

Glad that you found it analogsurvivor! ;)

 

One of the conductor of the city state opera (where I live in) is my friend.

 

I have given him a chance to test all my headphones (previously) and he found AKG K340 elctrostatic-dynamics to be the best (he was right IMO).

 

Now I will have to meet with him. Thanks for writing these information analogsurvivor. I have remembered him. I will have him test the new toys :rolleyes:

post #248 of 2085

After reading posts for the last week I finally pulled the trigger and ordered the Havi B3's from Penonaudio. I'm sure I will get all the others eventually anyway. This was as hard as deciding which tube to roll next. Good luck everyone and make sure to read!!

post #249 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

 

Glad that you found it analogsurvivor! ;)

 

One of the conductor of the city state opera (where I live in) is my friend.

 

I have given him a chance to test all my headphones (previously) and he found AKG K340 elctrostatic-dynamics to be the best (he was right IMO).

 

Now I will have to meet with him. Thanks for writing these information analogsurvivor. I have remembered him. I will have him test the new toys :rolleyes:

Thank you !

 

Although not hung on the biggest bell, I also happen to have the K-340. Not listened to in... longer than I care to remember. I find there is far too much disparity between dynamic and electrostatic drivers, giving an incoherent sound. I know there are tons of mods - but my priorities lie elsewhere.

 

As I write this, cheating Havis with JVC HA-S500s at the moment, listening to the same song as played by the chick with the mutually (dis)liked smile - by the kids :

 

 

Havi B3 REALLY needs "power plant" to sound conviencing on tracks like this - it is vocal music, with lower SPLs,  where it excels the most. I have heard this singer live:

 

 

I also find Havi B3 Pro (Original Version ) extremely revealing and relaxing at the same time - listening fatigue will not set in before one mentally runs out of steam to listen/work with the concentration required.

 

If used "straight", with an amp that does have flat and extended response, now they have become almost enough in bass - on the light-ish side of neutral, but not lacking too much or entirely.

 

Your friend conductor might be in for a surprise... - please let us know how he will comment on the B3.


Edited by analogsurviver - 4/30/14 at 4:42am
post #250 of 2085
Thread Starter 

Taking Care of Havi B3 (keeping, maintenance and opening (for repair) instructions by Baycode)

 

I will share my experiences with B3 under this title and I have to warn the non-experienced readers: All the explanations will be done under your responsibility. If you make any mistakes, that's your mistake. Please do not contact to me if you damage your iem!!!!!

 

 

Keeping and Maintenance:

 

Always keep your ear canals clean of dirt. Although earwax is our friend its not friendly to our iems.

 

Always keep your B3 in a case when not in use. Havi includes a soft pouch and a hard clam shape zippered case in the box. I prefer to use clam shaped zippered case. This way you can keep them away from: some shock, cable bends or breaks, humidity, dust, dirt, other damaging factors. Always put a silica gel bag (1 or 2) in the protective case. Otherwise humidity and sweat that dropped from you on the B3's may cause internal oxidation problems. In the past I lost one of my expensive iem by this way.

 

 

 

 

Do not burn-in the B3 for extended period of time. Give for example 4-8 hours of burn-in times daily. Do not use high volume while burn-in (and never for listening for your hearing health). I will never exceed 90dB while listening to my iems and headphones. Usually listen between 60-80 dB. I measure the sound pressure with a calibrated, scientific grade SPL meter.

 

Time to time wipe the golden jack with a dry cotton or microfiber cloth (its included with the B3 package) to remove the dirt/oil on it. Never use a sandpaper or abrasive things like that. This will ensure good contacts and good signal transfers.

 

You can clean the gorilla glass with a wet wipe and/or microfiber cloth.

 

Never bend the cables excessively, never step on it or get them compressed/jammed under anything.

 

Time to time remove the eartip and clean the dirt (earwax) that accumulated on the metal grille (or mesh) by the help of a sharp paper corner (or with a tool that will do the trick). Do not push the earwax in to the mesh as it can clog inside the mesh.

 

Don't forget to clean eartips after removing them from the iem. You can use wet wipes and a microfiber cloth. Sometimes you can directly rub the dirt/earwax with your fingertip. Sometimes airflow inside the tip can remove the dust. But always remove the eartip from the iem first.

 

Balance or Imbalance Issues:

 

 

(On the photo you can see that the right earpiece is about

5dB quieter than the left one. I have measured this with a

SPL meter. The cause: my right ear canal is slightly

narrower than the left and when pushing them in I had

trouble. Sometimes, the inner part of right earpiece collects

some earwax on the metal mesh at this moment as I push in)

 

 

If you have any imbalance issues first clean the jack (explained before).

 

Check your equiliser and balance settings on your player.

 

Check the cable for any breaks or shorts.

 

Check your ears (or get them checked by a medical).

 

If the imbalance continues and you think that the cause is humidity (or sweat) put the B3 inside an airtight case/bag with lots of silica gel to remove the humidity. After waiting for at least 1 day plug and check the sound.

 

 

The last step I explain here can be checked at first:

 

Recently I had imbalance issues on my B3 and solved the problem by cleaning the dirt and wiping the invisible oil/sweat on the metal mesh by the help of a wet wipe.

 

Incredibly even the tiniest dirt and/or oil/sweat residue may cause up to 5dB of imbalance in my case. Normally I wouldn't advise to clean the metal mesh with a wet wipe. But for my case it was the last solution and luckily it worked :D

 

But if you attend do this type of cleaning you have to remove the excessive earwax with a paper corner. Otherwise there is a possibility that you can push the dirt further in the mesh.

 

Also do not use excessive force while cleaning the mesh. Its only glued there (mine came off accidentally while cleaning). But you may put it again in to its place if you don't touch the glued part. But be careful and do all the cleaning very gently under well lit area (good light).

 

 

 

Opening the Havi B3 for repair:

 

You may want to open your B3 for modification or re-cabling purposes. If you intend to do so here is the guide.

 

First insert the sharp nosed forceps (or very small nosed screwdriver) into the next hole near the upper end of the gorilla glass. Then slowly pry the lens.  Be gentle and slow, otherwise the lens may break.

 

Then remove the nickel screw with a screwdriver. 

 

 

Now remove the screw stopper rubber from the body of the B3 by the help of sharp nosed forceps.

 

Then remove the nickel screw with a screwdriver under this plastic (or rubber) stopper.

 

Its all done. Now remove the back of the B3 plastic part from the body.

 

 

Its rather easy to open it. After putting back everything you may need "double sided thin transparent tape" to stick the gorilla glass back (if the glass did not stick directly).

 

Please note: I will not advise you to open the Havi B3 unless if you want to re-cable it because sound is already near-perfect!  (And if the seller provides a guarantee you may void it after opening them)

 

 

PS: I appreciate your contributions and will happily add them here.


Edited by Baycode - 5/4/14 at 6:35am
post #251 of 2085
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

Thank you !

 

Although not hung on the biggest bell, I also happen to have the K-340. Not listened to in... longer than I care to remember. I find there is far too much disparity between dynamic and electrostatic drivers, giving an incoherent sound. I know there are tons of mods - but my priorities lie elsewhere.

 

As I write this, cheating Havis with JVC HA-S500s at the moment, listening to the same song as played by the chick with the mutually (dis)liked smile - by the kids :

 

 

Havi B3 REALLY needs "power plant" to sound conviencing on tracks like this - it is vocal music, with lower SPLs,  where it excels the most. I have heard this singer live:

 

 

I also find Havi B3 Pro (Original Version ) extremely revealing and relaxing at the same time - listening fatigue will not set in before one mentally runs out of steam to listen/work with the concentration required.

 

If used "straight", with an amp that does have flat and extended response, now they have become almost enough in bass - on the light-ish side of neutral, but not lacking too much or entirely.

 

Your friend conductor might be in for a surprise... - please let us know how he will comment on the B3.

 

Without modification and without a good power (they like tubes) my K340 was one of the poorest full sized headphones that I have. But after the mods, recabling and good amount of power they are incredible.

 

 

I will inform after he tests my B3's  :wink_face:

post #252 of 2085
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliemotta View Post
 

After reading posts for the last week I finally pulled the trigger and ordered the Havi B3's from Penonaudio. I'm sure I will get all the others eventually anyway. This was as hard as deciding which tube to roll next. Good luck everyone and make sure to read!!

 

Hope you like em. Don't forget to burn them in at least 15 hours. They will become smooth as cream after 100-200 hours.


Edited by Baycode - 6/30/14 at 1:20am
post #253 of 2085

Listening with B3 at the moment to the :

 

http://www.classicalcdreview.com/stanislaus.html

 

This recording has been hitherto "unlistenable" ; if  the level has been kept so that at the full blast of the organ 

equipment still somehow "survived", it was too quiet at anything but the peaks - or you could have the average levels at the correct volume and peaks herondously distorted.

 

Havi B3 is the first audio "whatever" I have heard that is capable of giving this extraordinary good recording justice; it does not seem to struggle with anything. Backed by the proverbial "power plant" amplification, the final hymn Salve Polonia is something that really has to be heard to be believed; no description is likely to prepare you for this level of command of sound reproduction.

 

It remains clear - from pppp  to the full blast - always keeping its superb imaging intact, regardless of loudnes it is called upon  to reproduce. And the bass, described by most users as the weakest link of Havi B3 Pro (Old Version ) is -  palpable

 

After this recording, almost anything else would be cat's meow compared to the lion's roar ...


Edited by analogsurviver - 5/1/14 at 1:55pm
post #254 of 2085
Just got my B3 PRO1! I love the sound, we recorded my Taylor 810ce with a Presonus audio box interface and the playback is clear and clean a true representation of my guitar. I am burning in now to see how the sound changes. I have discovered if you want to wear the IEs with the cables down just reverse L/R and they work fine. This is a lot less of a mess for me when I need to be on stage quickly.... We custom mold our IEs ( we have done this quite a few times) and I am curious how this will change the sound. Sometimes we need to add a small hole for an air port for the drivers but it usually improves sound and isolation? We'll keep you informed. These by looks appear to be copies of Sennheiser IEs anyone know how these compare?
post #255 of 2085
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Silvertop View Post

Just got my B3 PRO1! I love the sound, we recorded my Taylor 810ce with a Presonus audio box interface and the playback is clear and clean a true representation of my guitar. I am burning in now to see how the sound changes. I have discovered if you want to wear the IEs with the cables down just reverse L/R and they work fine. This is a lot less of a mess for me when I need to be on stage quickly.... We custom mold our IEs ( we have done this quite a few times) and I am curious how this will change the sound. Sometimes we need to add a small hole for an air port for the drivers but it usually improves sound and isolation? We'll keep you informed. These by looks appear to be copies of Sennheiser IEs anyone know how these compare?


They seem similar at first look (phsically), but IMO they are not exactly the same.

 

Earmax clones seems to me same as Senns.

 

Havi B3 beats Senn IE80 in almost every aspect, except (as you may guess) the bass quantity (which I found rather excessive and bloated and bleeds in mids (on IE80).

 

I believe Havi tried to make something slightly different from IE80 (design-wise). But the main design concept have the same roots though...

 

Side by side Senn IE80, Earmax Clones and Havi B3:

 

 


Edited by Baycode - 5/2/14 at 12:25am
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