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post #46 of 229

I like lists! :D

 

1) So let's say you're right and there is a pair in the $300 range out there that I would think sounds better (remember, it IS largely objective). First of all, that still doesn't mean it's overpriced or even overrated. Just that it might not be THE BEST OF THEM ALL. In my opinion, if it's this freaking difficult to find a better pair of headphones, there should be no hesitation for ANYONE to suggest it at its price point.

 

2) Sorry, not gonna do that. Under no circumstances am I going to drop money on a headphone I don't like and then fight with Craigslist and the Head-Fi classifieds for months on end trying to pawn off what I bought so I can try another. If I don't like a headphone after an hour, I'm not interested in listening to it for multiple hours, let alone weeks. That tells me that the benefit of this headphone is pretty minuscule.

 

3) Furthermore, there ARE the other factors. Okay so we have the M100 and Headphone X that are of comparable sound. The M100 is built like a tank, looks great, has an amazing warranty, AND you can customize it. Even if the sonics alone are only worth $250 (which isn't correct at all), the rest you get easily makes up the difference. But again, I'm serious, suggest some to me. Because I, as well as countless reviewers like Tyll, seem to think the M100s are the bee's knees. 

post #47 of 229
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

I like lists! :D

 

1) So let's say you're right and there is a pair in the $300 range out there that I would think sounds better (remember, it IS largely objective). First of all, that still doesn't mean it's overpriced or even overrated. Just that it might not be THE BEST OF THEM ALL. In my opinion, if it's this freaking difficult to find a better pair of headphones, there should be no hesitation for ANYONE to suggest it at its price point.

 

2) Sorry, not gonna do that. Under no circumstances am I going to drop money on a headphone I don't like and then fight with Craigslist and the Head-Fi classifieds for months on end trying to pawn off what I bought so I can try another. If I don't like a headphone after an hour, I'm not interested in listening to it for multiple hours, let alone weeks. That tells me that the benefit of this headphone is pretty minuscule.

 

3) Furthermore, there ARE the other factors. Okay so we have the M100 and Headphone X that are of comparable sound. The M100 is built like a tank, looks great, has an amazing warranty, AND you can customize it. Even if the sonics alone are only worth $250 (which isn't correct at all), the rest you get easily makes up the difference. But again, I'm serious, suggest some to me. Because I, as well as countless reviewers like Tyll, seem to think the M100s are the bee's knees. 

You like them, they serve your needs. That's good man. That's real good.

 

I care strictly about SQ which I think is above average on M-100, but I prefer others to it.

You think they sound excellent and like their other features too.

Again, not a bad choice (in my opinion), you could do far worse. 

 

In the end, its how you enjoy your music. If M-100 gives you great enjoyment, than it's surely worth it.


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 5:02pm
post #48 of 229
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Originally Posted by TWerk View Post
 

You like them, they serve your needs. That's good man. That's real good.

 

I care strictly about SQ which I think is above average on M-100, but I prefer others to it.

You think they sound excellent and like their other features too.

Again, not a bad choice (in my opinion), you could do far worse. 

 

In the end, its how you enjoy your music. If M-100 gives you great enjoyment, than it's surely worth it.

 

Well like I said, SQ I think REALLY depends on what you want. Every so often I see someone in the M100 thread like "the bass was too much" and my first thought is "if you didn't want powerful bass then these things shouldn't have been on your list AT ALL". They are a bassy headphone, the mids are recessed, the soundstage is kinda cramped, and your ears are up against the drivers. If any of that strikes you as a problem, scratch 'em off.

 

That said, when someone comes up and asks about a headphone, and if their list of music that they like is mostly modern stuff (rock, pop, rap, metal, electronic) I instantly recommend the M100. That's where they shine. If they say anything else? I duck out and let others make suggestions. My point isn't that the M100s are perfect, just that they aren't overrated because you gotta take into consideration what they're aiming to do.

 

That's all. :L3000: 

post #49 of 229
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Well like I said, SQ I think REALLY depends on what you want. Every so often I see someone in the M100 thread like "the bass was too much" and my first thought is "if you didn't want powerful bass then these things shouldn't have been on your list AT ALL". They are a bassy headphone, the mids are recessed, the soundstage is kinda cramped, and your ears are up against the drivers. If any of that strikes you as a problem, scratch 'em off.

 

That said, when someone comes up and asks about a headphone, and if their list of music that they like is mostly modern stuff (rock, pop, rap, metal, electronic) I instantly recommend the M100. That's where they shine. If they say anything else? I duck out and let others make suggestions. My point isn't that the M100s are perfect, just that they aren't overrated because you gotta take into consideration what they're aiming to do.

 

That's all. :L3000: 

 

I think that the frequency response REALLY depends on what you want. Frequency response meaning u shaped, v shaped, flat, etc. I think that's what you are referring to when you use the term sound quality.

 

For me, sound quality is the quality of the sound. Is the bass tight? Are the vocals clear? Is there a high resolution to the sound? Is it all crisp and clean? For these qualities, I think everyone wants the same thing. We like clear, crisp audio, not muddy, clouded, and fuzzy noise.

 

Pick up a pair of 5 dollar buds and you will find you do not find the same sound QUALITY as a good pair of headphones. They may be bassy, but it's not a pleasurable bass!

 

In this respect, frequency response depends on what YOU want, but we all like high SQ. High SQ makes the headphone actually sound good to our ears. 

 

A DAC, for example, improves the actual SQ of what you hear, because the HP is being fed a better signal. I do not like my Pro 900 much without a decent DAC, the bass then tightens considerably and the resolution and detail improves with one. I think overall everyone will prefer the proper amped HP to the under amped HP.


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 5:27pm
post #50 of 229
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I think that the frequency response REALLY depends on what you want. Frequency response meaning u shaped, v shaped, flat, etc. I think that's what you are referring to when you use the term sound quality.

 

For me, sound quality is the quality of the sound. Is the bass tight? Are the vocals clear? Is there a high resolution to the sound? Is it all crisp and clean? For these qualities, I think everyone wants the same thing. We like clear, crisp audio, not muddy, clouded, and fuzzy noise.

 

Pick up a pair of 5 dollar buds and you will find you do not find the same sound QUALITY as a good pair of headphones. They may be bassy, but it's not a pleasurable bass!

 

In this respect, frequency response depends on what YOU want, but we all like high SQ. High SQ makes the headphone actually sound good to our ears. 

 

^^^^

 

Agreed 100% on all counts, and great SQ can land in a lot of different shapes. We all want high SQ, the question is what kind of response we want and where. What some call "boomy" and "muddy" isn't at all. It's just bassy. What I might call shrill and piercing, others would call treble-leaning (for example, my experience with Grado headphones was... not pleasant). Both are certainly high quality, just delivering different sounds.

post #51 of 229

You guys been trying fake momentums ? wtf the treble on the momentum (over ear) was breath takingly crisp and detailed ? when i had a pair I dont understand where this myths coming from if anything thats why i sold them they are too bright i prefer rolled off

 

when people start talking about customization and looks they lose credibility I think the momentum and vmoda have too much money put in to their build and looks over and above drivers


Edited by c64 - 3/29/14 at 5:27pm
post #52 of 229
If you like extended bass and an overall dark sound, M100 is a very good choice. A Fostex mod, such as ZMF v2 and MrSpeakers, would be a decent choice too. But M100 sounds more aggressive (good) and somewhat less resolving (bad). Build quality is excellent as is portability. Comfort is average with the stock pads. $300 isn't an immense sum, but I think it's worth only $233.33 after taxes. The rest is a special basshead tax. I'm not a basshead, so I have the Grado exemption.
post #53 of 229
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

If you like extended bass and an overall dark sound, M100 is a very good choice. A Fostex mod, such as ZMF v2 and MrSpeakers, would be a decent choice too. But M100 sounds more aggressive (good) and somewhat less resolving (bad). Build quality is excellent as is portability. Comfort is average with the stock pads. $300 isn't an immense sum, but I think it's worth only $233.33 after taxes. The rest is a special basshead tax. I'm not a basshead, so I have the Grado exemption.

Great summary. The "dark" sound you refer to is correct. I referred to that as lacking treble, another on this thread called them "dull" sounding.

 

Seems like the people who like more treble (including you considering you like the Grados!) have the most trouble with liking the sound of the M-100. If a more mellow treble is your thing, it's a better choice.

 

People coming from an M-100 will likely view the Pro 900 or Grado as treble happy, even harsh. On the other hand, if that's what you are used to, moving to the M-100 feels slightly dark or dull.

 

This is precisely the reason why it is hard to "try" a headphone for 15 mins at a meet or wherever as I said earlier. You need more time with it to get accustomed to the new sound. Many head-fiers know this to be true.

 

I'll shut-up soon.

 

I feel like I spent my whole day on this one thread, but at the same time, feel oddly relieved with expressing my opinion. :confused_face: 


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 5:52pm
post #54 of 229
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

If you like extended bass and an overall dark sound, M100 is a very good choice. A Fostex mod, such as ZMF v2 and MrSpeakers, would be a decent choice too. But M100 sounds more aggressive (good) and somewhat less resolving (bad). Build quality is excellent as is portability. Comfort is average with the stock pads. $300 isn't an immense sum, but I think it's worth only $233.33 after taxes. The rest is a special basshead tax. I'm not a basshead, so I have the Grado exemption.

 

LOL I like that.

post #55 of 229
I heard V-Moda's at a meet and they seemed really bass shy to my ears. I heard HD800's too and thought they had tons of bass.

This went against everything I've read and I don't really know what to believe anymore.
post #56 of 229
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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post

I heard V-Moda's at a meet and they seemed really bass shy to my ears. I heard HD800's too and thought they had tons of bass.

This went against everything I've read and I don't really know what to believe anymore.

HAHA!

 

If they are bass shy, then what are they? Certainly not Treblehead headphones! 

 

InB4 M-100 is a midcentric headphone.

 

But seriously, maybe the cable wasn't in tight?!


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 6:34pm
post #57 of 229
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HAHA!

If they are bass shy, then what are they? Certainly not Treble head phones! 

InB4 M-100 is a midrange headphone.
They just sounded really congested to me. Just kinda muddy and middy. This may have been a bad pair or maybe there is something wrong with my head shape or ear canals. I don't know. It doesn't make sense and I want to suss why they sounded like that to me.
post #58 of 229
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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post

I heard V-Moda's at a meet and they seemed really bass shy to my ears. I heard HD800's too and thought they had tons of bass.

This went against everything I've read and I don't really know what to believe anymore.

 

Yeah something was WILDLY wrong if that was the case. Bad pair, bad cables, something. Sorry you had such a FUBAR'd experience with them.

post #59 of 229
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Originally Posted by c64 View Post

You guys been trying fake momentums ? wtf the treble on the momentum (over ear) was breath takingly crisp and detailed ? when i had a pair I dont understand where this myths coming from if anything thats why i sold them they are too bright i prefer rolled off

when people start talking about customization and looks they lose credibility I think the momentum and vmoda have too much money put in to their build and looks over and above drivers
No way. Try a Sony MDR-V6 and Q701 before you say crisp and clear. Its veiled (very warm) sounding.
post #60 of 229
So I'm coming from a perspective of having owned the M100 twice over a six month period and no longer have them. I tried to love them, really I did. I then tried to like them a lot. Just didn't do it for me. Thought they'd be a great portable solution what with the small low profile look and being bass emphasized. The first attempt ended when the comfort (pre XL pads) was abysmal and just didn't want to deal with that. Then the XL pads came out and tho it improved comfort a lot, when I sat and listened to them I just wasn't impressed.

The M100 main thread has so many supporters who won't listen to anything negative. These are supposedly built like tanks. Yet the wing plates crack for no reason. The comfort to MANY posters is bad yet people say nope, no one is saying they are uncomfortable. Really can't understand the fanboyism - all phones have flaws but they didn't want to hear it. For $300 I think it's overpriced by a lot, sound is good but not great and the comfort issue even with the XL pads is not great. Which now with the XS coming out cracks me up. Saying they have spent 7 years to develop this small ON EAR phone sounds like hype If I've ever heard it. Thought they would get real and put out an over ear headphone that could compete. Nope, we get a toy.

Look, if you like the sound and can live with the comfort, good for you. There are better choices that sound quality wise will make you forget all about the quirky little hipster headphone. After living with over 40 different phones the past year I can say they are middle of the pack at best. Look at my profile if you want to see all the phones I've owned and auditioned. And none were for 15 minutes, as the auditioned units were for at least a few days. Heck, for portable use and sound the Q40 is better IMO as is the Pro900. I even liked the UE6000 and Beats Studio (original version) better than the M100........so to the OP's original questionI think they are overrated big time.
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