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post #16 of 229
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Second place? What's so great about its sound? Do you agree that the treble is weak and soundstage lacking for a $250 HP?

 

No, not really. I find the concept of soundstage fairly overrated and weak treble is subjective. To me, the treble on the M100 is just right. It's bell clear and I can crank the volume up without it hurting my ears. 

 

Okay, if you're listening to largely orchestral concert hall music you'll probably be disappointed that you can't tell which side of the cellos the violas are sitting, but that's completely irrelevant to me. That's not being able to see the forest for the trees. The M100s deliver powerful bass that doesn't swallow the mids up like I've heard on so many other bassy headphones, deliver a great emotional performance from bottom to top, are built like tanks, look great, AND you can customize them. They're in second place behind my new favorites, the Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI. They're ahead of all sorts of higher-end cans, certainly above any of the open-backs I've tried.

 

And that's spending hours auditioning. Yeah I get why those others are held in such high regard, but the M100s just made me close my eyes and let the music surround me. If you listen to modern music (and this is the key), then there's nothing that beats the M100s anywhere close to their price range. If you AREN'T someone who likes bass emphasis, then no, you'll hate the M100s. That's fine. But for WHAT THEY AIM TO DO, they are stellar performers. 

post #17 of 229
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Originally Posted by Skar View Post
 

For 2 reasons i didn't like them:

 

1.) Comfort is just terrible for me. Clamping force is too high, ear cups are too shallow and the headband has not enough cushion. The cable is remarkable stiff and not very flexible.

 

2.) "for bass heads", well apparently i am not a bass head. Bloated and muddy is as what i would describe them.

 

I am for sure not a very experienced listener but i clearly preferred the v6 over the m100, and that is like 25% of the price.

 

Further I got my X1 for like 60% of the price (exceptional good deal) and dont feel the m100 has anything to offer...

 

...but when my colleagues at work listened to them quite a lot of those beats fans LOVED the punchiness of the bloated bass. So for "bass heads" (for me still just an excuse) there might be more to them.

X1 isn't a closed headphone; there is not much of a comparison there. 

 

V6's have this painful harsh grainy treble that I really hate, and the bass isn't that tight. 

post #18 of 229
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

To me, the treble on the M100 is just right. It's bell clear and I can crank the volume up without it hurting my ears. 

Okay, if you're listening to largely orchestral concert hall music you'll probably be disappointed that you can't tell which side of the cellos the violas are sitting, but that's completely irrelevant to me. That's not being able to see the forest for the trees. The M100s deliver powerful bass that doesn't swallow the mids up like I've heard on so many other bassy headphones, deliver a great emotional performance from bottom to top, are built like tanks, look great, AND you can customize them. They're in second place behind my new favorites, the Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI. They're ahead of all sorts of higher-end cans, certainly above any of the open-backs I've tried.

And that's spending hours auditioning. Yeah I get why those others are held in such high regard, but the M100s just made me close my eyes and let the music surround me. If you listen to modern music (and this is the key), then there's nothing that beats the M100s anywhere close to their price range. If you AREN'T someone who likes bass emphasis, then no, you'll hate the M100s. That's fine. But for WHAT THEY AIM TO DO, they are stellar performers. 

The M100' bass cover the mids pretty hard.. Momentum's treble is way smoother and still MUCH MORE detailed. One of the things I actually liked about the M100 was the soundstage, pretty large for a closed can IMO.
But of course, for most eletronic music fans who wants portability they're awesome 5/5. For anything else, and I do listen to a lot of modern pop/r&b, I'd rate them 3/5 max, considering it's build and portability.
post #19 of 229
It's very plain minus the bass but it's very easy on the ears. I find the treble ok but it does lack detail and extension, not as bad as the momentum though. I prefer the M100 to Momentum in most areas minus mids. Soundstage isn't overblown my Ad700 give me an amazing sense of stage.
Edited by DJDREEM - 3/29/14 at 2:20pm
post #20 of 229
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The M100' bass cover the mids pretty hard.. Momentum's treble is way smoother and still MUCH MORE detailed. One of the things I actually liked about the M100 was the soundstage, pretty large for a closed can IMO.
But of course, for most eletronic music fans who wants portability they're awesome 5/5. For anything else, and I do listen to a lot of modern pop/r&b, I'd rate them 3/5 max, considering it's build and portability.

tbh, I hate the momentums. Such a boring headphone. It sounds rather muddy too. 

post #21 of 229

I think the V-Moda have pretty good build quality, portable and TONS of bass. At the price point of $300, kind of expensive, but they are good looking and to be honest that's kind of what you're paying for. 

 

What other portable can beat this? HD25's maybe? But the treble can get annoying. 

post #22 of 229
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

No, not really. I find the concept of soundstage fairly overrated and weak treble is subjective. To me, the treble on the M100 is just right. It's bell clear and I can crank the volume up without it hurting my ears. 

 

Okay, if you're listening to largely orchestral concert hall music you'll probably be disappointed that you can't tell which side of the cellos the violas are sitting, but that's completely irrelevant to me. That's not being able to see the forest for the trees. The M100s deliver powerful bass that doesn't swallow the mids up like I've heard on so many other bassy headphones, deliver a great emotional performance from bottom to top, are built like tanks, look great, AND you can customize them. They're in second place behind my new favorites, the Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI. They're ahead of all sorts of higher-end cans, certainly above any of the open-backs I've tried.

 

And that's spending hours auditioning. Yeah I get why those others are held in such high regard, but the M100s just made me close my eyes and let the music surround me. If you listen to modern music (and this is the key), then there's nothing that beats the M100s anywhere close to their price range. If you AREN'T someone who likes bass emphasis, then no, you'll hate the M100s. That's fine. But for WHAT THEY AIM TO DO, they are stellar performers. 

I love bass, I own the Pro 900 and Denon 2000, which are both known for their bass heavy signatures.

I listen to 90 percent EDM. Thus, according to definition, M-100 is perfect for me.

 

But it wasn't, it just doesn't compete in the same league as my other two hp's. Soundstage, bass, treble, detail retrieval are all outclassed. M-100 is more portable and cooler looking sure, but I don't need those qualities.

 

But hey, if they make you happy, then enjoy. I know if I had to go back to an M-100, I wouldn't be happy.


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 2:36pm
post #23 of 229

You're also talking, what, $500 and $600? I think it says a lot that your examples of better headphones are upwards of twice the cost. 

 

EDIT: It's worth saying that the Pandora Hope VI (which I'm currently wearing) are ABSOLUTELY better than the M100s. But they're pricey as all hell, so that's a slightly different situation. 


Edited by SomeGuyDude - 3/29/14 at 2:36pm
post #24 of 229
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Originally Posted by Fuzziekiwi View Post

tbh, I hate the momentums. Such a boring headphone. It sounds rather muddy too. 
If the M100 isn't muddy, I don't know what it is.
post #25 of 229
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

You're also talking, what, $500 and $600? I think it says a lot that your examples of better headphones are upwards of twice the cost. 

 

EDIT: It's worth saying that the Pandora Hope VI (which I'm currently wearing) are ABSOLUTELY better than the M100s. But they're pricey as all hell, so that's a slightly different situation.

Good point... They typically run more money, AND I need a DAC/AMP for them, which is even more money. (BTW the Dragonfly is great!)

 

 

I actually got my pro 900 for $220 and my D2000 for $360. While there is a price difference, if you shop around and are patient, it isn't huge. To me, the slight extra cost is well worth the upgrade in sound quality.

 

Although I haven't heard the M-Audio Q40, it's portable, cheaper, and if you upgrade the pads to sure or bayer, supposed to be pretty good. If you don't mind IEM's, the Yamaha EPH-100 are fantastic, as I mentioned earlier, and are a good deal cheaper than the M-100.

 

Signature should be bass heavy with a weaker treble. It would be nice if someone did a side by side of the two.


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 2:51pm
post #26 of 229
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Originally Posted by rodweb View Post


If the M100 isn't muddy, I don't know what it is.

 

Momentum on-ear. Denon D7100. Beats Solo. Sony X05/X10. Monster Ntunes. Tons of others.

 

The M100 isn't muddy in the slightest. Don't confuse bassy for muddy. And don't pull that "The LCD2s are bassy without being muddy" crap. They don't have even CLOSE to the same bass volume. Muddy is when the bass prevents the drivers from accurately representing higher frequencies. The M100s have no such problem, and a close listen proves it. 

post #27 of 229
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

Momentum on-ear. Denon D7100. Beats Solo. Sony X05/X10. Monster Ntunes. Tons of others.

The M100 isn't muddy in the slightest. Don't confuse bassy for muddy. And don't pull that "The LCD2s are bassy without being muddy" crap. They don't have even CLOSE to the same bass volume. Muddy is when the bass prevents the drivers from accurately representing higher frequencies. The M100s have no such problem, and a close listen proves it. 
I thought we were talking about the over ear Momentum'. Can't say about the on ear.
post #28 of 229
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I thought we were talking about the over ear Momentum'. Can't say about the on ear.

 

The over-ear Momenums are a LOT more neutral than the M100. It's funny because they're sort of the opposites in that regard. The on-ear M80 are more neutral than the over-ear M100, but the over-ear Momenums are more neutral than the on-ears.

post #29 of 229

The M-100's aren't terrible overall, they are fine, even good in some respects. For $150, I wouldn't be complaining. They just seem a little overpriced ($100 or so) for the sound quality you get. If you take portability and cool factor into account, maybe you see them worth it.


Edited by TWerk - 3/29/14 at 2:57pm
post #30 of 229
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Originally Posted by TWerk View Post
 

The M-100's aren't terrible overall, they are fine, even good in some respects. For $150, I wouldn't be complaining. They just seem a little overpriced ($100 or so) for the sound quality you get. If you take portability and cool factor into account, maybe you see them worth it.

 

I really do want to know what you consider better than them in the price range. I'm assuming they're going to be more neutral cans, in which case you're missing what they do. To me, they're better than headphones twice their cost. And I've tried a LOT.

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