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post #1 of 15
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I've had the HD 598's for a few months and I must say I'm pretty pleased with them- they seem to have everything I want. However, (even though I don't have the money, I don't even have an amp or DAC yet) I'm still interested in an upgrade later on.

 

But I'm worried about the "law of diminishing returns" that is referenced so frequently here on Head-Fi. Thus, my next upgrade will probably be my last. I'm looking for a headphone with many of the qualities I value in the HD 598. (soundstage, beautiful mids, more sub-bass, little bit of sparkle, etc...)

 

Options:

 

Sennheiser HD 600- Seems to be an upgrade from my HD 598 with mostly the same sound signature. Heard it has realistic, wonderful mids, neutral presentation, comfort, plentiful detail. But, has a noticeable lack of sub-bass, a 3-blob soundstage, not very fast and rolled off treble for some.

 

HifiMan HE-500-  From others, they're heavy, bulky, lacking timbre and requires good amping. Comes with swift speed, great soundstage, beautiful neutral presentation with realistic mids and extending bass that the Senn's don't have.

 

HifiMan HE-400i- Hasn't come out yet, but seems to have far better ergonomics than the prior series and tuned to be similar to both the HE-400 and HE-500.

 

 

I'm also looking for a good amp and DAC that can pair with the headphones without costing too much. In all, it should cost no more (with the headphones) than $800-$1000. If you have any experience with any of these headphones or upgrading from the HD 598, please feel free to recommend any viewpoints or new headphone suggestions.

post #2 of 15

The HE-500, which can be had at the closeout price of $599, is--far and away--the best can in this group.  See:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HE500

 

The HD 600 is an excellent can if you want to spend less. See:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HD600

 

You have a great many excellent choices in the amp & dac world that fall within your budget.  Pick the can first and then decide about the amp.

post #3 of 15

Find a Sennheiser HD580 if you can. Same sound as the 600s, fully modular, and way cheaper.

Don't get a HE-500 or any planars in general if you're coming from the fit/comfort of the Senns. 

The HE-500 is like wearing an anvil compared to the HD598/HD6xx.

post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post
 

The HE-500, which can be had at the closeout price of $599, is--far and away--the best can in this group.  See:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HE500

 

The HD 600 is an excellent can if you want to spend less. See:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HD600

 

You have a great many excellent choices in the amp & dac world that fall within your budget.  Pick the can first and then decide about the amp.

 

If you have listened to both, which one would you prefer and why? I can't try the headphones myself personally, so I'd have to rely on other's observations. More so, how is the switch from dynamic drivers to those of the orthos?

 

Some say that the speed, extending bass and slam held by orthos are wonderful with beautiful layered sound, while some say that it sounds unrealistic and dynamic drivers produce a much more organic sound.

 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post
 

Find a Sennheiser HD580 if you can. Same sound as the 600s, fully modular, and way cheaper.

Don't get a HE-500 or any planars in general if you're coming from the fit/comfort of the Senns. 

The HE-500 is like wearing an anvil compared to the HD598/HD6xx.

 

The HD 580's seem like a great idea- I'll try to find a pair that are gently used. But aren't the new orthos from HifiMAN slated to come out were said to be much more improved in ergonomics? In any case, how uncomfortable were the HE 500's to you? In my mind, velour pads and a new headband would help most of the problem.

post #5 of 15
HD650 will give you more sub-bass, so you might prefer it. Yes, the treble is veiled but the soundstage is better than HD600. The treble roll off on both makes them more versatile with music and instruments that are too bright.

Given my preference for a more bass light sound, I honestly wasn't impressed with HE500 compared with HD600. The Hifiman played solo vocals better, but not much else. HD600 plays everything well; that might be why it doesn't amaze the listener. So either of the Sennheisers. With either Senn, JDS Labs has a new souped-up O2+ODAC (mine is on the way).
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Although it does not bother me, the weight of the planars is certainly more.  I don't find much difference in the clamp between the HD 600 and HE 500.  A used HD 580, with much plastic in its build, will be easier on both fronts.

 

My HD 580 does not sound the same as my HD 600.  The 600 is a step up.  Tyll takes about the two cans and the 650 here:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-important-sennheiser-hd-580-hd-600-and-hd-650

 

Still, a used HD 580 in good shape for about $200 is a good value. 

post #7 of 15
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HD650 will give you more sub-bass, so you might prefer it. Yes, the treble is veiled but the soundstage is better than HD600. The treble roll off on both makes them more versatile with music and instruments that are too bright.

Given my preference for a more bass light sound, I honestly wasn't impressed with HE500 compared with HD600. The Hifiman played solo vocals better, but not much else. HD600 plays everything well; that might be why it doesn't amaze the listener. So either of the Sennheisers. With either Senn, JDS Labs has a new souped-up O2+ODAC (mine is on the way).

 

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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post
 

Although it does not bother me, the weight of the planars is certainly more.  I don't find much difference in the clamp between the HD 600 and HE 500.  A used HD 580, with much plastic in its build, will be easier on both fronts.

 

My HD 580 does not sound the same as my HD 600.  The 600 is a step up.  Tyll takes about the two cans and the 650 here:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-important-sennheiser-hd-580-hd-600-and-hd-650

 

Still, a used HD 580 in good shape for about $200 is a good value. 

 

Thanks for the quick responses, guys! 

 

The HD 650 seem a bit too rich and enrapturing to me but thanks anyway. In your opinion, how is the soundstage of the HD 600's? I'm loving the soundstage of the HD 598's so I admit I'm a little worried when I hear the HD 600's soundstage is smaller, three-blob and could use some improvement.

 

Also, do you feel the HE 500 are a marked improvement from the HD 600? Viewpoints are controversial with this from various threads and comparisons- so me? I think I'll take the safer route so that if I do could get an ortho, I'll probably get the HE 400i if it seems pretty good.

post #8 of 15

The HD 500 is the lowest priced can that, to my ears, has no significant weaknesses with regard to its sound signature.  It is more extended--both bass and treble--compared to the (excellent) HD 600.  It has greater clarity and imaging.  It has a larger and fuller sound stage.

 

Not only have I listened to all of these cans.  I also own them.


Edited by KG Jag - 3/22/14 at 3:40pm
post #9 of 15
What kind of music do you listen to? The HE-400s are very good for electronic and other bass heavy genres.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Garraty View Post

The HD 650 seem a bit too rich and enrapturing to me but thanks anyway. In your opinion, how is the soundstage of the HD 600's? I'm loving the soundstage of the HD 598's so I admit I'm a little worried when I hear the HD 600's soundstage is smaller, three-blob and could use some improvement.

All four Sennheisers mentioned--HD580, 598, 600, 650--have a more enclosed sound than HE500, but I didn't find the HD600 soundstage disconnected or unintegrated (if that's what "three-blob" means). HE500's weight is a deal breaker for me.
post #11 of 15
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What kind of music do you listen to? The HE-400s are very good for electronic and other bass heavy genres.

 

I listen to acoustic, rock, and classical for the most part though I have tons of albums and songs of all genres in my music storage. I actually had the chance to purchase the HD 400's but I decided not to as I prefer midrange to bass. Thanks anyway!

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Garraty View Post

I listen to acoustic, rock, and classical for the most part though I have tons of albums and songs of all genres in my music storage. I actually had the chance to purchase the HD 400's but I decided not to as I prefer midrange to bass. Thanks anyway!

Good choice. For those main listening genres, the other headphones you are considering would be better.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post


All four Sennheisers mentioned--HD580, 598, 600, 650--have a more enclosed sound than HE500, but I didn't find the HD600 soundstage disconnected or unintegrated (if that's what "three-blob" means). HE500's weight is a deal breaker for me.

 

I believe "three-blob" means the soundstage is noticeably separated into the left, middle and right. Some reviews have said it has a three-blob soundstage and that specifically the middle of the soundstage lacks some definition. 

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I believe "three-blob" means the soundstage is noticeably separated into the left, middle and right. Some reviews have said it has a three-blob soundstage and that specifically the middle of the soundstage lacks some definition. 

I haven't noticed that, but it could be that I was too busy enjoying them. (They're near the top of my to buy list as they're the only one I've found that plays harpsichord well--but it's hard to make that a priority.)
post #15 of 15
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I haven't noticed that, but it could be that I was too busy enjoying them. (They're near the top of my to buy list as they're the only one I've found that plays harpsichord well--but it's hard to make that a priority.)

 

I think I've narrowed it down to the HD 600 and the HE 400i- which is perfectly fine because I'm not going to upgrade for a bit so I can wait for all the feedback and possible revisions of the HE-400i's. And even more so, I'm probably going to get a job this summer (I'm still a student) so hopefully, I'll have gotten enough money. 

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