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post #886 of 2349

presently 04:12 GMT 19 June 2014.

 

jonesin for OTW #2.....

post #887 of 2349
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Originally Posted by kugino View Post
 

isn't that what a preorder is? ;)


kind of but the dealer told me that ifi hasn't even confirmed the products existence.  I really want one of the "special" first hundred that ifi was talking about.

post #888 of 2349
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kind of but the dealer told me that ifi hasn't even confirmed the products existence.  I really want one of the "special" first hundred that ifi was talking about.

What's special about the first hundred units?

post #889 of 2349

see below

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Originally Posted by iFi audio View Post
 

 

Hi,

 

Yes, the first batch is still gunning for early July release date - that is, you can go to the store, buy it and take it home.

 

So we are still pretty much on track. The caveat is that there may be a slight delay of one or two weeks but nothing major -  we have a few nice surprises in store and we need these to make it in time for the launch of the micro iDSD.

 

Besides a break to watch England vs Italy tonight - we'll be back in tomorrow to try our best to stick to this timetable.

 

Without giving too much away, the first batch of several hundred units will be very special to coincide with OTW #1. :eek:

post #890 of 2349
PLOT TWIST: Quad DAC popcorn.gif
I wish... xD
post #891 of 2349
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Originally Posted by pekingduck View Post

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Originally Posted by audiofrk View Post

 


kind of but the dealer told me that ifi hasn't even confirmed the products existence.  I really want one of the "special" first hundred that ifi was talking about.
What's special about the first hundred units?

Actually the iFi post says first batch of several hundred wink.gif

My guess is that they have a stock of unobtainium components and once they're gone, the next best available equivalent will be used.



Edit: ps. what is this "World Cup" I keep hearing about? confused.gif
Edited by technobear - 6/19/14 at 12:09am
post #892 of 2349
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Originally Posted by technobear View Post

Edit: ps. what is this "World Cup" I keep hearing about? confused.gif

 

your either just teasing us or your obviously not a Football fan ;-)

post #893 of 2349
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Originally Posted by roamling View Post
 

 

your either just teasing us or your obviously not a Football fan ;-)

he's from the UK, so i'm sure he's just joking. now, if an american said that, i wouldn't be surprised ;)

post #894 of 2349

england's playing today...maybe we won't see OTW #2 until after today's match...

post #895 of 2349
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Originally Posted by kugino View Post
 

england's playing today...maybe we won't see OTW #2 until after today's match...

 

lets hope England will win, otherwise we might not see it at all :eek: 

post #896 of 2349
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lets hope England will win, otherwise we might not see it at all :eek: 

i know!

post #897 of 2349

:evil:ADIOS ENGLAND :veryevil: 

post #898 of 2349
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Originally Posted by Vartan View Post
 

:evil:ADIOS ENGLAND :veryevil: 

don't you mean adios españa? ;)

post #899 of 2349
Thread Starter 

To recap, last week we explained OTW#3: the max power of the micro iDSD at 4000mW@16ohm/8v line output.

 

This was achieved under the “Turbo” mode. This along with some of the questions asked, nudged the spotlight towards Outta This World #2. You lot sure are eager…

 

Outta This World #2

 

Perfect Headphone Pairing:

With Turbo/Normal/Eco + iEMatch

 

 

 

Background

In any audio system, the matching between the amplifier and the transducers is arguably the most crucial.

 

In the loudspeaker market, speaker + amplifier matching is typically well-matched.

i.e. low-powered amplifiers are paired with high-efficiency speakers and vice versa.

 

HOWEVER, in the headphone market, the gamut of headphones paired with headphone amplifiers is very inconsistent. This often leads to poor-matching from not enough power to drive headphones (typically: unimpressive sonics) to far too much power to drive in-ears (typically: unusable volume control + excessive hiss).

 

Explanation

In the headphone market, we went through virtually every current production headphone out there and what we found shocked us.

 

Running the ruler over current production headphones, we found that there is a massive 53dB difference between the most efficient In-Ear-Monitors (IEMs) and the most inefficient headphones. This is an absolutely enormous range (think of this as the difference in loudness between a disco and a quiet library so this is NOT subtle.)

 

At one end of the spectrum is the HiFi Man HE-6 which is as hungry as things go. Rated at 90dB/V, this “Hummer” of a headphone needs well over 3,000mW to drive properly to good levels. Let’s categorise these as low-efficiency headphones.

 

 

BTW, for the K1000 die-hards out there, it is the "Mack juggernaut" as it is rated crazily low at 84dB/V!!!

 

At the other end of the spectrum are super-efficient IEMs. The Sennheiser IE800 is rated at 143dB/V and even driven by the iPhone’s paltry 15mW, you can only dial-up to 50% of its digital volume before it starts to encroach upon ear-damaging levels! Let’s categorise these as ultra-sensitive IEMs.

 

 

It is not surprising to find that we had yet to come across a headamp that can deal with this gamut let alone a DAC headamp that is portable that can deal with this full spectrum of headphones!    :regular_smile :

 

Note: dB/mW cannot be compared directly, we have normalised all headphone sensitivities to 1V signal, which is close to the maximum output of an iPhone, incidentally.

 

 

How best to consider the max power output and the perfect headphone pairing?

The micro iDSD has max power output of 4000mW.

 

The Porsche 911 Turbo S, has a maximum power output of 560bhp. To put all that power down onto the tarmac and to ensure that it grips the road to very best ability of the driver’s demands, it has Sport Plus/Sport/Comfort (see Sport buttons below). To zero-in that perfect-setup, the Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (see PDCC button below) further fine tunes the whole of the car’s drivetrain to ensure maximum grip.

 

 

The micro iDSD has Turbo/Normal/Eco and in conjunction with iEMatch, the listener is able to dial-in the IEM/headphone used.

 

Unleash the beast! (we mean the micro iDSD + your headphones, not the 911 Turbo!)

 

How does this benefit the listener?

OTW #2 is the perfect-match of headphones with the micro iDSD.

 

For the very first time ever, from the Sennheiser IE800 > HiFi Man HE-6, the listener is able to “dial-in” the perfect match using a combination of the micro iDSD’s Power Modes + iEMatch.

 

For example:

HE-6:                                     Power mode = Turbo     and        iEMatch = Off

IE800:                                   Power mode = Eco         and        iEMatch = Ultra-Sensitivity

 

These are of course, the two polar opposites so with any other headphone or in-ear-monitor, then adjust the different settings under Power mode + iEMatch to suit.

 

Summary Table of Power Mode + iEMatch


Technology Description  Remarks Approx Playing Time
HP Amp Power      
•         Turbo mode 8.0V/4,000mW@ 16Ohm  > 1000 mW @ 64 Ohm 6 hours
•         Normal mode 4.0V/1,000mW@16Ohm > 500 mW @ 32 Ohm 8 hours
•         Eco mode 2.0V/250mW@ 16Ohm > 250 mW @ 16 Ohm 12 hours
       
Technology Description  Remarks  
iEMatch      
  •         Ultra-Sensitivity eg Sennheiser IE800/Shure SE535  
  •         High-Sensitivity eg Ultimate Ears UE900/Sennheiser Momentum  
  •         Off eg On-Ear or Over-Ear headphones  
 

 

Once this has been dialled-in to suit the listener, then the analogue volume control of the micro iDSD can be cranked up to 12 o’ clock or more where it will really start to bloom and let your music shine through.

 

Remember we discussed the 53dB difference? This WHOLE range of gain adjustment available on the iDSD micro from the "Ultra Sensitive" setting of iEMatch with Eco mode to Turbo Mode is 44dB, which means only 10dB adjustment on the volume control is needed from SH IE800 to HFM HE-6 to get the same playback level!

 

ps. For Kugino. If England loses today, we may not have upload OTW#2 for one week. So we thought we'd better get this Outta The Way (OTW)  :tongue_smile: 


Edited by iFi audio - 6/19/14 at 5:10am
post #900 of 2349
Quote:
Originally Posted by iFi audio View Post
 

To recap, last week we explained OTW#3: the max power of the micro iDSD at 4000mW@16ohm/8v line output.

 

This was achieved under the “Turbo” mode. This along with some of the questions asked, nudged the spotlight towards Outta This World #2. You lot sure are eager…

 

Outta This World #2

 

Perfect Headphone Pairing:

With Turbo/Normal/Eco + iEMatch

 

 

 

Background

In any audio system, the matching between the amplifier and the transducers is arguably the most crucial.

 

In the loudspeaker market, speaker + amplifier matching is typically well-matched.

i.e. low-powered amplifiers are paired with high-efficiency speakers and vice versa.

 

HOWEVER, in the headphone market, the gamut of headphones paired with headphone amplifiers is very inconsistent. This often leads to poor-matching from not enough power to drive headphones (typically: unimpressive sonics) to far too much power to drive in-ears (typically: unusable volume control + excessive hiss).

 

Explanation

In the headphone market, we went through virtually every current production headphone out there and what we found shocked us.

 

Running the rule over current production headphones, we found that there is a massive 53dB difference between the most efficient In-Ear-Monitors (IEMs) and the most inefficient headphones. This is an absolutely enormous range (think of this as the difference in loudness between a disco and a quiet library so this is NOT subtle.)

 

At one end of the spectrum is the HiFi Man HE-6 which is as hungry as things go. Rated at 90dB/V, this “Hummer” of a headphone needs well over 3,000mW to drive properly to good levels. Let’s categorise these as low-efficiency headphones.

 

 

BTW, for the K1000 die-hards out there, it is the "Mack juggernaut" as it is rated crazily low at 84dB/V!!!

 

At the other end of the spectrum are super-efficient IEMs. The Sennheiser IE800 is rated at 143dB/V and even driven by the iPhone’s paltry 15mW, you can only dial-up to 50% of its digital volume before it starts to encroach upon ear-damaging levels! Let’s categorise these as ultra-sensitive IEMs.

 

 

It is not surprising to find that we had yet to come across a headamp that can deal with this gamut let alone a DAC headamp that is portable that can deal with this full spectrum of headphones!    :regular_smile :

 

How best to consider the max power output and the perfect headphone pairing?

The micro iDSD has max power output of 4000mW.

 

The Porsche 911 Turbo S, has a maximum power output of 560bhp. To put all that power down onto the tarmac and to ensure that it grips the road to very best ability of the driver’s demands, it has Sport Plus/Sport/Comfort (see Sport buttons below). To zero-in that perfect-setup, the Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (see PDCC button below) further fine tunes the whole of the car’s drivetrain to ensure maximum grip.

 

 

The micro iDSD has Turbo/Normal/Eco and in conjunction with iEMatch, the listener is able to dial-in the IEM/headphone used.

 

Unleash the beast! (we mean the micro iDSD + your headphones, not the 911 Turbo!)

 

How does this benefit the listener?

OTW #2 is the perfect-match of headphones with the micro iDSD.

 

For the very first time ever, from the Sennheiser IE800 > HiFi Man HE-6, the listener is able to “dial-in” the perfect match using a combination of the micro iDSD’s Power Modes + iEMatch.

 

For example:

HE-6:                                     Power mode = Turbo     and        iEMatch = Off

IE800:                                   Power mode = Eco         and        iEMatch = Ultra-Sensitivity

 

These are of course, the two polar opposites so with any other headphone or in-ear-monitor, then adjust the different settings under Power mode + iEMatch to suit.

 

Summary Table of Power Mode + iEMatch


Technology Description  Remarks Approx Playing Time
HP Amp Power      
•         Turbo mode 8.0V/4,000mW@ 16Ohm  > 1000 mW @ 64 Ohm 6 hours
•         Normal mode 4.0V/1,000mW@16Ohm > 500 mW @ 32 Ohm 8 hours
•         Eco mode 2.0V/250mW@ 16Ohm > 250 mW @ 16 Ohm 12 hours
       
Technology Description  Remarks  
iEMatch      
  •         Ultra-Sensitivity eg Sennheiser IE800/Shure SE535  
  •         High-Sensitivity eg Ultimate Ears UE900/Sennheiser Momentum  
  •         Off eg On-Ear or Over-Ear headphones  
 

Once this has been dialled-in to suit the listener, then the analogue volume control of the micro iDSD can be cranked up to 12 o’ clock or more where it will really start to bloom and let your music shine through.

 

ps. For Kugino. If England loses today, we may not have upload OTW#2 for one week. So we thought we'd better get this Outta The Way (OTW)  :tongue_smile: 

This matching of the micro to the actual headphones/IEMs used is a REALLY nice feature.

 

What else will be micro capable of doing - the list just goes on and on ?

 

How much power is available into 120 ohm load at turbo setting - and for how long ?

                                                                                                                                                             

 K 1000 diehard


Edited by analogsurviver - 6/19/14 at 5:17am
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