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Yeh sound quality will invariably drop if you use NC. Can't really be helped but in really noisy environments, headphones with NC will sound better than normal high quality headphones which are muffled by background noises. Sennheiser MM 550-X has NC that can be disabled (and all the other Sennheiser bluetooths I believe). So does the Parrot Zik. Tinyman392 said the Phiaton Chord also has that option.

Good points, but I am finding out that "over the ear" phones gives me a quite a bit of dampening outside sound. For example at work, my coworkers say something to me, I have to take them off to hear them. The Sony and the HKs both do this.. At the gym, peeps be coming up to me with the HKs on, and I can't hear them.. I get a little annoyed, because I don't feel like taking off the phones for social talk at the gym, whereas, I am about moving.. Might get me a T Shirt for the gym that says "Don't talk to me".. :)

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It can't be dampening that much that you can't hear them if you mute the music surely? I could hear my mate fine when I was trying out the Sony MKII though admittedly they didn't really fit around my ears. So what sort of headphones are you looking for when you were after open ones for home use. Wired or wireless?

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It can't be dampening that much that you can't hear them if you mute the music surely? I could hear my mate fine when I was trying out the Sony MKII though admittedly they didn't really fit around my ears. So what sort of headphones are you looking for when you were after open ones for home use. Wired or wireless?

Oh, with the open and/or  semi open, they definitely be the wired type. I was looking at the AKG Q701, the AKG K712,  These will  strictly be for home use. I have a Fiio E18 that is unopened.. I was on the verge of getting the Q701s to hook up with Fiio E18, but got some suggestions against that, either the amp/dac or Q701 is/are not a good match..  Will see..

 

Edit: I got a call from a Harman Kardon rep, and he asked me to tell him what happened. I told him about the bad customer service, showing items that weren't in stock, the retraction of the offer of new for the price of the refurbished. After that he agreed, the agents and the supervisor were wrong. Gave me a code for 40% off. I will apply that to the price ($239.95) for the new AKG K550, and it comes to $144. Which is $14 more than the first offer. Will order them tomorrow.


Edited by cehowardNote3 - 5/5/14 at 5:03pm
post #244 of 382

Finally got my HK BT's back and after a bit of EQ tweaking, this set sounds REALLY good and definitely better than the first set from what I can recall. However, the aptX connection issue remains and I'm having the exact same problem as the first set in that it won't always consistently connect via aptX and will default to AAC instead. Bummer... this is the only aptX HP that I have this issue with.

 

 

@cehowardNote3 - great to hear that HK righted their wrongs (although not fully, IMO they should've just honored the initial price). Looking forward to your listening impressions since if paired with the appropriate aptX adapter, it might actually be pretty good in BT mode. :)

post #245 of 382
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Finally got my HK BT's back and after a bit of EQ tweaking, this set sounds REALLY good and definitely better than the first set from what I can recall. However, the aptX connection issue remains and I'm having the exact same problem as the first set in that it won't always consistently connect via aptX and will default to AAC instead. Bummer... this is the only aptX HP that I have this issue with.

 

 

@cehowardNote3 - great to hear that HK righted their wrongs (although not fully, IMO they should've just honored the initial price). Looking forward to your listening impressions since if paired with the appropriate aptX adapter, it might actually be pretty good in BT mode. :)


How does this pair of HK BT compare to your top rated bluetooth headphones the AF62 and the Bluebuds X?

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I got my AF62's in the mail on Saturday. They are so far really amazing. I have not had any dropout and have been using them with the AptX codec via my Galaxy Note 2. They fit over my ears, although they do not isolate like my Etymotic HF-3s(which of course are IEMs). I have taken them to the gym and left my phone under the workout bench and forgot it there, and had no dropouts even though I was at least 50 feet away or more. I have used them while doing weightlifting but not not during cardio. I do not want to sweat into any headphones and possibly ruin them. The instruments are well separated and the soundstage is decent. The controls for skipping tracks, volume, and power are all well placed and easily reachable while wearing the headset. The headphones are comfortable and there is not too much clamping pressure. The bass is there but it is controlled and not bloated like Beats. I am not a true audiophile, but the headphones work very well.

post #247 of 382
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How does this pair of HK BT compare to your top rated bluetooth headphones the AF62 and the Bluebuds X?

I've got a pair at my house right now (according to tracking information). I'll be heading home tonight after my last final.
post #248 of 382
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I've got a pair at my house right now (according to tracking information). I'll be heading home tonight after my last final.

We waitin... :beerchug:

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We waitin... :beerchug:

 

I do have the Matrix in hand with me now.  They are quite the headphone.  The design is actually quite pleasing aesthetically.  The carbon fiber adds a good textured and it isn't sitting behind a plane of plastic.  It's soft to the touch and adds a good complexity to the design.  The black and dark grey design works very well for it.  Build-wise, I feel it could be improved.  The hinges around the headband are really quite stiff.  They do, however, snap in and out of place very nicely.  Like the hinges, the sliding mechanism is stiff as well and does have click to certain spots for the OCD that need everything perfectly even on either end.

 

These are very lightweight, quite comfortable overall.  The pads are a little smaller than I though it'd be and a little thinner.  Although it's not enough for me to say it impacts too much, I do know a lot of people may find these not as comfortable, especially my big-eared friends :/  The seal is also a very light one, this helps with clamping force.  Isolation is very low with these unfortunately, so if that's what you're looking for, these won't do it.  They isolate somewhere between closed and open, more closer towards the open side. 

 

BT functions are all there, which is also a very nice touch.  The left housing has volume controls (for the internal amp) and a power button that also doubles as a voice control activator (for iOS devices anyways).  On the right side, you have skip and previous buttons as well as a play-pause button between them.  The skip and previous buttons have a little "bump" marker on them...  This is probably one of the few caveats I don't like about them, I know it's being picky, but from a blind and glove standpoint, it'd work a lot better if the bump were on the play/pause button.  APT-X as well as AAC are both supported (the MEE rep I'm working with, these are a review sample like all of my headphones, made sure to make sure I knew about the second one since I do run an iOS device).  So it's more universal than the previous MEE offerings in terms of hardware and OS. 

 

Now I know you're all dying to hear sound impressions, so I'll keep it short, I do need to adjust to the sound.  From a overall standpoint, I'm quite impressed.  The headphones are brighter overall.  The bass is very well balanced with a strong, well-defined impact that is actually tight and fast.  Bass depth can seem lacking at times unfortuantely, but for most things will do fine.  The midrange is extremely clear and presents details in a non-aggressive manner.  Dynamics are one main point I'll put across as not being the best.  In the treble regions, as I stated, it's bright.  The detailing is well done as well as the presence.  They can definitely be a bit too edgy/non-linear to some listeners, but overall, quite well performing.

 

That's my initial impression of them.  I know many of you are hoping for a comparison to other BT headphones, you'll have to wait for those unfortunately :/ 

post #250 of 382
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I do have the Matrix in hand with me now.  They are quite the headphone.  The design is actually quite pleasing aesthetically.  The carbon fiber adds a good textured and it isn't sitting behind a plane of plastic.  It's soft to the touch and adds a good complexity to the design.  The black and dark grey design works very well for it.  Build-wise, I feel it could be improved.  The hinges around the headband are really quite stiff.  They do, however, snap in and out of place very nicely.  Like the hinges, the sliding mechanism is stiff as well and does have click to certain spots for the OCD that need everything perfectly even on either end.

 

These are very lightweight, quite comfortable overall.  The pads are a little smaller than I though it'd be and a little thinner.  Although it's not enough for me to say it impacts too much, I do know a lot of people may find these not as comfortable, especially my big-eared friends :/  The seal is also a very light one, this helps with clamping force.  Isolation is very low with these unfortunately, so if that's what you're looking for, these won't do it.  They isolate somewhere between closed and open, more closer towards the open side. 

 

BT functions are all there, which is also a very nice touch.  The left housing has volume controls (for the internal amp) and a power button that also doubles as a voice control activator (for iOS devices anyways).  On the right side, you have skip and previous buttons as well as a play-pause button between them.  The skip and previous buttons have a little "bump" marker on them...  This is probably one of the few caveats I don't like about them, I know it's being picky, but from a blind and glove standpoint, it'd work a lot better if the bump were on the play/pause button.  APT-X as well as AAC are both supported (the MEE rep I'm working with, these are a review sample like all of my headphones, made sure to make sure I knew about the second one since I do run an iOS device).  So it's more universal than the previous MEE offerings in terms of hardware and OS. 

 

Now I know you're all dying to hear sound impressions, so I'll keep it short, I do need to adjust to the sound.  From a overall standpoint, I'm quite impressed.  The headphones are brighter overall.  The bass is very well balanced with a strong, well-defined impact that is actually tight and fast.  Bass depth can seem lacking at times unfortuantely, but for most things will do fine.  The midrange is extremely clear and presents details in a non-aggressive manner.  Dynamics are one main point I'll put across as not being the best.  In the treble regions, as I stated, it's bright.  The detailing is well done as well as the presence.  They can definitely be a bit too edgy/non-linear to some listeners, but overall, quite well performing.

 

That's my initial impression of them.  I know many of you are hoping for a comparison to other BT headphones, you'll have to wait for those unfortunately :/ 


Have you tried these with a anything other than an Iphone? I think that the sound signature and dynamics would be different if you were using the Apt X codec and its better  I have an I phone 5, but rather use them with my Galaxy Note 2 because I am not a fan of AAC and like Apt-x and its lossless capability.


Edited by red71rum - 5/7/14 at 6:28am
post #251 of 382
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Have you tried these with a anything other than an Iphone? I think that the sound signature and dynamics would be different if you were using the Apt X codec. I have an I phone 5, but rather use them with my Galaxy Note 2 because I am not a fan of AAC. When used with the Note 2, Apt-X performs very well

I'm using AAC files, so the gain from APT-X is slim. The majority of sound from a BT headphone is impacted by the internals and less by software/source things.
post #252 of 382
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I'm using AAC files, so the gain from APT-X is slim. The majority of sound from a BT headphone is impacted by the internals and less by software/source things.


I don't use AAC myself, I am not an Apple fan(although because I am the IT person for my corporation, I oversee all the IOS devices). I use mostly FLAC. It would be interesting to see how the sound would be affected by changing the pads on the headphones. The Meelec rep told me that the pads are replaceable.


Edited by red71rum - 5/7/14 at 7:54am
post #253 of 382
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I do have the Matrix in hand with me now.  They are quite the headphone.  The design is actually quite pleasing aesthetically.  The carbon fiber adds a good textured and it isn't sitting behind a plane of plastic.  It's soft to the touch and adds a good complexity to the design.  The black and dark grey design works very well for it.  Build-wise, I feel it could be improved.  The hinges around the headband are really quite stiff.  They do, however, snap in and out of place very nicely.  Like the hinges, the sliding mechanism is stiff as well and does have click to certain spots for the OCD that need everything perfectly even on either end.

 

These are very lightweight, quite comfortable overall.  The pads are a little smaller than I though it'd be and a little thinner.  Although it's not enough for me to say it impacts too much, I do know a lot of people may find these not as comfortable, especially my big-eared friends :/  The seal is also a very light one, this helps with clamping force.  Isolation is very low with these unfortunately, so if that's what you're looking for, these won't do it.  They isolate somewhere between closed and open, more closer towards the open side. 

 

BT functions are all there, which is also a very nice touch.  The left housing has volume controls (for the internal amp) and a power button that also doubles as a voice control activator (for iOS devices anyways).  On the right side, you have skip and previous buttons as well as a play-pause button between them.  The skip and previous buttons have a little "bump" marker on them...  This is probably one of the few caveats I don't like about them, I know it's being picky, but from a blind and glove standpoint, it'd work a lot better if the bump were on the play/pause button.  APT-X as well as AAC are both supported (the MEE rep I'm working with, these are a review sample like all of my headphones, made sure to make sure I knew about the second one since I do run an iOS device).  So it's more universal than the previous MEE offerings in terms of hardware and OS. 

 

Now I know you're all dying to hear sound impressions, so I'll keep it short, I do need to adjust to the sound.  From a overall standpoint, I'm quite impressed.  The headphones are brighter overall.  The bass is very well balanced with a strong, well-defined impact that is actually tight and fast.  Bass depth can seem lacking at times unfortuantely, but for most things will do fine.  The midrange is extremely clear and presents details in a non-aggressive manner.  Dynamics are one main point I'll put across as not being the best.  In the treble regions, as I stated, it's bright.  The detailing is well done as well as the presence.  They can definitely be a bit too edgy/non-linear to some listeners, but overall, quite well performing.

 

That's my initial impression of them.  I know many of you are hoping for a comparison to other BT headphones, you'll have to wait for those unfortunately :/ 

 

Thanks much, :beerchug:

 

your initial review does sound promising. We all have to remember that these headphones are sub-$100, I actually have $84 including shipping invested. So far, they appear to be a winner. 


Edited by cehowardNote3 - 5/8/14 at 5:20am
post #254 of 382
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How does this pair of HK BT compare to your top rated bluetooth headphones the AF62 and the Bluebuds X?

Well that's the thing, it needs to be EQ'd in order to sound good (to me) and given I switch my sources around between PC, iPod Touch 4G & iPad, I dislike using EQ as the iDevices don't have custom EQ (haven't looked into donwloading an EQ app yet). There's also the matter that some of my material were mastered poorly and at super high dB so it clips even with minimal EQ gains. Without EQ, the mids are a bit overbearing and overall sound profile is slightly muddy.

 

The BlueBuds X (BBX) are just about sonically perfect to me. They have just the right amount of Bass, Mid & Treble and good sound stage (this is after a few years with MDR-EX500 as my only IEM). It's just such a wonderful sound profile and what I personally consider to be neutral (not colored). The other really important aspects about the BBX and the AF62 is that I can listen to them without any EQ (regardless of source player) and they both handle a great variety of genres really well (the BBX more so than the AF62). If there are but a few minor complaints:

- like the Photive PH-BTX6, the connection sounds are always at full blast (HEADPHONE CONNECTED!!)

- the cover for the charging port on the right bud is held in place by an extension and when capped, that extension can rattle a little

- it functions poorly as a headset - while I can hear well enough, the microphone port is positioned AWAY from one's mouth requiring me to hold on to it and face it towards my mouth in order to be heard

- when worn over the ears (wire routed behind the neck), the left and right ear buds are reversed, not a biggie for most music but not good for use when directional sound matters (movies, gaming, video editing, etc.). Would've been nice if it were able to detect use in such manner and auto-correct L & R positions.

 

I've noticed that as of late, it's been much more prone to interference than when I first received it and it also randomly disconnects for no apparent reason. Last but not least, the right "stalk" that the tip goes on is now loose. However, beyond that it's held up pretty well and the sound is still phenomenal to me after 1.5yrs of near daily use.

post #255 of 382
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How does this pair of HK BT compare to your top rated bluetooth headphones the AF62 and the Bluebuds X?

 

On the HK BT, I just hooked them up to a Fiio E18, plus Note 3, playing a FLAC file, oh boy, the HK BT sounds like it is on steroids. Just want to report that it takes a boost with the dac/amp.. However, I will mostly be using the HK BT with bluetooth.

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