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post #31 of 71
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

You should try demo'ing a good stereo hi-end setup at a shop sometime, with carefully placed speakers and proper acoustic treatment, 5.1 can't touch a stereo system in my opinion (for music).

 

He was talking about a stereo to 5:1 DSP, and I can verify that DSPs like that can significantly improve the sound of stereo music over plain 2 channel.

post #32 of 71
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
 

It's hard to judge any system by price alone without hearing it. But in a good room, and properly set up, just about any halfway decent speaker system will have better imaging of sound stage than headphones. When it comes to the balance of the response and clarity, cheaper headphones are more liable to do a good job than cheaper speakers. But with really good speakers, no headphone can compare. 5:1 has a definite edge over 2 channel if the system is set up for music, not home theater. But six really good speakers are much more expensive than just two.

 

 

Depends what kind of music you listen to, and how good the recording is. For big bands or orchestra, certainly a 5.1 system is better, but for small bands or jazz trios I disagree.

post #33 of 71
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Originally Posted by Depechetraff View Post
 

It is generally accepted that an apple is better than an orange.


Nice little joke :bigsmile_face: But which is the orange and which is the apple?

 

The original adage being cleverly paraphrased is really "It's like comparing apple to oranges" and that old adage truly applies in the case of comparing speakers to headphones. Headphones can provide a listener with an exceptional listening experience but then again so can speakers. I own several pairs of very good headphones and headphone amps and I also have several very good speaker based stereo/home theater setups. Each of these systems is capable of playing back music that is very enjoyable so I just avoid trying to compare speakers to headphones and enjoy whichever one I happen to be listening to at the time.

post #34 of 71

If you like speakers listen to speakers, if you like headphones listen to headphones. Trying to get one to sound like the other is an exercise in futility if ever there was one.

post #35 of 71
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

If you like speakers listen to speakers, if you like headphones listen to headphones. Trying to get one to sound like the other is an exercise in futility if ever there was one.

 or get a pair of AKG K1000. :floatsmile:

post #36 of 71
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 or get a pair of AKG K1000. :floatsmile:


Ah yes, those (in)famous "ear speakers".

post #37 of 71

Worth a try!

 

post #38 of 71
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Originally Posted by ralphp@optonline View Post
 


Ah yes, those (in)famous "ear speakers".

Those weird looking grey things? I heard they are horrible relative to modern headphones, especially something like an HD800, because of their dated technology.

post #39 of 71
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

Those weird looking grey things? I heard they are horrible relative to modern headphones, especially something like an HD800, because of their dated technology.

 

Much like the technology in your speakers compared to the HD800 then :wink:

post #40 of 71
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

Much like the technology in your speakers compared to the HD800 then :wink:

 

I'm just telling you what I heard from reviewers.

 

And there's no need for you to incessantly troll this thread with absurd statements, such as statements about how adding 3 speakers and a subwoofer to a system can somehow make jazz music sound worse, or specious analogies between advancement of speaker and headphone technology.

 

The OP asked a serious question, and we might still be able to get a serious poster to respond, despite your efforts to derail the thread.

 

Thanks.

post #41 of 71
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

 

I'm just telling you what I heard from reviewers.

 

And there's no need for you to incessantly troll this thread with absurd statements, such as statements about how adding 3 speakers and a subwoofer to a system can somehow make jazz music sound worse, or specious analogies between advancement of speaker and headphone technology.

 

The OP asked a serious question, and we might still be able to get a serious poster to respond, despite your efforts to derail the thread.

 

Thanks.

 

Whats gotten into you suddenly? I am certainly not trolling - the K1000 are loved by a great many head-fiers and are extremely rare to find because of that very reason. The fact that they are more like your speakers than a pair of HD800 is not trolling, it's exactly on point and follows my argument earlier, which also wasn't trolling. I never said adding 3 speakers and a subwoofer to a system will make jazz music sound worse?? Where did you get that from??

 

Also, aren't YOU the OP? :confused:

 

I suggest putting the crack pipe down for a bit :D 

post #42 of 71
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

Whats gotten into you suddenly? I am certainly not trolling  . .

 

I suggest putting the crack pipe down for a bit :D 

 

. . .

 

As I understand, head-fi isn't that kind of forum, but there are plenty of other places where you can derail efforts to gain information.

 

Edit: Here is where you said that adding speakers will help some music, but not jazz music.

 

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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

Depends what kind of music you listen to, and how good the recording is. For big bands or orchestra, certainly a 5.1 system is better, but for small bands or jazz trios I disagree.

 

You're just making intentionally absurd statements to troll the thread.


Edited by ag8908 - 3/16/14 at 9:42am
post #43 of 71
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

 

. . .

 

As I understand, head-fi isn't that kind of forum, but there are plenty of other places where you can derail efforts to gain information.

 

I think you should take a deep breath and reread my posts, I've been pretty much on topic...

 

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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post

 

 

Edit: Here is where you said that adding speakers will help some music, but not jazz music.

 

 

You're just making intentionally absurd statements to troll the thread.

 

 

Way to put words in my mouth. I gave a personal opinion which isn't trolling at all - I DO think for small bands and jazz trios, stereo sounds better than a 5.1 system, and when I say small band it isn't only jazz either, it means pretty much every rock band out there and a great deal of other genres as well. I prefer a forward presentation to a surround 'all around me' sound when it comes to listening to music that isn't "huge" sounding such as orchestras or jazz big bands. There's no trolling there and it wasn't a universal statement - just my personal preference, thus the "I disagree". Nothing absurd about it, and I'll have you know that I'm far from being the only one who prefers listening in stereo rather than 5.1.

 

Not to mention I would rather spend more money on 2 decent speakers than the same amount on 5.1 speakers.

 

edit: I feel I need to clarify my post above which apparently set you off without my meaning to: What I meant is that the K1000 is similar in the way it delivers sound to speakers (not just yours) than it is to HD800 drivers. I wasn't trying to insult you or say that your speakers are bad, simply that the HD800 was engineered in a different (more technologically advanced) way than your standard run-of-the-mill speakers (including mine, if that makes you feel better).

 

Anyway, no hard feelings.


Edited by elmoe - 3/16/14 at 9:58am
post #44 of 71
Thread Starter 

Thank you for killing the thread.

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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

I think you should take a deep breath and reread my posts . . .

 

Yeah you got me good. I'm sitting here short of breath and fuming with anger due to your manipulation of this thread. Good for you. If you could please take your talents to another thread that would be really swell. Thanks!

post #45 of 71

Yikes -- ok then.

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