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post #31 of 92
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

XP is much more light weight and less resource demanding than win7, not to mention much more stable for server use. It uses less RAM and less CPU and for what he needs to do it is the best windows to use, it enables him to build a much cheaper machine without using an OS that requires more resources, thus cutting cost on RAM and CPU/motherboard. Why would the bare minimum be win7 for a network connection? XP works just fine for that. This isn't a gaming rig or even a media center, all he wants is music playback.

Maybe short term. Windows XP Ram allocation is atrocious. XP after about 6 months use is so bogged down its useless due to logic in code and thats a proven fact. Have you ever tried to use an XP install thats more than a few months old? Its extremely slow. As a network engineer no way I would use XP on a media machine. XP is a huge security threat starting April 1st. If its going to have an internet connection I wouldnt touch it. RAM is also cheap. You can get 8Gbs (2x4Gb sticks) for $70 for top of the line RAM. Which would be over kill. 4Gbs of RAM at $40 on a Wi7 x64 bit OS would be plenty for music play back and would prevent the inherent security risks associated with XP.

 

Also 64 bit computing is the future. XP limits the PC to 4Gbs of RAM as well including any GPU RAM. If he has a 4Gb stick and a 512Mb GPU the system will only see and use 4Gbs of RAM. If he ever wants to upgrade to 8 or 32Gbs of RAM in the future he is going to have to shell out cash for Win7 64 bit OS and RAM instead of just RAM.

post #32 of 92
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Originally Posted by whitedragon551 View Post
 

Maybe short term. Windows XP Ram allocation is atrocious. XP after about 6 months use is so bogged down its useless due to logic in code and thats a proven fact. Have you ever tried to use an XP install thats more than a few months old? Its extremely slow. As a network engineer no way I would use XP on a media machine. XP is a huge security threat starting April 1st. If its going to have an internet connection I wouldnt touch it. RAM is also cheap. You can get 8Gbs (2x4Gb sticks) for $70 for top of the line RAM. Which would be over kill. 4Gbs of RAM at $40 on a Wi7 x64 bit OS would be plenty for music play back and would prevent the inherent security risks associated with XP.

 

Also 64 bit computing is the future. XP limits the PC to 4Gbs of RAM as well including any GPU RAM. If he has a 4Gb stick and a 512Mb GPU the system will only see and use 4Gbs of RAM. If he ever wants to upgrade to 8 or 32Gbs of RAM in the future he is going to have to shell out cash for Win7 64 bit OS and RAM instead of just RAM.

 

It depends on the service pack and on what use you make of the computer - if all he will do is play music then no, his XP install will not be bogged down after 6 months. As a network engineer you shouldn't be recommending a microsoft OS to begin with ;)

 

Ram being cheap is irrelevant, as for XP security risks that's a fallacy, any decent free anti virus/malware program will keep your XP install just as secure (in fact, probably more secure) than a legacy win7 install.

 

XP's ram limit is also irrelevant since all he would need is 2GB. Considering the PC he is building, there is no reason to upgrade anything in the future, he would have to replace pretty much everything anyway.

 

The argument is pointless anyway since his mind is set on win7 64bit and more ram, but for the use he will make of it, your arguments don't matter.


Edited by elmoe - 3/15/14 at 6:18am
post #33 of 92
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

It depends on the service pack and on what use you make of the computer - if all he will do is play music then no, his XP install will not be bogged down after 6 months. As a network engineer you shouldn't be recommending a microsoft OS to begin with ;)

 

Ram being cheap is irrelevant, as for XP security risks that's a fallacy, any decent free anti virus/malware program will keep your XP install just as secure (in fact, probably more secure) than a legacy win7 install.

 

XP's ram limit is also irrelevant since all he would need is 2GB. Considering the PC he is building, there is no reason to upgrade anything in the future, he would have to replace pretty much everything anyway.

 

The argument is pointless anyway since his mind is set on win7 64bit and more ram, but for the use he will make of it, your arguments don't matter.


RAM being cheap is relevant since you brought cost savings into the equation.  Last time I checked any decent antivirus/malware program doesnt provide kernel patches for a MS owned OS.

 

The fact of the matter is your trying to pidgeon hole this guy into buying already obsolete hardware and OS when in fact he shouldnt even be considering it.

post #34 of 92
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Originally Posted by Musica Amantem View Post

Great answers, thanks! I think I'm going with a desktop, after all.

Now, can I ask if an AMD APU A4-4000 3.0GHz Double Core /Vision Technology would suffice as a processor? I know these are warmer (larger) than Intel's and I also know Intel is better at computing but this last issue is irrelevant in this case. Can the AMD handle Win 7 at 64 bit without issues?

This would be convenient as I'm able to buy a STD setup that will accommodate everything else. Thanks!

The AMD A4-4000 is a pretty weak CPU. Sure, it might meet your needs at the moment. But if you can spend a little more on a machine with a little better processor, you might be glad you did in the future.
post #35 of 92
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Originally Posted by whitedragon551 View Post

Quit recommending XP. Its been obsolete for years and in 3 weeks is no longer supported. If its going to have a network connection absolute bare minimum is Windows 7.

I agree. Recommending Windows XP at this point goes against what 99.99% of the people knowledgeable about operating systems would suggest. It's ludicrous to suggest XP since it is obsolete.
post #36 of 92
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RAM being cheap is relevant since you brought cost savings into the equation.  Last time I checked any decent antivirus/malware program doesnt provide kernel patches for a MS owned OS.

 

The fact of the matter is your trying to pidgeon hole this guy into buying already obsolete hardware and OS when in fact he shouldnt even be considering it.

 

Yes, my goal coming in this thread is to waste people's money instead of helping them make better choices. :rolleyes:

 

He should be considering what is cheapest for the desired result, and that's a cheap 30 bucks copy on ebay vs 100+ for win7, and cheap hardware instead of 800 bucks worth that he will only use to run foobar on.

 

If anyone is trying to pigeon hole anyone it's the guys recommending he spends a hundred bucks on an OS that will force him to spend more money than required on hardware he doesn't need.

 

Not to mention he said absolutely nothing about needing this PC to be online. How is security even an issue here when all this machine is going to be doing is music playback? :rolleyes:

 

I have a core i5 2500K, a 660Ti, 8GB DDR3 all overclocked running on Win 8.1 64bit. But I use my rig for many things, not just music listening. For what he needs there is no point in having the man waste hard earned bucks on useless hardware. I'm quite sure that him wanting to build a "music only" PC means he has other means of going online, watching movies and playing video games.


Edited by elmoe - 3/15/14 at 7:19am
post #37 of 92

anyone recommending Apple computers...?

i go crazy whenever windows wanna update 27files upon opening or shutdown...on my home desktop,

 

For music...

iam just using a quiet oldMcAir...loaded with Audirvana music software over ITUNES...

the itune library is pointed to an external portable 2TB disk...

(and i hv an old ipad...wifi ing all my music thru itunes ..walking around the house.)

Apple laptop opens up in an instant..shuts down double quick...

and the fear of viruses is v low..( :P )

 

Later on i might be taking my 2TB LIVE thru a portable disk linked to a home router...

and access those music when i am in town.

 

I am no techqie...this is my train of tot now.


Edited by Lorspeaker - 3/15/14 at 7:33am
post #38 of 92
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post

If anyone is trying to pigeon hole anyone it's the guys recommending he spends a hundred bucks on an OS that will force him to spend more money than required on hardware he doesn't need.

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The OP wants to buy a computer, not build your proposed machine. Which was not great advice to begin with since there are often factory refurbs in the <$400 range that are difficult to build by buying separate parts for the same money, and one essentially gets a newer OS for free.

Musica Amantem: Sorry. I don't want to wade through the XP/build your own computer argument here. Can you recap? What's your budget? And did you decide on a laptop vs. desktop? We could take a look at slickdeals very quickly and see what kind of good values are out there.
post #39 of 92
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


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The OP wants to buy a computer, not build your proposed machine. Which was not great advice to begin with since there are often factory refurbs in the <$400 range that are difficult to build by buying separate parts for the same money, and one essentially gets a newer OS for free.

Musica Amantem: Sorry. I don't want to wade through the XP/build your own computer argument here. Can you recap? What's your budget? And did you decide on a laptop vs. desktop? We could take a look at slickdeals very quickly and see what kind of good values are out there.

 

The OP wants to build a cheap machine for music, taking into considering noise. Factory refurbs with no fans do not exist, especially under 400 bucks, and they're usually incredibly noisy, so that's definitely the worst advice yet. He is already set on win7 anyway, so you are arguing without having read the thread or the OP's post, and I seem to be the only one in here reading them in fact, since you're still beating that dead horse and can't spend 2 minutes reading a 3 pages thread. :rolleyes:

post #40 of 92
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post

The OP wants to build a cheap machine for music, taking into considering noise. Factory refurbs with no fans do not exist, especially under 400 bucks, and they're usually incredibly noisy, so that's definitely the worst advice yet. He is already set on win7 anyway, so you are arguing without having read the thread or the OP's post, and I seem to be the only one in here reading them in fact, since you're still beating that dead horse and can't spend 2 minutes reading a 3 pages thread. rolleyes.gif

So he's already decided on Windows 7, and you continued then to clog the thread with the XP argument?

It wouldn't be expensive to switch out some fans if necessary.

Go argue with someone else. rolleyes.gif
post #41 of 92
If you want a desktop, here's a Lenovo H530 4GB DDR3 1TB HDD for under $400. It's not going to be running heavily under a load streaming music. If you feel the power supply is too noisy, you could always switch it out later on.
post #42 of 92
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


So he's already decided on Windows 7, and you continued then to clog the thread with the XP argument?

It wouldn't be expensive to switch out some fans if necessary.

Go argue with someone else. rolleyes.gif

 

You're the ones clogging this thread, I'm just replying with constructive and informative arguments instead of turning this thread into an ePeen contest.

 

Switching out some fans would mean a higher temperature inside the case, and he would have to buy a new fanless cooler even though he paid for an already built PC with a fan cooler. Not only pointless but more expensive. Not to mention the noisy PSU he would need to switch out for a fanless one. So basically if he buys the above PC he would need to spend close to 200 bucks more to get a decently noise-free system, that's 600usd next to my build at 400, which will actually come in even cheaper since he went for a cheaper CPU (a good idea), I think he can probably make it work for ~300-350.

 

If you don't want to argue then don't reply to my post, I for one don't mind one bit discussing the best solution so the OP can make up his own mind as to what fits him best. :) 


Edited by elmoe - 3/15/14 at 8:13am
post #43 of 92
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post

You're the ones clogging this thread, I'm just replying with constructive and informative arguments instead of turning this thread into an ePeen contest.

Switching out some fans would mean a higher temperature inside the case, and he would have to buy a new fanless cooler even though he paid for an already built PC with a fan cooler. Not only pointless but more expensive.

If you don't want to argue then don't reply to my post, I for one don't mind one bit discussing the best solution so the OP can make up his own mind as to what fits him best. smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Go argue with someone else. rolleyes.gif
post #44 of 92

Still replying and clogging up the thread huh? :D

post #45 of 92

i have a neko dac hooked up to BHSE. I also have electrocompaniet ecd-2 which have USB input. I vastly preferred the neko thats why i go for converter. I tried nothing short of Meitner MA-1 DAC on my system and still it cannot compared to the Neko on my setup. It maybe not the last word in terms of resolution but the analog feelings simply not there with all the DAC I've tried. And Neko is launched during the time of USB dacs starts to pop up.

 

We are in the world of audiophile, sometimes convenience did not exist......Also CMIIW, USB implementation in audio still behind vs SPDIF, but thats another discussion again

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