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post #16 of 62
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Originally Posted by MrTechAgent View Post

The 840s are good , they are not at all similar to the 1540 according to the things I have heard about the 1540 , the 1540 is having a good bass impact but is dark , rolled off treble .the 840s on the other hand are similar sounding to the CD900ST which obviously does not present the signature you like.

I enjoy SRH840 and it's fine if OP doesn't, but it sounded nothing like CD900ST to me. That guy at Headfonia is off (as usual).
post #17 of 62
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Originally Posted by MrTechAgent View Post
 

 

The 840s are good , they are not at all similar to the 1540 according to the things I have heard about the 1540 , the 1540 is having a good bass impact but is dark , rolled off treble .the 840s on the other hand are similar sounding to the CD900ST which obviously does not present the signature you like 

 

This gentleman in the video owns the V-Modas and loves them , this is what he thinks about the 1540  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PudbV2Sp8HU 

That video makes me wanna kill myself... it's so f-ing boring...  I have yet to see anyone describe them as dark, in fact it's usually the opposite.  I personally found the v-modas to have too much sub-bass but to be fair I only listened to them for 10 minutes at a Brookstone demo booth with some flac files of mine.

post #18 of 62
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That video makes me wanna kill myself... it's so f-ing boring...  I have yet to see anyone describe them as dark, in fact it's usually the opposite.  I personally found the v-modas to have too much sub-bass but to be fair I only listened to them for 10 minutes at a Brookstone demo booth with some flac files of mine.

Yeah Dale has an unusual style of making videos , but it's 100% accurate , he runs test tones too see any spikes or roll offs , I think he mentioned somewhere in the comments that some reviewers stated the Shures to be bright and some stated it to be dark , so ......I haven't tried the 1540s myself , can't tell

But I trust his reviews more than anybody else's , he always spot on , he owns pretty much all the headphones there are , he sold all his Summit-Fi gear to settle with Mid-Fi believe it or not
Edited by MrTechAgent - 3/12/14 at 7:22pm
post #19 of 62
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Originally Posted by MrTechAgent View Post


Yeah Dale has an unusual style of making videos , but it's 100% accurate , he runs test tones too see any spikes or roll offs , I think he mentioned somewhere in the comments that some reviewers stated the Shures to be bright and some stated it to be dark , so ......I haven't tried the 1540s myself , can't tell

But I trust his reviews more than anybody else's , he always spot on , he owns pretty much all the headphones there are , he sold all his Summit-Fi gear to settle with Mid-Fi believe it or not

I don't believe he's a bad reviewer but I don't agree with all of his impressions for the 1540s which I'm currently wearing.  I don't find the 1540s to be bright or dark, personally, I probably shouldn't of said "the opposite of dark" but I do find them far from dark.  I don't like that dale posted his review everywhere, I ran into him linking or re-posting his review at least 12 times while I was researching the 1540s.  On his original review he seemed wishy-washy on his opinion of them which I didn't like but I guess opinions can change overtime.  I try to read all reviews that exist for cans that I'm looking at, good or bad.

post #20 of 62
Thread Starter 

I'm definitely curious about the 1540s now. Gonna go try a pair out tomorrow along with some HE-400s/500s. Not much else around here I can get my hands on, though. Maybe the Senn 650s, but that's all. I mean, yeah, Audeze as well, but that's not really on my radar.

post #21 of 62
Thread Starter 

c&p from the M100 thread since I think this is good info for anyone reading in here and curious like I was.

 

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So today, I went to a HiFi store and sampled the following:

 

- HiFiman HE-400

- Sennheiser HD800

- Denon AH-D7100

- Shure SRH1840

- Audeze LCD2

- Grado RS1i

- Grado PS500

 

All off of a Burson Conductor (an $1800 amp) using my iPhone 5s as a source.

 

I spent about 2 hours auditioning all of them, using music from a variety of my styles (metal, rap, electronic, post-rock, post-metal). I had a credit card in my hand and was ready to purchase something. You know what happened?

 

...I went home with my M100's. It was a 115 mile drive and I really, REALLY wanted for one of them to floor me and turn into my new "at-home" pair and the M100s remain my portables. Unfortunately, there just wasn't anything on that list that particularly impressed me. The HE-400's sounded really nice, but the low end was lacking. Say "accurate" all you want, the point was that I had to focus really hard for the low frequencies. The LCD2 was better, but hardly impressive. The RS1i... I don't even know who would enjoy that. It was ALL treble. The PS500s were close to being a winner, they sounded burly and aggressive, but the frequency just COLLAPSED under about 50-60Hz. 

 

Out of the above, the best two were the HD800s and the D7100's. The problem with the former was obviously price ($1600 for the cans plus a big amp to power them), and the latter just felt like the M100s with a bigger soundstage. It wasn't a significant improvement and didn't add much beyond more "air" to the sound. Yes, I understand why some people love the Audeze's. If you list to delicate music, these are sublime. I tested some acoustic and piano tracks and it absolutely sounded like I was sitting beside the instruments. Unfortunately, for more energetic music, all that stuff lacked the "oomph", and the ones that could keep up with the M100's didn't add enough to warrant purchasing a new pair and amplifier.

 

Again, keep in mind, this isn't rationalization. I had the money ready to go. I had heard so much about all of these that I wanted to have a high end setup, but I sat there, more than a little underwhelmed, kind of chuckling at the fact that I could run the M100's straight off of my iPhone and get a more lively experience (at the expense of clarity and openness) than headphones that cost more than twice as much. I admit that this is partly because of WHAT music I used (320kbps mp3, mind), and if my listening habits trended more toward "live" type recordings of orchestral or acoustic instruments my experience would be different, but... I actually stayed a lot longer than I meant to because I refused to believe that the M100s were keeping pace or surpassing these expensive products.

 

My enjoyment of the D7100s leaves me wondering what the Fostex TH600/900 or the OLD D7000's sounded like, but I know right now that I have no real interest in open-back or planars. The HD800s, admittedly, sounded SUBLIME (and were way more comfortable than they had any right to be), but until I have $2000 that I need to get rid of I'm not going that route.

 

So here's the take home: if you have the M100s and you love them (meaning, you're not trying to EQ away problems you have)? You're not gonna find anything under $1000 that can pull you away. The Shure SRH1540s were actually pretty dang good, but... didn't seem like any appeal over them. The main appeal of the two I liked were that they were "bigger" and so they had all the power but a wider soundstage and separation. I honestly couldn't tell if the speakers were better or if it was just due to the M100 cups being cramped. 

 

Got a couple neat pics though.

 

 

post #22 of 62

In defense of the audezes, they're excellent but it's just that they don't have an single gram of wow factor. You really have to spend a long time with them to appreciate how well they play pretty much everything.

 

I agree on grados being sinfully bright.

 

The old d7000 was the best basshead headphone i've ever had the pleasure of hearing. If i ever want to get a bass heavy closed phone, i'd get those.

 

And yea, the m100 is one of the better mid-fi phones (for bass heads), so everything above it is a case of diminishing returns. Not to mention once you get over the hd800's soundstage wow effect, you'd probably end up disliking them unless you have an amp that can tame it.

post #23 of 62
Thread Starter 

I am going to say that I do not believe the Audezes will ever be a choice for metal/rap/electronic music. They did sound crystal clear with a great soundstage, but I cannot imagine them EVER doing particularly well with bass-heavy genres, at least not without a crazy amount of EQ.

post #24 of 62
They're amazing for metal. A lot of metal is mastered brightly, And the audeze does a good job of making it friendly for my ears while keeping vocals and detail untouched. As for the other two, there are certainly better choices if they're the main focus. Keep in mind this is coming from a guy who used to be a neutralhead. The audezes are slowly changing my preferences to a smoother sound though.
post #25 of 62
Thread Starter 

If you like 'em for metal then more power to you, but I fired a bunch of metal at them and it sounded too scratchy and treble-leaning for my liking. The kick drums had no impact. I suppose if you listen to metal and only focus on the guitars it'll work, but the bass and drum kit just did nothing. But they were a lot better than the HE-400's, I'll say that. Maybe the LCD-X nails it, but that's $1500 above the M100s, so pfeh. 

post #26 of 62
The lcdx are brighter, so definitely not.

At least you know to stay away from neutral (hd800) or warm, slightly bass accentuated (LCD2). My original recommendations still stand. D7k used or the recent high end fostex phones, the th600/900
post #27 of 62
Thread Starter 

I'm starting to think open-back just doesn't work for people who enjoy bass, because if the LCD2 is considered "bass accentuated" then I'm never gonna end up with a pair of opens. 

 

Definitely got my eye on the Fostex/Denon. Shame there's really nowhere to try 'em out. 

post #28 of 62
Its actually bass balanced, but since people call cans like the hd800 neutral, (which clearly has less bass than the audezes) that's why I said it like that.

And yes, open cans just won't do it. Just a driver design limitation. The same reason why good subwoofers have carefully designed enclosures.
post #29 of 62
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

c&p from the M100 thread since I think this is good info for anyone reading in here and curious like I was.

 

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So today, I went to a HiFi store and sampled the following:

 

- HiFiman HE-400

- Sennheiser HD800

- Denon AH-D7100

- Shure SRH1840

- Audeze LCD2

- Grado RS1i

- Grado PS500

 

All off of a Burson Conductor (an $1800 amp) using my iPhone 5s as a source.

 

I spent about 2 hours auditioning all of them, using music from a variety of my styles (metal, rap, electronic, post-rock, post-metal). I had a credit card in my hand and was ready to purchase something. You know what happened?

 

...I went home with my M100's. It was a 115 mile drive and I really, REALLY wanted for one of them to floor me and turn into my new "at-home" pair and the M100s remain my portables. Unfortunately, there just wasn't anything on that list that particularly impressed me. The HE-400's sounded really nice, but the low end was lacking. Say "accurate" all you want, the point was that I had to focus really hard for the low frequencies. The LCD2 was better, but hardly impressive. The RS1i... I don't even know who would enjoy that. It was ALL treble. The PS500s were close to being a winner, they sounded burly and aggressive, but the frequency just COLLAPSED under about 50-60Hz. 

 

Out of the above, the best two were the HD800s and the D7100's. The problem with the former was obviously price ($1600 for the cans plus a big amp to power them), and the latter just felt like the M100s with a bigger soundstage. It wasn't a significant improvement and didn't add much beyond more "air" to the sound. Yes, I understand why some people love the Audeze's. If you list to delicate music, these are sublime. I tested some acoustic and piano tracks and it absolutely sounded like I was sitting beside the instruments. Unfortunately, for more energetic music, all that stuff lacked the "oomph", and the ones that could keep up with the M100's didn't add enough to warrant purchasing a new pair and amplifier.

 

Again, keep in mind, this isn't rationalization. I had the money ready to go. I had heard so much about all of these that I wanted to have a high end setup, but I sat there, more than a little underwhelmed, kind of chuckling at the fact that I could run the M100's straight off of my iPhone and get a more lively experience (at the expense of clarity and openness) than headphones that cost more than twice as much. I admit that this is partly because of WHAT music I used (320kbps mp3, mind), and if my listening habits trended more toward "live" type recordings of orchestral or acoustic instruments my experience would be different, but... I actually stayed a lot longer than I meant to because I refused to believe that the M100s were keeping pace or surpassing these expensive products.

 

My enjoyment of the D7100s leaves me wondering what the Fostex TH600/900 or the OLD D7000's sounded like, but I know right now that I have no real interest in open-back or planars. The HD800s, admittedly, sounded SUBLIME (and were way more comfortable than they had any right to be), but until I have $2000 that I need to get rid of I'm not going that route.

 

So here's the take home: if you have the M100s and you love them (meaning, you're not trying to EQ away problems you have)? You're not gonna find anything under $1000 that can pull you away. The Shure SRH1540s were actually pretty dang good, but... didn't seem like any appeal over them. The main appeal of the two I liked were that they were "bigger" and so they had all the power but a wider soundstage and separation. I honestly couldn't tell if the speakers were better or if it was just due to the M100 cups being cramped. 

 

Got a couple neat pics though.

Where is this place because I wanna go there?  What's it called?  It would be cool to check out the D7100s given I enjoyed the D600s.

post #30 of 62
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Byrnie View Post
 

Where is this place because I wanna go there?  What's it called?  It would be cool to check out the D7100s given I enjoyed the D600s.

 

HiDef Lifestyle in Harrisburg PA. It's a HUGE HiFi A/V store (tons of showrooms) with one big area for headphone stuff. 

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