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post #16 of 43
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Just doing some more reading and have come across another contender the KRK RP6 RoKit G3 SE. http://www.thomann.de/ie/krk_rp6_rokit_g3_se_bundle.htm

How do these weigh up against the A5+? They are small bit cheaper in Ireland at €375 compared to €400 for the a5+
post #17 of 43
The major disadvantage of the A5+ vs separate passive speakers and receiver is the lack of flexibility. Should you decide later on that you would like to build a 3.1 or 5.1 for home theater, the A5+ are a very poor choice.

Also, you would not need to buy an expensive NAD or Cambridge Audio amp. An entry level audio/video receiver would work very well.
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The major disadvantage of the A5+ vs separate passive speakers and receiver is the lack of flexibility. Should you decide later on that you would like to build a 3.1 or 5.1 for home theater, the A5+ are a very poor choice.

Also, you would not need to buy an expensive NAD or Cambridge Audio amp. An entry level audio/video receiver would work very well.

Actually it's much easier to integrate a pair of active speakers into a surround setup, than to transform a stereo amp-passive speakers into a surround setup.

You can use the actives as fronts (connected to the monitor out of the receiver) and the rest of the passives for center and rears.

 

Also cheap surround receivers make very poor amplifiers in a stereo setup. Plus the price difference between a cheap Cambridge and a cheap Yamaha receiver is very small or non existent.

Just for kicks: on amazon uk, both Cambridge Topaz AM10 and the entry level Yamaha RVX375 cost exactly the same -  169 pounds.


Edited by Bobby S - 3/10/14 at 2:45pm
post #20 of 43
Actually, it's very costly to do what you are describing. Entry and mid level receivers are generally no longer providing line level outputs for the channels. Furthermore, it would be impossible to timbre match a center channel to the A5+.

An inexpensive AVR and decent set of passive speakers could easily equal the SQ of the A5+
post #21 of 43
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Just doing some more reading and have come across another contender the KRK RP6 RoKit G3 SE. http://www.thomann.de/ie/krk_rp6_rokit_g3_se_bundle.htm

How do these weigh up against the A5+? They are small bit cheaper in Ireland at €375 compared to €400 for the a5+

Here's a comparison made by a fellow headfier with the previous generations of both (speakers). I imagine the current models would be the same relative to each other.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/564898/audioengine-a5-vs-krk-rokit-rp6-g2-nice

post #22 of 43
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Actually, it's very costly to do what you are describing. Entry and mid level receivers are generally no longer providing line level outputs for the channels. Furthermore, it would be impossible to timbre match a center channel to the A5+.

An inexpensive AVR and decent set of passive speakers could easily equal the SQ of the A5+

The monitor out is present in just about any cheap AVR. You may not get the full 5.1, but you do get a stereo output, which is always connected to the front channels.

 

Matching is always a problem when you expand from stereo to surround. Unless the speakers you buy have a center model in their range you're bound to run into the same issue.

 

As to the comparison to the A5's I'm not so sure. 

You need really good and easy to drive speakers to really get quality sound out of a cheap AVR. And they don't come cheap.


Edited by Bobby S - 3/10/14 at 3:02pm
post #23 of 43
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I think I prefer the A5+ over the KRK as the KRK is more for studio recording from what I can make out. I think I will be choosing from the A5+ and the AktiMate mini+. Any suggestions on what would be a better choice from these two??
post #24 of 43
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The monitor out is present in just about any cheap AVR. You may not get the full 5.1, but you do get a stereo output, which is always connected to the front channels.

I'd have to be convinced that the monitor out would achieve the same for the front channels as pre-outs with multichannel. My guess is that you would potentially lose DSP functionality, including room correction.
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Matching is always a problem when you expand from stereo to surround. Unless the speakers you buy have a center model in their range you're bound to run into the same issue.

Making this up? Matching is not a problem. A very, very large majority of passive speakers have matching center channels. For instance, ALL of the passive speakers you previously recommended have matching center channels. Pretty easy to pick some passive speakers that can be expanded into an HT setup. LOL
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As to the comparison to the A5's I'm not so sure.
You need really good and easy to drive speakers to really get quality sound out of a cheap AVR. And they don't come cheap.

That's not my experience, and their are plenty of people over in the AVS 2 channel audio forum--very knowledgeable people--that regularly recommend them. Most AVRs will produce plenty of clean power for a pair of passive speakers. Could be as much or more than the A5s are capable of. They are only 50 watts RMS.
post #25 of 43

OK, I'm not going to continue the argument.

It's obvious that getting a pair of passives with an AVR is much easier to expand into a full surround setup.

 

 

As for cheap AVR, I don't have the same appreciation for their quality as you do.

Yes, if you throw good enough speakers at them they will eventually sound good...


Edited by Bobby S - 3/10/14 at 5:09pm
post #26 of 43
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It's obvious that getting a pair of passives with an AVR is much easier to expand into a full surround setup.

That's what I said. If you don't what you were talking about, why did you disagree to begin with? LOL
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As for cheap AVR, we have a completely different appreciation for their quality. Yes you can make them sound good if you throw good enough speakers at them, but that's more akin to turd polishing than a good setup.

Nah. It's much like headphones. With a €300- €400 budget, spending more on electronics gives one less bang for the buck than putting much more into the speakers. Increases in amp quality give the least amount of SQ gain. Buying an expensive amp and putting cheap speakers with it is the "turd polishing" approach.
post #27 of 43
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 That's what I said. If you don't what you were talking about, why did you disagree to begin with? LOL

Perhaps you should read again what I actually wrote. That usually helps.

 

 

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 Nah. It's much like headphones. With a €300- €400 budget, spending more on electronics gives one less bang for the buck than putting much more into the speakers. Increases in amp quality give the least amount of SQ gain. Buying an expensive amp and putting cheap speakers with it is the "turd polishing" approach.

The problem is we're talking about amps that cost the same mate.

For any given AVR you can find better quality stereo amps costing the same or less.

 

There's no  other advantage to an AVR other than to make a surround setup around it. For stereo only it's a poor choice


Edited by Bobby S - 3/10/14 at 5:24pm
post #28 of 43
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Perhaps you should read again what I actually wrote. That usually helps.

I feel like I'm being trolled.
post #29 of 43
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Short answer: there is no "best"!

 

But there are similarly good options. It's up to the buyer to decide which suits him more (based on sound, features, price, and so on).

To give you a starter point I'll list some good amplifiers and speakers and you can go from there.

 

Amps : NAD 316 BEE, Cambridge Audio Topaz AM10 or Azur 351A, Exposure 1010, etc

Speakers: Wharfedale Diamond 10.1, DALI Zensor 1, Monitor Audio BX1, PSB Image B4 or B6, Audioengine P4, etc.

that is a great list. Since the OP apparently lives in the UK they should be able to get the Diamonds for 100 pounds or less, which is a steal...

Amp-wise I would also consider the NAD D 3020  "digital amp" which may be very convenient if your music lives in your iPod and computers.

post #30 of 43
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I actually live in Ireland so the choice of suppliers isn't as good. In any case ive just ordered the A5+ and hoping to have them by this Friday. Can't wait now!!
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