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post #3001 of 3470
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Your experience with the 1200 (1100) and small ears sounds to me like you couldn't get a good fit, because imo their treble is actually the most benign of the series.

Here was happened when I demoed them...

 

I am not an experienced audiophile; have minor hearing loss (due to excessive exposure to bomb blasts/gunfire/helicopters); and am extremely sensitive to high pitch sounds so please do take my findings with a grain of salt. The following was how I came to choose the 750s over the 650s/850s/1200s.

 

I used the following recordings (all in 256/320 Kbps AAC format... I am unable to distinguish any difference in bit rates higher than this) and listened to them in this order for nearly two hours when comparing the JVC HA-FX650 /750/850/1200 IEMs with one other:

  • Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30: Prelude (Sonnenaufgang aka Sunrise) - Karajan/Berlin Philharmonic; 1973
  • Mahler - Symphony No. 2 in C Minor "Resurrection": I. Allegro Maestoso; Rattle/Berlin Philharmonic; 2010 (first five minutes only)
  • Jarre - Oxygene, Part 2 (first two minutes only)
  • Daft Punk - Sea of Simulation and Derezzed (Tron: Legacy)
  • Robert Plant - In the Mood
  • Paul McCartney - Every Night (Live on MTV Unplugged)

Please note: The HA-FX650s didn't even make it past the Also sprach listening tests... the details just weren't there... no where close to the rest of the FX line so I abandoned them.

 

Sound Quality Overall the 750s seemed to be warmer (more natural and detailed) and pleasant sounding to me... the lows were cleaner (clearer) and the highs very natural without any shrill or distortion... much more so than the 850s and even the 1200s. I honestly felt like the bass was more controlled on the 750s and therefore more powerful and cleaner sounding. It was must noticeable on the classical pieces especially with percussion, string, and wood instruments. I did not like the highs on the 850s at all and due to my sensitive ears the highs on both the 1200s and especially 850s actually irritated and bothered me and I immediately knew that I would fatigue easily using them. The biggest turnoff with the 1200s is that although they sounded the most like open headphones and offered what I believe is called an improved sound stage they were too hard for me to listen too... almost if they were pushing the music too hard... they were harsh; I hope that makes sense. Please feel free to correct me on that if I am using the wrong terminology.  Timbre monsters.

Fit and Comfort The FX750s were perfect for my ears and remind me of the IE80s... the 850s and 1200s are however much bigger IEMs and felt heavier. The 1200s were simply too difficult to insert and fell out easily (I have small ears)... and this is coming from a user of Shure SE535LTD-Js!!! The 1200s were easily thrice as hard to find/secure a good seal than my 535s which til this day still require a few adjustments to find that perfect seal and fit.

Listening Volume The most important factor to me after fit/comfort... I found that I actually could listen to the 750s at a lower volume than the 850s and even more so than with the 1200s. This might have been due to the fact that I was listening straight from my iPhone 5 un-amped... though they are all very low impedance IEMs with high sensitivity???

Isolation There was no big difference between any of the FX models as they are all vented (however, due to their smaller size the 750s were easier to deeply insert into my ears and thus offered in my case a slight edge in isolation). The FX series are definitely not as isolating as my Shure SE535LTS-Js or SENN IE80s... with that said my first extended listening session with the 750s was on a seven hour plus flight from Bangkok to Cairo and they isolated well enough for air travel for me to use them again.

Cable Besides being smaller, one big difference between the 750s and the 850s/1200s is that the cable is not detachable. That is not important to me as I am very careful when using my headphones and actually like the fact that the 750s are even lighter due to a fixed cable system.

Carrying Case The provided carrying case with all the FX IEM series is an added bonus and is very well made and functional (albeit large and bulky it does protect your investment without a doubt).

Price I had gone in expecting to buy the 1200s so price wasn't an issue in my choosing the 750s... it just turned out to be a nice surprise in savings!!!

An Aside What really shocked me was how well the FX Wood IEM line performed with Ambient Electronic... I nearly melted my face off listening to Daft Punk's Tron: Legacy tracks. I am blown away by the completely different presentation of Jarre's work from my Shures. This really surprised me. I had figured that the JVC might play classical better but electronic as well?!

post #3002 of 3470
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Originally Posted by WoodyLuvr View Post
 

I used the following recordings (all in 256/320 Kbps AAC format... I am unable to distinguish any difference in bit rates higher than this)

 

All said.

post #3003 of 3470
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Originally Posted by Paulus XII View Post
 

 

All said.

Slow burn here... you lost me???

post #3004 of 3470
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Originally Posted by Paulus XII View Post
 

 

All said.


Duh?

320Kbps AAC is a format that 99.99% of human beings cannot distinguish from a lossless format. More than good enough for me. And his review is extremely helpful. 

post #3005 of 3470
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Originally Posted by WoodyLuvr View Post

Slow burn here... you lost me???

Just a mean spirited comment, ignore.... Thanks for your insightful post! smily_headphones1.gif
post #3006 of 3470
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Originally Posted by Paulus XII View Post
 

All said.

 

As far as I am concerned: no. The differences even between high-end IEMs are easily noticeable with 256/320 Kbps AAC.

 

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Originally Posted by WoodyLuvr View Post
 

Here was happened when I demoed them...

 

I am not an experienced audiophile; have minor hearing loss (due to excessive exposure to bomb blasts/gunfire/helicopters); and am extremely sensitive to high pitch sounds so please do take my findings with a grain of salt. The following was how I came to choose the 750s over the 650s/850s/1200s.

 

I used the following recordings (all in 256/320 Kbps AAC format... I am unable to distinguish any difference in bit rates higher than this) and listened to them in this order for nearly two hours when comparing the JVC HA-FX650 /750/850/1200 IEMs with one other:

  • Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30: Prelude (Sonnenaufgang aka Sunrise) - Karajan/Berlin Philharmonic; 1973
  • Mahler - Symphony No. 2 in C Minor "Resurrection": I. Allegro Maestoso; Rattle/Berlin Philharmonic; 2010 (first five minutes only)
  • Jarre - Oxygene, Part 2 (first two minutes only)
  • Daft Punk - Sea of Simulation and Derezzed (Tron: Legacy)
  • Robert Plant - In the Mood
  • Paul McCartney - Every Night (Live on MTV Unplugged)

Please note: The HA-FX650s didn't even make it past the Also sprach listening tests... the details just weren't there... no where close to the rest of the FX line so I abandoned them.

 

Sound Quality Overall the 750s seemed to be warmer (more natural and detailed) and pleasant sounding to me... the lows were cleaner (clearer) and the highs very natural without any shrill or distortion... much more so than the 850s and even the 1200s. I honestly felt like the bass was more controlled on the 750s and therefore more powerful and cleaner sounding. It was must noticeable on the classical pieces especially with percussion, string, and wood instruments. I did not like the highs on the 850s at all and due to my sensitive ears the highs on both the 1200s and especially 850s actually irritated and bothered me and I immediately knew that I would fatigue easily using them. The biggest turnoff with the 1200s is that although they sounded the most like open headphones and offered what I believe is called an improved sound stage they were too hard for me to listen too... almost if they were pushing the music too hard... they were harsh; I hope that makes sense. Please feel free to correct me on that if I am using the wrong terminology.  Timbre monsters.

Fit and Comfort The FX750s were perfect for my ears and remind me of the IE80s... the 850s and 1200s are however much bigger IEMs and felt heavier. The 1200s were simply too difficult to insert and fell out easily (I have small ears)... and this is coming from a user of Shure SE535LTD-Js!!! The 1200s were easily thrice as hard to find/secure a good seal than my 535s which til this day still require a few adjustments to find that perfect seal and fit.

Listening Volume The most important factor to me after fit/comfort... I found that I actually could listen to the 750s at a lower volume than the 850s and even more so than with the 1200s. This might have been due to the fact that I was listening straight from my iPhone 5 un-amped... though they are all very low impedance IEMs with high sensitivity???

Isolation There was no big difference between any of the FX models as they are all vented (however, due to their smaller size the 750s were easier to deeply insert into my ears and thus offered in my case a slight edge in isolation). The FX series are definitely not as isolating as my Shure SE535LTS-Js or SENN IE80s... with that said my first extended listening session with the 750s was on a seven hour plus flight from Bangkok to Cairo and they isolated well enough for air travel for me to use them again.

Cable Besides being smaller, one big difference between the 750s and the 850s/1200s is that the cable is not detachable. That is not important to me as I am very careful when using my headphones and actually like the fact that the 750s are even lighter due to a fixed cable system.

Carrying Case The provided carrying case with all the FX IEM series is an added bonus and is very well made and functional (albeit large and bulky it does protect your investment without a doubt).

Price I had gone in expecting to buy the 1200s so price wasn't an issue in my choosing the 750s... it just turned out to be a nice surprise in savings!!!

An Aside What really shocked me was how well the FX Wood IEM line performed with Ambient Electronic... I nearly melted my face off listening to Daft Punk's Tron: Legacy tracks. I am blown away by the completely different presentation of Jarre's work from my Shures. This really surprised me. I had figured that the JVC might play classical better but electronic as well?!

 

Excellent writeup / impressions! And I agree on everything but treble. :p

 

I have the 750 / 850 / 1100, and the former two are actually pretty similar in treble, which makes me think that you failed to get a good fit with the larger 850. If anything, the 850 are a bit smoother up top than the 750, which coincides with the measurements I've seen. To my ears, the 1100's treble is the most polite of the bunch... but again, if you don't get a good fit, you're likely to get treble resonance and they'll sound sharp / harsh.

post #3007 of 3470

Sorry, my bad, I understood 256-320k mp3. lol ; )

post #3008 of 3470
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Excellent writeup / impressions! And I agree on everything but treble. :p

 

I have the 750 / 850 / 1100, and the former two are actually pretty similar in treble, which makes me think that you failed to get a good fit with the larger 850. If anything, the 850 are a bit smoother up top than the 750, which coincides with the measurements I've seen. To my ears, the 1100's treble is the most polite of the bunch... but again, if you don't get a good fit, you're likely to get treble resonance and they'll sound sharp / harsh.

Thank you.  Yes, I definitely had a fitting issue with the 1200s and even 850s. Please note that I am slightly hearing impaired and the damage to my ears makes me very sensitive to certain frequencies and sounds.  The 1200s and 850s unfortunately were just in that painful and annoying region for me.


Edited by WoodyLuvr - 4/25/15 at 1:11pm
post #3009 of 3470
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Originally Posted by Paulus XII View Post
 

Sorry, my bad, I understood 256-320k mp3. lol ; )

No need to apologize I should have been more clear.  I only have/use 256 to 320 kps AAC files due to my f'd up hearing... I simply can not distinguish or benefit from anything higher than that.  I offered the information as I thought that maybe people with healthy hearing may notice something different than I and also would need higher bit rates to distinguish between the FX models. Cheers.

post #3010 of 3470
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Just click the link in my signature.

Very interesting, thank you.  I will give that a try here shortly.  Cheers,

post #3011 of 3470
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Originally Posted by WoodyLuvr View Post
 

No need to apologize I should have been more clear.  I only have/use 256 to 320 kps AAC files due to my f'd up hearing... I simply can not distinguish or benefit from anything higher than that.  I offered the information as I thought that maybe people with healthy hearing may notice something different than I and also would need higher bit rates to distinguish between the FX models. Cheers.

 

Oh, I'm so sorry about that. :( Faithfully you can still enjoy your music.

post #3012 of 3470

No worries.  Yes, I hear well enough to enjoy, thank you.  Respects.

post #3013 of 3470

Hi, everyone, I have just bought the 750 using Amazon.jp + tenso. Happy till now, however, I have a discrepancy in their weight. The parcel is now at Tenso waiting for me to finish the process. According to Amazon JP the 'shipping weight' is 259gr but at Tenso, my account  states 500gr. Has anyone suffered for the same problem using Tenso? I believe that this  parcel forwarding company uses the fees according solely on weight and kind of delivery. I think they are cheating me. I have only contacted Amazon, here in UK, to know exactly what 'shipping weight' mean. If it is included Amazon own package on top of the  the JVC original package. I need to know a little bit more before writing Tenso. Any help welcome.

 

Update 11 May, I have just weighed the full parcel at the nearest Post Office and it weights 524g


Edited by josito-fi - 5/12/15 at 1:27am
post #3014 of 3470
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Originally Posted by josito-fi View Post
 

Hi, everyone, I have just bought the 750 using amazon.jp + tenso. Happy till now, however, I have a discrepancy about their weight. The parcel is now at Tenso waiting for me to finishing the delivery process. According to Amazon the 'shipping weight' is 259gr but at Tenso, my account it states 500gr. Has anyone suffered for the same problem using Tenso? I believe that this reforwading company uses the fees according solely on weight and kind of delivery. I think they are cheating me. I have only contacted amazon, here in UK, to know exactly what 'shipping weight' mean. If it is included amazon own wrap on top of the  the JVC original package. I need to know a little bit more before writing Tenso. Any help welcome.


 

It could be that shipping weight does not include the packaging of Amazon - it's just the product including the product packaging but not the protection and cardboard box amazon uses. Can easily be more than the product in some cases....Amazon packages things differently based on other things you purchase etc. so you will never exactly know what the package will weigh in detail. Just a rough estimation. I doubt they cheat you.

 

Cheers,

K


Edited by Koolpep - 4/27/15 at 2:31am
post #3015 of 3470
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Originally Posted by josito-fi View Post
 

Hi, everyone, I have just bought the 750 using amazon.jp + tenso. Happy till now, however, I have a discrepancy about their weight. The parcel is now at Tenso waiting for me to finishing the delivery process. According to Amazon the 'shipping weight' is 259gr but at Tenso, my account it states 500gr. Has anyone suffered for the same problem using Tenso? I believe that this reforwading company uses the fees according solely on weight and kind of delivery. I think they are cheating me. I have only contacted amazon, here in UK, to know exactly what 'shipping weight' mean. If it is included amazon own wrap on top of the  the JVC original package. I need to know a little bit more before writing Tenso. Any help welcome.

There might just be a minimum shipping weight of 500 grams for your delivery distance/route.  I have experienced that myself before.

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