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post #16 of 40

There was no love ;(, so I vote for AKG Q701 with bass mod. Simply great phones. Only thing I use for gaming. I rarely play FPS games but these have great imaging. And you can hear everything. I haven't tried any of the others but I like mine very much. Clean, revealing, flat sound. Very nice bass and bass extension, at least for my preferences. Works great with every kind of music from electric to classical to rock.

 

I got the green ones. They look amazing! I wouldn't worry about build quality. They are mostly plastic but seem very durable and light. They even come with a spare cable, 3m and 6m in total. I have yanked the cable a good few times by accident but nothing went loose. They are very flexible, yet sturdy. One thing to note, though... The headband divides opinions. I have gotten used to it just by wearing them a lot and changing position of the band. I literally sometimes wear them the whole day. They really started to hurt during long sessions when I first got them. This is a design flaw IMO but there are things you can do to fix this. Other than that I can wholeheartedly recommend these. You will need some kind of amp though. :)


Edited by SpaceInvaders - 3/4/14 at 6:40am
post #17 of 40
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I'm not sure if we can audition any of them... I missed the Austin meet a while ago unfortunately, maybe Nice Cans has at least a pair of DT990's and Q701's for us to try? It says only flagships... but I'll be in town for SXSW. He won't do the Q701, since you basically need an amp with it, thus the price gets too high. And he doesn't like the looks. I love all of those 'features'. The only trouble for me would be deciding between green and black.

EDIT: It would seem that Nice Cans only has flagships. That seems to have been my only option for trying any of the three out.


Edited by jodgey4 - 3/4/14 at 1:13pm
post #18 of 40
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I'm not sure if we can audition any of them... I missed the Austin meet a while ago unfortunately, maybe Nice Cans has at least a pair of DT990's and Q701's for us to try? It says only flagships... but I'll be in town for SXSW. He won't do the Q701, since you basically need an amp with it, thus the price gets too high. And he doesn't like the looks. I love all of those 'features'. The only trouble for me would be deciding between green and black.

EDIT: It would seem that Nice Cans only has flagships. That seems to have been my only option for trying any of the three out.


I'm not entirely sure but I think you would want to have an amp at this range of headphones anyway. Amps can come pretty cheap too. If you get the Q701 for 199$ at amazon, you can include an amp (for example: Fiio) withing budget new or used. Just pointing this out. :) I doubt you can go wrong with any of those, but the Qs are known for their imaging and soundstage. From my knowledge you would want an amp to get the most out of soundstage, no matter which phones you go for.

post #19 of 40
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I forgot to change the budget, he thinks the X1's are a stretch $$-wise. He won't do the Q701's. So now we're probably down to the 598's vs. the DT990's it would seem. Is possible he could get an amp, but the point of the 598's from the beginning was their easy-to-drive nature. I don't think at this time we want to budget in an amp unless it was something like a cMoyBB. With nowhere to try out headphones, and the bright/harsh reputation of the DT990's, I think he is still leaning towards the 598's.

 

One question for myself... why is not being able to replace the X1's earpads a problem? I've never heard of someone needing to replace earpads...?


Edited by jodgey4 - 3/4/14 at 7:05pm
post #20 of 40
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Howdy y'all.

 

A little background: I'm helping out my brother in replacing his recently broken 7 year-old or so Turtle Beach 5.1 headset. He's been borrowing my Sennhesier PC163D's, and really likes the detail level but wants more bass extension.

 

For gaming, I see that open-back designs do really well. Isolation is of no importance. I recommended Sennhesier 558's with the possible foam mod, 598's, and Q701's with the possible bass mod. That's kind of the price bracket we've been talking about. We both agree that detail and imaging need to be good enough for serious competitive FPS games like CS:GO. We also appreciate well extended bass to match music preferences, the quantity thereof is not so terribly important. A part of the dilemma is that it seems hard to get well extended bass in open designs in this price bracket.

 

He had chosen Sennheiser 598's (and a short ~$20 replacement cable with a 3.5mm tip)... After he decided on this, he started talking about wanting a DAC/amp to go with it (Fiio e17). I will coax a hard budget out of him tomorrow). Our worry regards reviews of the 598's we've both read mention that sub-bass is potentially quite lacking in these cans, and that overall bass could be described as lean, similar to the PC163D's he's borrowing now.

 

TL;DR::

What would you recommend for this situation? Are there any headphones that can match the 598 + better frequency extension that would certainly be better (presumably un-amped for $$ sake) than the 598 + a possible dac/amp down the line? Phillips X1? DT990's? . The lower the price long term, the better. It's a big purchase, so my goal is to get this all right the first time, so we can set and forget.

 

Bonus: I get recommended a hard case to match :bigsmile_face:.

 

And as a side note, I love the look of Q701's and will probably snag a pair at some point with some Audio-GD or Bottlehead gear... I need to save more money though :veryevil:.

 

Thanks.

For competitive gaming (Counter-Strike 1.6), I always used the older version of the HD598's, HD590, so that would be my suggestion.  I have the HD598's and they would work well.  I even brought them with me to the World Cyber Games back in 2003.


Edited by Byrnie - 3/4/14 at 7:18pm
post #21 of 40
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One question for myself... why is not being able to replace the X1's earpads a problem? I've never heard of someone needing to replace earpads...?

If you own a pair for many years and use them often, the pads change (velour gets softer and run down and pleather becomes harder and cracks) which affects both comfort and sound, particular bass as the seal round the ear is important.

Replacement pads can be expensive, especially for discontinued models. I needed new K501 pads and had to order them from Thomann. Because shipping to America is 30 euros regardless of quantity, I ordered 3 pairs, figuring I'd either need them over time or resell them if I didn't.
post #22 of 40
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Wow, makes sense though! It's a darned shame the X1's have fallen prey to such a simple matter.

 

Yeah, I don't think out of the choices you could really beat the 598 for pure gaming, but at the cost of potential fun? Therein lies the dispute!

 

Another darned shame is how hard it is to audition headphones. I've been a member of a drumming forum for 4-5 years, and only now do I realize that if you want to know what piece of kit to buy, NOTHING substitutes finding the dang thing and whacking it a few times. You can read reviews all day, but your ears are infinitely better than some near stranger's words. I haven't been to the gear section in quite some time. Anyways, I can't thank y'all enough for your time to help us out.


Edited by jodgey4 - 3/4/14 at 8:08pm
post #23 of 40
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The X1 is a great one, if you like much bass.

Should even play better than a dt 990.

 

BUT: Absolute zero chance of getting any spare parts. "used" Earpads? buy the whole headphone new. Thats a big problem in my opinion, if you plan in keeping the thing for long. Always keep that in mind.

While on Beyerdynamics, even in 20 years you will be able to buy new pads for the future.

In my Opinion... Phillips Failed this Headphone absolutely horrible. Even more, BECAUSE it sounds very nice for the price, and the build quality + material quality is awesome.

Would they have made at least the earpads replaceable, and sell some in their spare parts shop, alot more people would get one. Maybe me too ;)

 

If possible: Try both.

I thought I read that the newer versions of the X1 have replaceable pads now.

post #24 of 40
Philips has been out of the business for a while and no one knows whether they'll continue production. As of now, they're trying hard to establish themselves in the market. I'm surprised about the lack of replacement parts, at least for their more expensive models.

Look in meet organization section to see if there's one near you or you can start one yourself. It's really fun to get together and talk shop and try gear. The camaraderie is terrific. I'm subscribed in case Madison and other cities near Chicago decide to convene finally.
post #25 of 40
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I missed the Austin meet-up by one weekend, which is horrendous. I've been keeping an eye out for one anywhere in Texas. You'd think Austin being as music oriented as it is, that there'd be more places to try headphones.

post #26 of 40
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I missed the Austin meet-up by one weekend, which is horrendous. I've been keeping an eye out for one anywhere in Texas. You'd think Austin being as music oriented as it is, that there'd be more places to try headphones.

 

Wait a little while and start a thread asking if anyone wants to get together for a mini-meet. Some of the best times are just three or four guys hanging out listening and discussing what they're hearing. 

post #27 of 40
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Some of the best times are just three or four guys hanging out listening and discussing what they're hearing. 

Sorry but my sophmoric side found a joke in there :D

post #28 of 40
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Sorry but my sophmoric side found a joke in there :D

 

You think that's bad? You should see the first draft.

post #29 of 40
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Lol, you guys. :tongue_smile:

If you look at the Phillips page for the X1, there's an exploded view that shows the pads are removable, no replacements though. What a major bummer, dude. http://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/X1_28/- I can't believe nothing works for them as replacements. My bro's reading the thread now.

post #30 of 40
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Lol, you guys. :tongue_smile:

If you look at the Phillips page for the X1, there's an exploded view that shows the pads are removable, no replacements though. What a major bummer, dude. http://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/X1_28/- I can't believe nothing works for them as replacements. My bro's reading the thread now.

 

The pads have to be removable, unless they're glued which is either cheap or a DIY necessity. Philips' lack of genuine replacements is really irresponsible, and it also says a lot about what sort of clients they want. Please let us know what he finds.

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