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post #16 of 110
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Originally Posted by vic2vic View Post
 

+1

And the issue with gapless playback freezing the player. 

These 2 bugs were the ones which got most votes for bug resolution in Bugzilla, but neither of them are listed above in any of the 4 groups.

 

 

Nevertheless, I'like to thank FiiO for the effort in fixing all the other bugs, introducing new features to the player and keep us updated on these developments.

Well done guys :beerchug: 

 

+1

I also have fear to active the gapless function.

 

Cheers

post #17 of 110

Aside from the gapless playback issue, the other thing I want is to be able to go from the "now playing" screen to the "folder path" screen (and back).  Is that what the path memory is?


Edited by pennylane - 2/28/14 at 12:27pm
post #18 of 110

So no plans for any sort of eq?

Thanks for the updates, Joe.  

post #19 of 110

something what i would like to see in new firmware:

1. Possibility to read whole lyrics at once (not that lrc time synchronized nonsense)

2. Improving stability with gapless - sometimes next song doesnt start or when i press "next song" nothing happens

3. Get rid of (or make possible to turn off) browse menu where you choose between Memory and SD Card memory - I would like to have all folders displayed at once

4. Cover art support for .wav

post #20 of 110
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Originally Posted by vic2vic View Post
 

+1

And the issue with gapless playback freezing the player. 

These 2 bugs were the ones which got most votes for bug resolution in Bugzilla, but neither of them are listed above in any of the 4 groups.

 

 

Nevertheless, I'like to thank FiiO for the effort in fixing all the other bugs, introducing new features to the player and keep us updated on these developments.

Well done guys :beerchug: 

+1

 

Obviously the bugzilla thing was just a way to gain time... It seems to me that it is clear that they dont care for the customer self-claimed needs. They know better what we want.

 

"...great compatibility with most lossless and lossy..." Well, this is true for lossless, but lossy formats are kind of "more lossy" with the X3 than with any other DAP. I wouldnt call that "great compatibility".

 

Why dont they altogether ditch the lossy format support if it is not "that important for a hd DAP"?

 

I'll tell you why: X3 sales would take a huge hit... It is just hypocrisy saying that lossy file support is not important, but at the same time claiming "great support" for these files.

 

FIIIO: go ahead and (fully) drop lossy format support and see if "it isnt a deal"? Maybe people will preffer full DSD to full mp3 support, why dont you go ahead and see?

post #21 of 110

I love my X3 for listening to MP3's ripped at 320.  Have no problems, and I think it sounds amazing.  Superior to my Cowon S9, and it can drive my 250 DT990's no problem.

 

As a consumer, and I believe I respresent the majority, I would not have bought w/o MP3 support.  

post #22 of 110
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Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

+1

 

Obviously the bugzilla thing was just a way to gain time... It seems to me that it is clear that they dont care for the customer self-claimed needs. They know better what we want.

 

"...great compatibility with most lossless and lossy..." Well, this is true for lossless, but lossy formats are kind of "more lossy" with the X3 than with any other DAP. I wouldnt call that "great compatibility".

 

Why dont they altogether ditch the lossy format support if it is not "that important for a hd DAP"?

 

I'll tell you why: X3 sales would take a huge hit... It is just hypocrisy saying that lossy file support is not important, but at the same time claiming "great support" for these files.

 

FIIIO: go ahead and (fully) drop lossy format support and see if "it isnt a deal"? Maybe people will preffer full DSD to full mp3 support, why dont you go ahead and see?

 

Hey, they´re working on it. I think I´m not leaning myself too far out the window to say that they won´t drop lossy support. They actually seem to work on it to get it right. So please, stay calm, relax and be patient. I´m not one second for DSD support (it´s a stupid thing really to support this bloody format) but other people might think different. Each to his/her own.

post #23 of 110

just give us time to finish the new firmware, and this is just shows what we are going to do in the future. 

post #24 of 110

Looking forward to m3u support and the more efficient library builder :)  Once those are done my personal feeling of the value of the device will be much higher.  Those are really the only major complaints I have!  Though, the labelled idea of the screen turning off when hitting the hold switch was also a minor concern of mine.. glad to see it's on the list! :D

post #25 of 110

James: freeze caused by gapless activation is too important for me and for you (and the most voted in bugzilla): why that is not mentioned in firmware plan?

 

 

My history: i bought x3 one months ago and I activeted immediately gapless; then i had three freezes in two day and so I decided to stop using X3.

Two weeks ago I read in this forum that freezes are caused by gapless, so I deactived it and finally I start to use X3 again.

 

I imagine that there is a lot of people that think X3 is a beatifull player but with too freezes, only because they don't know that is caused by just one option: that is not a good advertising for Fiio.


Edited by lecco - 3/1/14 at 6:49am
post #26 of 110
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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
 

 

Hey, they´re working on it. I think I´m not leaning myself too far out the window to say that they won´t drop lossy support. They actually seem to work on it to get it right. So please, stay calm, relax and be patient. I´m not one second for DSD support (it´s a stupid thing really to support this bloody format) but other people might think different. Each to his/her own.

 

Im sorry, I lost it back there. I know they are working on it, but it makes me really sad to see they care more about things like DSD. I really like the sonic qualities of the x3, I had to transcode all my mp3 to flac, such a waste of space.

   

I guess that FIIO really seems to understand their market and they are one company which responds to it, kudos to FIIO. The market is the one that gets on my nerves. 

 

Look: here we have a bunch of people that claim to be able to hear the diference between 320bps mp3 and flac. Their hearing is so acute that they even can distinguish from 16bit and 24bit flacs and they even seem to need things like DSD. For me to hear the difference between 320 mp3 and flac is REALLY difficult, I may get a headache doing it.  That is all fine BUT, at the same time this bunch of people (or the majority of them) are now claiming that mp3 sounds just fine with the X3 when there is a clear and measurable distortion. They even say that in fact mp3 sounds better from the x3 than from other sources. Talk about the placebo effect!  Sadly, THIS is the market which FIIO is serving and they know it.

post #27 of 110

Is there a chance that not all X3's exhibit this MP3 distortion?  I ask that truthfully.  

I can't claim to have the best hearing in the world, that would be subjectively ridiculous.  

However, I am picky(as we all are here) and experienced(though not as much as a few here). 

 

I just can't accept that I CAN tell a difference between my 320 MP3 and FLAC, but not hear the distortion issue raised by many.  It's confounding to me. 

 

I like to browse using 2 TF cards, one for a larger 320 collection, and one a selection of my favourite old cd's on FLAC.  

 

The FLAC to me, is typical of what we say around here, slightly more spacious, slightly more reaching dynamically.  The upper treble region is crisper.  I can tell these differences on good (older) recordings, but cannot hear this distortion issue.  I know myself, if I could hear it, I would HATE it!  

 

How can we conclusively say the problem applies to all X3's?  

post #28 of 110
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Originally Posted by littledreamer View Post
 

Is there a chance that not all X3's exhibit this MP3 distortion?  I ask that truthfully.  

I can't claim to have the best hearing in the world, that would be subjectively ridiculous.  

However, I am picky(as we all are here) and experienced(though not as much as a few here). 

 

I just can't accept that I CAN tell a difference between my 320 MP3 and FLAC, but not hear the distortion issue raised by many.  It's confounding to me. 

 

I like to browse using 2 TF cards, one for a larger 320 collection, and one a selection of my favourite old cd's on FLAC.  

 

The FLAC to me, is typical of what we say around here, slightly more spacious, slightly more reaching dynamically.  The upper treble region is crisper.  I can tell these differences on good (older) recordings, but cannot hear this distortion issue.  I know myself, if I could hear it, I would HATE it!  

 

How can we conclusively say the problem applies to all X3's?  

As I understand it, it's not so much a distortion as a high level of background noise. All mp3's and X3's will have it, but once the foreground volume gets sufficiently high it masks the noise. Most people will only hear it on very quiet passages and given how much music is compressed these days, you will probably only get quiet enough passages on classical recordings. I can't hear it on any of my tracks, but I have heard it on examples supplied by people who have been bothered with it - and they were very quiet passages on classical recordings.

post #29 of 110
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Originally Posted by tjw321 View Post
 

As I understand it, it's not so much a distortion as a high level of background noise. All mp3's and X3's will have it, but once the foreground volume gets sufficiently high it masks the noise. Most people will only hear it on very quiet passages and given how much music is compressed these days, you will probably only get quiet enough passages on classical recordings. I can't hear it on any of my tracks, but I have heard it on examples supplied by people who have been bothered with it - and they were very quiet passages on classical recordings.

 

Couldn't agree more, give a listen to Bon Iver - Towers or Bon Iver - Holocene. For me, is very easy to hear to background noise on those songs. Also very good to compare mp3 320 to FLAC

post #30 of 110
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Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

 

Im sorry, I lost it back there. I know they are working on it, but it makes me really sad to see they care more about things like DSD. I really like the sonic qualities of the x3, I had to transcode all my mp3 to flac, such a waste of space.

   

I guess that FIIO really seems to understand their market and they are one company which responds to it, kudos to FIIO. The market is the one that gets on my nerves. 

 

Look: here we have a bunch of people that claim to be able to hear the diference between 320bps mp3 and flac. Their hearing is so acute that they even can distinguish from 16bit and 24bit flacs and they even seem to need things like DSD. For me to hear the difference between 320 mp3 and flac is REALLY difficult, I may get a headache doing it.  That is all fine BUT, at the same time this bunch of people (or the majority of them) are now claiming that mp3 sounds just fine with the X3 when there is a clear and measurable distortion. They even say that in fact mp3 sounds better from the x3 than from other sources. Talk about the placebo effect!  Sadly, THIS is the market which FIIO is serving and they know it.

 

Nobody felt hurt :)

 

I was one of those people that could hear the differences. But I don´t like to think that my hearing is more acute than the hearing of others. Golden Ears are a myth, there are only people - like me - who were stupid enough to have trained themselves to hear flaws more easily then others. It´s a curse, you can´t 'un-train' yourself and once you hear a flaw you´re always hearing it, no matter if you want to or not. So: no so-called 'Golden Ears'. MP3 on the X3 sounds ok if you´re not too demanding, it just depends on what you´re accustomed to. And certainly the X3 itself is good enough to sound better than other players - but this has nothing to do with how it handles codecs. The reason is a powerful and well engineered headphone output. So mp3 on the X3 might actually still sound better compared to, say, a 1st generation iPod - but only because of the headphone output (or the line-out).

Equally valid is that people preferring mp3 to flac on the FiiO like the added distortions and perceive them as better sounding. Those distortions are of course a euphonic lie and not the truth. Again, it depends on what the listener is expecting: a device that plays back music exactly like it sounds or a device that appears to 'interpret' the music for them, by chance matching the sound to the taste of the listener. I used 'interpret' because that´s the one thing not one single electronic device is able to do, it´s always a machine behaving to pre-set parameters or to physical laws (even something as fragile and instable as a turntable). Regarding this, one man's bliss is another man's nightmare. So, mp3 on the FiiO might just be what some people expect their music to sound while flac is the original and sounds - considering this reasoning - more boring (while it´s more truthful in reality).

 

Now I have to say 'sorry', I again started to babble away...

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