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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I'm new to the audiophile world and know next to nothing. Only in the last couple days did I actually get down and conduct some research, but upon searching other recommendations thread did I realize that different headphones are recommended depending on the asker's situation and preference, so here's mine!
I'm looking for headphones that are ~200$ (maybe 200 max). I can't ask for particular things like "sound stage", "clarity", and "sparkly mids" and what-not, since I've been wearing 17$ headphones and buds all of my life and wouldn't know a cent about it. I'm just asking for generally all around good quality. I listen to many genres, not quite limited to any particular range of music.
My particular situation requires that I find headphones that are pretty "reference" or "imaging" utility. I'm not looking for "big bass", since I figure I'm not a "bass head". People say mixing is best done with speakers, but I'm working with music technology at school in a classroom of about 30 people, so I'm gonna be tinkering with audio with headphones on and prefer some comfortably significant accuracy. Simultaneously, I want headphones I can wear around my neck on the go. I wear them between classes in addition to my recording courses, so portability is definitely a plus.
I can't afford an amplifier at the moment, so there's that. I may be able to in the future, so please keep that in mind.
Anyway, as for my little excursion in this headphones world:
At first I looked into the first thing that Amazon threw at my face and advertised shamelessly, which was the M50 and M50x. Upon further research, I've heard from many people that despite the price, they're sound simply isn't good enough to compare to other headphones available in the same price range.
I've looked into the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 and the Sennheiser HD 598. While they apparently have better sound than the M50s, their portability leaves much to be desired just because they're a little bulky looking, so I'm not gazing at those quite as much as I would, despite their many positives. Beyer's is pretty bass centric, and I've heard similar things about the HD598, it usually being recommended for "movies and games", which I'm not exactly looking for. I've also seen recommendations for the AKG Q701 and the AKG K550, but know next to nothing about them.
I recently read a review about the Beyerdynamic Tesla DT 1350 and the Sennheiser HD25-1. The DT 1350 sounds like it's for me, and it seems to be going for a pretty good price right now, as well as the Sennheiser HD25-1. I'm not at the liberty of "buying several headphones and returning what I don't want" or "trying them at my nearby retail store" as those options aren't available to me.
Sorry for the wall of text... you have my greatest appreciation if you read through it all.
I heard the DT1350 has a pretty "bad" "sound stage". Of course, I'd have no clue what exactly that sounds like, but it doesn't sound like a good thing, obviously. Again, I can't get an amp any time near the future, though I'd like a portable one. Recommendations on that would be nice, too, but I need headphones that don't need one but could use one.

Any recommendations would be very appreciated! smily_headphones1.gif I hope this gets through! I tried my best to read and search ahead of time, so I'm sorry if I break any rules...
Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 18
Im a noob too but i can tell ya the audio technica m50s are great headphones and among the best in the price range under $200
post #3 of 18
Also would recommend fiio. E17 for portable. The m50s have a nice soundstage. I own the hd800s. While those are in a completely different league...m50s are still pleasing to listen to
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
I appreciate your input, Good Vibrations. All things considered, though, I would like more opinions on the matter. Any experts willing to part with some recommendations or advice on 200$ headphones?
I've got a habit of typing walls of texts without realizing it, thanks to my annoyingly high speed typing speed... So I'll throw in a tl;dr

tl;dr version of the post above:
I know next to nothing about headphones. Only know what info I gathered over the last couple days.

I'm looking for headphones about 200$ or less.
-I need reference/imaging headphones. No overemphasized bass or what'sitcalled.
-On ear or over ear, closed headphones, preferably. I'm going to be around other students with this thing on.
-Portability, can wear around my neck and put on at any time.
-No amp required... hopefully sounds good even without one. Plan to use my smart phone in addition to a computer with recording/mixing software...
-I listen to all genres of music.

My ideas so far are...
-DT1350 (nice price right now, heard it sounds good-- all except the soundstage.)
-m50 (I hear it's overrated, I'm highly discouraged to get it.)
-Sennheiser HD 21-1, though a video review suggested it's mainly for rock and pop, but I can't remember specifics.
-I did mention the DT770 80 ohms and the Sennheiser HD598, but they're pretty bulky. A similar sound signature would be nice, if any recommendations are available.

I await for any generous knowledge provided by this community!
Thanks in advance!
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Bump. Sorry if I'm bumping too soon. I would really like more opinions on the matter.
post #6 of 18

You're looking for closed on / over ear for mixing under $200?

 

I liked KNS8400 for this, but you have to be willing to replace the detachable cable, which bears noise. Comfort and isolation are above average.

 

One that I haven't heard but looks like it might interest you is SRH440. Reports indicate neutral to a little bright. The build seems similar to SRH840, which I like a lot but wouldn't call neutral. (ATH-M50 is even less neutral, and the treble is thin and metallic.)


Edited by Claritas - 2/23/14 at 9:01pm
post #7 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kettz View Post

I appreciate your input, Good Vibrations. All things considered, though, I would like more opinions on the matter. Any experts willing to part with some recommendations or advice on 200$ headphones?
I've got a habit of typing walls of texts without realizing it, thanks to my annoyingly high speed typing speed... So I'll throw in a tl;dr

tl;dr version of the post above:
I know next to nothing about headphones. Only know what info I gathered over the last couple days.

I'm looking for headphones about 200$ or less.
-I need reference/imaging headphones. No overemphasized bass or what'sitcalled.
-On ear or over ear, closed headphones, preferably. I'm going to be around other students with this thing on.
-Portability, can wear around my neck and put on at any time.
-No amp required... hopefully sounds good even without one. Plan to use my smart phone in addition to a computer with recording/mixing software...
-I listen to all genres of music.

My ideas so far are...
-DT1350 (nice price right now, heard it sounds good-- all except the soundstage.)
-m50 (I hear it's overrated, I'm highly discouraged to get it.)
-Sennheiser HD 21-1, though a video review suggested it's mainly for rock and pop, but I can't remember specifics.
-I did mention the DT770 80 ohms and the Sennheiser HD598, but they're pretty bulky. A similar sound signature would be nice, if any recommendations are available.

I await for any generous knowledge provided by this community!
Thanks in advance!

 

The DT 1350 is an excellent headphone - I owned it and loved the sound but ended up having to return it because they clamp too tight, especially if you wear glasses. If you don't mind clamping force or bending the headband a little bit to make them more comfortable, these are a safe bet UNLESS you need thumping bass. If so, look elsewhere. 

 

Also owned the M50, it's not overrated. It's an excellent all around performer but was the slightest bit congested to my ears.

 

The DT 770 is great, although bulky. If you like the DT 770 but want something slightly more "portable" the Beyerdynamic custom one pro is based on the 770 driver and has slightly less bulbous cups. 

 

I would add the v-moda m-80 to your list. I own the m-100 and it's one of my favorite all-time portable cans. I've heard the m-80 is similar, although on-ear as opposed to over-ear and is within your price range. You definitely won't need an amp with the m-80, but if you decide to get one in the future, it's performance will scale up.

post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks a bunch, Claritas and Dangertoast. These are some awesome recommendations for my price range.
The Beyerdynamic custom one pro, all in all, looks great. Do you know how the quality compare between the custom one pro and the DT770? Regardless, the main reason why I'm avoiding the DT770 is because people say the bass is pretty strong (in all the meanings and synonyms of the word...) If the Beyer custom one pro has the same sound card or similar signature, I will have to regard it as I do the DT770. The v-moda m80s look great, though the hexagonal shape of the thing doesn't do it for me. Still, if the sound quality is better, I'd go for it.

If possible, could someone tell me how all these options compare to the DT1350 as well? Clamping is something I'm fairly used to, so I'm significantly more concerned about sound. The DT1350's have been said to have good isolation and a neutral sound which may benefit me in my mixing and recording courses at school for the sake of accuracy. Yet, I hear the soundstage is "not great". Would I be missing out on a whole lot?

As mentioned by Claritas, I infer that the KNS8400 has a neutral sound as well. Is this considered a better option over the DT1350? (There's quite a price difference between the two, $120(kns) vs $180(1350)

I know I'm asking for quite a bit, so you all have my thanks in advance! smily_headphones1.gif
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by Kettz View Post

Thanks a bunch, Claritas and Dangertoast. These are some awesome recommendations for my price range.
The Beyerdynamic custom one pro, all in all, looks great. Do you know how the quality compare between the custom one pro and the DT770? Regardless, the main reason why I'm avoiding the DT770 is because people say the bass is pretty strong (in all the meanings and synonyms of the word...) If the Beyer custom one pro has the same sound card or similar signature, I will have to regard it as I do the DT770. The v-moda m80s look great, though the hexagonal shape of the thing doesn't do it for me. Still, if the sound quality is better, I'd go for it.

If possible, could someone tell me how all these options compare to the DT1350 as well? Clamping is something I'm fairly used to, so I'm significantly more concerned about sound. The DT1350's have been said to have good isolation and a neutral sound which may benefit me in my mixing and recording courses at school for the sake of accuracy. Yet, I hear the soundstage is "not great". Would I be missing out on a whole lot?

As mentioned by Claritas, I infer that the KNS8400 has a neutral sound as well. Is this considered a better option over the DT1350? (There's quite a price difference between the two, $120(kns) vs $180(1350)
I know I'm asking for quite a bit, so you all have my thanks in advance! smily_headphones1.gif

 

DT770 is good, but you're right not to get it as it isn't meant to be neutral. My very general impression of COP--I heard it too far back to give a fair report--is that Beyer was trying to copy V-Moda, it had less treble than most Beyers, giving it a darker overall sound.

 

See what people write about DT1350 regarding fit issues and getting a good seal. A knowledgeable guy I met complained to me about that. I had no trouble getting a good seal with HD25-1, but I found it to be uncomfortably tight. With on ear, that will likely be trade off.

 

I am supposing that the difference in price between Beyer and KRK reflects differences in building materials and name recognition, not sound quality.


Edited by Claritas - 2/24/14 at 10:39am
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
I looked into the KRK. All things considered, people like them, but they say the plastic build makes them very fragile. It's a great price, though, so it's something to consider for sure.

Simultaneously, I read about the clamping issue with the DT1350. However, matched with its portability, possible durability (due to its partially metal build), and drop in price, I'm leaning towards the Dt1350s at the moment.

I'm happy for the responses I've received thus far, but I would like more opinions on the matter, please.

Thanks in advance. smily_headphones1.gif
post #11 of 18

Shure SRH-840 is currently $199 on Amazon (cheaper used).  I've had mine for 3 years and still love them.  Hell of a headphone for the money and very well reviewed here and elsewhere.  Built like a tank too. (except for some minor issues like exposed wire on top of the cups).

 

They are often contrasted with the A-T M50s

 

However, they are definitely not what I'd call portable (big and bulky, but decently comfortable), so if portability is a big concern, then you might want to look at some of the other portables mentioned here already.

 

They are marketed as a reference/studio monitor phone, but they are somewhat colored in the midrange.  Bass is tight and accurate.  Overall, they do a decent job with a lot of different genres, and seem to fit the bill for you budget wise.

post #12 of 18
Yes
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Originally Posted by Good Vibrations View Post

Im a noob too but i can tell ya the audio technica m50s are great headphones and among the best in the price range under $200

Yes the Audio Technica m50 are always a great choice and are usually below $150
post #13 of 18

there are some sites selling the sennheiser amperior for $149.  which i've heard they are pretty much identical to the hd-25 but with aluminum cups.  

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the new suggestions. Shure SRH-840's looking good. So does the sennheiser amperior, actually. I'm not sure how they compare to the DT1350's audiowise, after all, I'm also after a neutral sound quality for mixing.

As far as the M50s go, I'm going to need some serious convincing to sell me out on that. I've heard way too much negative review regarding that set of cans as opposed to everything else.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Kettz View Post

Thanks for the new suggestions. Shure SRH-840's looking good. So does the sennheiser amperior, actually. I'm not sure how they compare to the DT1350's audiowise, after all, I'm also after a neutral sound quality for mixing.

As far as the M50s go, I'm going to need some serious convincing to sell me out on that. I've heard way too much negative review regarding that set of cans as opposed to everything else.

I enjoy SRH840 so I recommend it more often than almost anything else, mostly in response to members looking for "closed over ear for rock under $200." It's not neutral because of the bass, but I really enjoy it anyway. Be aware that you might find the headband uncomfortable, but it can be modded pretty easily with the foam from the HD650 headband.
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