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HE-500 + X-Fi Titanium HD + Lyr/Objective2 - Deciding on Headphone & Amp

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As of now I am using a pair of GR07 BE paired with a X-Fi Titanium. It does sound good, although I am little disappointed with the bass quantity and the right monitor starting to give in. Felt like it was time to take a step in to the upper echelon of headphones.

 

So I have been playing with the thought of getting the HE-500 now that the discontinuation is closing, and the current price point is VERY interesting. I dont consider myself an audiophile by any means, but after passing by a local retailer I decided to give HD600 a try and loved the mids and highs on it, bass was there but maybe a little bit lacking  for my taste. The new Hifiman looks very interesting as well, but with them not being released yet its hard to take them into full consideration, yet.

 

So why I didnt feel like grabbing the HD600 was mainly because of a feel that it wouldnt do justice to my personal taste in music, although sound would most likely shine with them.

I listen to Electro Swing,Trip Hop,Electronic,Rock/Jazz. To name a few bands/songs:

Dimaa - Make Me Enjoy !

Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy

Nujabes - Aruarian Dance

Boards of Canada - Peacock Tail

Boards of Canada - Music is Math

Parov Stelar - Booty Swing

Caravan Palace - Panic

Dj Ezasscul - Birth of Summer

 

Headphones I have had before:

Steelseries Siberia V2 - Felt like it was good for gaming and that was the only area where they shined. as of now I dont have any dedicated hp for gaming, so will use which ever hp I end up getting.

ATH-M50 - Issues with fit and comfort.

 

So as I mentioned earlier I am running my IEMs through my soundcard that does the job, but I fear it would be lacking for a HE-500 or possible higher "tier". As I dont have a dedicated amp for a new hp the Schiit Lyr and JDS Objective2 was the two contenders for job as I presume they will be friendly for light upgrading/side-grading if wanted. Not too sure whether the HE-500 is suited for me or if I have been seduced by all the praise its gotten through its lifetime. So my questions are these will the X-Fi+Lyr/objective2 (or other recommendations) have any sort of synergy with HE-500. And are there any other cans that I have missed out on?

 

Thanks for taking time to read! 

 

Regards, Frog. 

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Since no one responded I can tell you about me experience with He-500.

I use my He-500's with the O2+DAC amp since it was a cheap combo, can plug it in everywhere and the amp is super portable, and I'm a Linux guy so "Open Design" really appealed to me.

I tried them in games where it had headphone mode and it was really good. Also tried "Razer Headphone Surround Gaming shissle", it increased the soundstage a lot but it sounded too massive and modified for my taste. They are heavy, so after 3-4 hours of use your neck can start getting tired.

The bass is really good for my taste, when you get a bass roll-off from 100hz to 20 hz in music it sounds fantastic. If you are a bass head you can always just EQ. The decay in classical music where they record in large halls is really something.

 

I went from AKG K450 to these phones and spaghetti went everywhere.

post #3 of 6

Lyr with the stock GE 6bz7 tubes work wonderfully with the HE-500, but you'd heavily benefit off of investing in the vintage stuff. Siemens 6922 A-frame from the early '70s opens up the highs and tightens the bass to a noticeable degree.

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Originally Posted by tictatonic View Post
 

Since no one responded I can tell you about me experience with He-500.

I use my He-500's with the O2+DAC amp since it was a cheap combo, can plug it in everywhere and the amp is super portable, and I'm a Linux guy so "Open Design" really appealed to me.

I tried them in games where it had headphone mode and it was really good. Also tried "Razer Headphone Surround Gaming shissle", it increased the soundstage a lot but it sounded too massive and modified for my taste. They are heavy, so after 3-4 hours of use your neck can start getting tired.

The bass is really good for my taste, when you get a bass roll-off from 100hz to 20 hz in music it sounds fantastic. If you are a bass head you can always just EQ. The decay in classical music where they record in large halls is really something.

 

I went from AKG K450 to these phones and spaghetti went everywhere.

Thanks for the response!

 

The O2 combo seems pretty good considering the price, not sure if I would be fine with just the amp and use the soundcard as DAC. Sort of regret getting soundcard, as you mentioned, since you can get by using software for virtual surroundsound.

 

Also the weight was a concern, if not get the biggest, think I am underestimating the weight a little! Tend to use my hp/iems when studying, might take a toll on the neck while reading. Maybe its worth holding on for HE-400i to see if it gets close to the SQ of HE-500 and the lower weight is appealing.

 

Want the bass to be present, as for GR07 you cant really feel the emotion of certain songs since the bass is so subtle to my ears.

 

cheers for taking your time to reply:D 

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Originally Posted by RebelRising View Post
 

Lyr with the stock GE 6bz7 tubes work wonderfully with the HE-500, but you'd heavily benefit off of investing in the vintage stuff. Siemens 6922 A-frame from the early '70s opens up the highs and tightens the bass to a noticeable degree.

Interesting. how does one, guillible like me, go about getting vintage tubes? I will read up a bit on tubes as my knowledge is close to none. I am sure new ones will last a while, whilst vintage 1-2 years? if that were to be the case stocking up on a few might be an idea... aslong as my wallet allows it!:p 

 

Thanks for the reply! :biggrin:


Edited by Feelgoodfrog - 2/21/14 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by Feelgoodfrog View Post
 

Interesting. how does one, guillible like me, go about getting vintage tubes? I will read up a bit on tubes as my knowledge is close to none. I am sure new ones will last a while, whilst vintage 1-2 years? if that were to be the case stocking up on a few might be an idea... aslong as my wallet allows it!:p 

 

Thanks for the reply! :biggrin:

 

They've a very good selection over at UpscaleAudio, in that you'll find a reliable stock of the more popular and well known tubes (including pretty much the best ones). I'd avoid eBay unless you can find a reputable seller. 

 

The tube types that are compatible with the Lyr are: 6922 - 6DJ8 - 7308 - PCC88. Some alternative names for the 6922 tube include E88CC, E288CC, E188CC, CCA, they're all pretty much the same thing, just minor differences in origin (European vs wherever) and sound quality (e.g. CCA's are handpicked). Good place to read up on them would be here: http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/d.pl?audio/faq/joes-tubes.html#6DJ8

 

Lots of people have been getting good results with this inexpensive tube: http://www.upscaleaudio.com/Matsu****a-National-PCC88-7DJ8_p_341.html

 

Opinions differ on what exactly is the "creme de la creme", the best of the best available. Basically, it comes down to the sound signature you prefer (again, which you can read about on the audioasylum link). If you're looking for the cleanest, most analytical sound possible, Siemens and Telefunken are your best bet. Haven't tried Amperex yet, but iirc, those tend to be warmer (someone correct me if im wrong). 

 

Finally, once you've familiarized yourself with all the tube terminology, feel free to explore the hell out of this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/673709/schiit-lyr-tube-rollers

They've got a link inside to the previous tube rolling thread (with LOTS of more info), but the new one alone should be adequate for finding something that interests you.

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