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REVIEW: Ostry KC06 - Page 94

post #1396 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

 

Well I have tried 66 pairs of eartips in different pressure on the earcanal.

 

What do you understand from "Height" and "Depth" eke2k6? I really want to know (or learn)...

 

Then our definitions must be different. To me, the Ostry is tight and well defined, even next to the likes of the K3003.

 

For me, height is the most important factor in making a realistic and involving image. Depth for me is the individual separation of the left to right cues, adding more dimension between them. Height is how high and low these cues can travel. For instance, can I hear the cymbals crashing above my head in the soundscape?  Do the drums rumble below me? It's a really difficult thing to explain without you hearing it, and it's something I've mainly found in IEMs that are shaped like customs. It's a huge part of why I've used my ASG-2 so long as primary. There's ver clear vertical separation of cues.

 

Sorry if I'm rambling lol.

post #1397 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

I have tried them with 3 different sources and 2 amps. I did not mention all the stuff. That's my mistake. You can check from my profile anytime... 

Like it or not, you have to respect. I have spent a good amount of time while testing the stuff and writing there. In the first paragraph I have written that I am not judging anybodies thoughts. But you?

You always have the option to pass my post wink_face.gif  
I don't understand what's all this "judge someone" business all about. I find some words on your review contradictory, however I never said that you're wrong.
post #1398 of 2535
Thanks for the honest review Baycode. You live in a free world and you're entitled to your opinion wink.gif
Edited by Francisk - 4/28/14 at 11:44am
post #1399 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
Putting B3 in your ears is like having studio monitors in your ears. Its like entering to the record studio or place :normal_smile :

 

very true!

 

They remind my DSM3 headroom in small package. I am very impressed. Thanks for comparison.

post #1400 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

And you listen to them through Galaxy S2 eh? Interesting... You may have not unlocked the true potential of your B3 since I've heard multi BA is amp hungry. wink.gif

 

B3 are dual dynamic not BA :)

post #1401 of 2535

Newly hatched ostriches have just landed in my ears. Jeez - pretty nice packaging for relative cheapies! Frustrating to open though lol.

 

Anyway, they sound very promising and I can tell that they are keepers. But I'm not going to comment much beyond that until I let the birds cook a bit. Also, I'll be trying out different tips. I'm liking the stock large wide bore tips, but I'll be trying out the UE900, TF10, Vmoda Bliss, Comply, Sony hybrids etc.

 

Finally, happy bird!

post #1402 of 2535
Impression nao!!!!!!!!^😅😂
post #1403 of 2535

They're small. They're purdy. I'll provide more SQ impressions after burn in :) 

post #1404 of 2535

Ok, I was wearing them over ears, and was feeling the housings a bit. Switched them to wearing down, and that seems to be working well for me.

 

Edit: switched back to over ear, as that's obviously how they are intended to be worn. We'll see.

 

Have been using the UE900's tips for a few hours, and a few times I've caught myself not working, but instead getting mesmerized by what I'm listening to. Good sign! The bass seems to be coming alive as I listen - I'm really liking the bass detail, impact and control. These seem very nicely balanced and fun to listen to. Mids are in the right place for me - detailed, airy yet full sounding. Highs are just about perfect for me as well. No sibilance, nice extension and detail. Very wide soundstage (but not that much height as others have mentioned).

 

Hmm, so far me likey!

 

Edit: btw, listening via Colorfly C3 and C&C BH (all switches engaged!).


Edited by waynes world - 4/28/14 at 3:55pm
post #1405 of 2535
😁...glad u love them 😎
post #1406 of 2535
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

Ok, I was wearing them over ears, and was feeling the housings a bit. Switched them to wearing down, and that seems to be working well for me.

 

Edit: switched back to over ear, as that's obviously how they are intended to be worn. We'll see.

 

Have been using the UE900's tips for a few hours, and a few times I've caught myself not working, but instead getting mesmerized by what I'm listening to. Good sign! The bass seems to be coming alive as I listen - I'm really liking the bass detail, impact and control. These seem very nicely balanced and fun to listen to. Mids are in the right place for me - detailed, airy yet full sounding. Highs are just about perfect for me as well. No sibilance, nice extension and detail. Very wide soundstage (but not that much height as others have mentioned).

 

Hmm, so far me likey!

 

Edit: btw, listening via Colorfly C3 and C&C BH (all switches engaged!).

H20 said they pair well with C3.. how about the C&C BH amp too? Once i get my funds I'm going to get that amp, I have read good things about it especially soundstage...since to me the soundstage of KC06 are already very good, how does the C&C BH amp does it further? Better with that amp or better without?

post #1407 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

My burn-in and experiments finished with KC06.

 

Please have a good reading. All the below are my impressions. YMMW. So just take these impressions as a grain of salt... Nothing more...

 

I am here to express my impressions not to judge someone elses   :wink_face:

 

My first impression were disappointing with KC06 gold (or under the expectations).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I knew something might change during burn-in...  :wink:

 

Now I can clearly understand why many people love these :tongue:

 

They are top-tier iems.

 

 

 

 

Its easy to drive them (I need only %20 of volume on my i9100).

 

It's easy to fit them. And the included eartips are more than sufficent (large bore medium worked best for me, but I have tried 66 pairs of different brand and/or type ear-tips to reach this conclusion).

 

Clarity is top-notch.

 

Extends on the upper range endlessly.

 

Very wide sound-stage. And surprisingly height is also good after burn-in (but not excellent).

 

Low and mid bass body is very very good.

 

Very enjoyable iems.

 

Putting the KC06 in your ears ise like entering in to a disco or house party :D

 

Its engaging, lively, full of energy...

 

 

                    (Ostry KC06 Gold Version)

 

 

But...

 

If you can live up with the poor isolation and always hear the outside noise (sure you can crank the volume up but its not safe for your ears),

 

If you can live with the shallow soundstage depth (listening to KC06 is like listening from a flat surface near your face-front, if you have ability to compare it to B3 you can understand),

 

If you're OK with the poor separation, imaging, bass texture/detail and sub bass,

 

If you prefer a non-accurate iem...

 

...it's OK :wink:

 

 

Technically Havi B3 Pro1 is a better iem because its more accurate, can do what KC06 does but in a more perfect way (it may not seem more enjoyable for some but certainly it's more perfect).

 

Putting B3 in your ears is like having studio monitors in your ears. Its like entering to the record studio or place :normal_smile :

 

Detailing is impressive in all freq ranges (unlike KC06 mainly on high and on some mids).

 

Bass texture is there. Sub bass shows itself only when the recording calls for it. But its body is not large  (So bass-heads certainly will not love these).

 

Details are excellent. Extends on the high freq range endlessly.

 

Soundstage is amazing on B3. Its wide (as wide as KC06), height is same as width and most importantly there is depth.  This way they have a true 3 dimensional reproduction.

 

B3 has no emphasize on any of the frequencies. And doesn't lack any of them too (after burn-in).

 

Imaging is excellent on B3.

 

Separation is excellent on B3.

 

Sounds more natural and I love its timbre.

 

I feel almost in the recording place/studio while listening to the B3.

 

 

But...

 

 

 

It's hard to drive the B3 Pro1 (I have to crank the volume %80 on my i9100).

 

It may need an amp.

 

It's not easy for some people get a proper fit at first (including me). Included tips didn't work for me and finally senn double flange tips solved the problem (I have learned from Penon that the Havi is including sen double flanges with new packages).

 

B3 is source and record dependent to sound good. For example it doesn't match well with my Rockboxed Sansa Fuze. This is the hard part because if you don't have some sources to compare you may not know which will sound better. Also bad quality records will not be OK with B3's. They like excellent quality records...

 

 

 

Havi B3 Pro1 is like viewing a Kodachrome 64 color positive film, while Ostry KC06 is like viewing a Fujichrome Velvia 50 color positive film.

 

They are both very well known and liked films at the analog photography era. But while Kodachrome 64 were delivering faithful colors and excellent detail, Fujichrome Velvia 50 were delivering vivid and saturated colors with excellent details.

 

That's like the difference between B3 and KC06.

 

(In the end Velvia became more popular...).

 

 

Bottom-line:

 

So since you see that they are both excellent in some or other areas, in the end it comes to the personal preferences.

 

And my ears/brain/mind/soul prefers...

 

 

 .... B3 Pro1   :etysmile:

 

 

                A shot from the outdoors with Havi:

 

 

(B3 Pro1 may not be popular as KC06 and, now you know why :wink:  )

 

 

 

PS:

KC06 is clearer on the high freq range.

KC06 is airier.

KC06 has some more emphasize on brighter side.

Vocals sound very clear on KC06 (clearer than anything I have ever heard) but slightly unnatural. On B3 they are also very clear but natural. B3 vocals are a little laid back compared to KC06.

Generally body of bass is larger on KC06. But texture and separation on the bass range is not so good on the KC06.

In comparison, general signature on KC06 is upfront while B3 is a little bit laid back.

Cable on B3 looks more professional and pleasantly soft to touch (its balanced up to the y splitter with 4 separate kevlar coated OFC wires). KC06 cable is annoyingly springy (although the shell material is pleasantly soft to touch).

Jack on B3 looks more durable and feels better in hand (unlike very small and fragile look of KC06).

Body of B3 looks more professional and durable. Although aesthetics like a jewelery on the KC06 may seem better for some).

Cinch-slider on B3 is  "non existent on the KC06".

Isolation on B3 is above average while on KC06 below average.

Included accessories are good for both but I wish KC06 included more tips and a Clam shaped zippered case (like Havi did).

Both can be used while sleeping or in the bed.

Both can be used while walking (microphonics are very very low on both).

Both are OK to wear on windy days (although you can hear outside on KC06). Wind can have effect the sound when it hits the outer shell of the iem but doesn't have very bad side effects (at least I can say that they are usable).

Body of KC06 is smaller while B3 is large.


I agree fully with almost everything you said. I guess we have very similar ears ;)

I have been paying special attention to the bass of the KC06 and B3 and I also agree with your assessment of it. Essentially, bass conscious listeners will find problems with either of the two. The KC06 has ample bass imo but in layman terms, is slightly 'sloppy'. The B3 doesn't have the best bass texture either, but it is still slightly better, although it just simply doesn't have enough body for some people.

The only thing I don't quite agree is the part where you mentioned poor separation and imaging. Sure these may not come close to the Havi B3, but they're pretty good as well, so 'poor' is a little too strong a word for this.

Unlike you also, I wouldn't say I prefer the B3 over the KC06. The airiness and clarity of the KC06 is IMO amazing enough to make up for where it loses points to the B3 in accuracy, reproduction/imaging and timbre.

I feel the best way to resolve this is as what you mentioned. One is more fun and engaging, the other more laid back and accurate. So... use both at different times according to either mood, or genre of songs you intend to listen to at a certain point of time! :D

post #1408 of 2535
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

Newly hatched ostriches have just landed in my ears. Jeez - pretty nice packaging for relative cheapies! Frustrating to open though lol.

 

Anyway, they sound very promising and I can tell that they are keepers. But I'm not going to comment much beyond that until I let the birds cook a bit. Also, I'll be trying out different tips. I'm liking the stock large wide bore tips, but I'll be trying out the UE900, TF10, Vmoda Bliss, Comply, Sony hybrids etc.

 

Finally, happy bird!

Congrats! That was a long wait!

(insert here a "party" gif)

 

Let's the Hype Re-begin!


Edited by Zelda - 4/28/14 at 10:03pm
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If the above bird ain't dancing, it didn't work!
post #1410 of 2535
After 6 hours on burner... tried the TF10 tips (thanks Danny) and with the achieved seal off of the c3/bh combo, the bass is very nice. And these things seem to be coming alive - the energy, cohesion and prat results in ostrich toe tapping awesomeness. Well done Ostry!
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