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REVIEW: Ostry KC06 - Page 93

post #1381 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

I've always been using shallow insertion with this IEM, I thought everyone else too. tongue.gif

 

+1 ...which is one of the things are love about them!

post #1382 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

Any example track where you guys think the bass is bloated? with mine I think the bass has tightened a lot since the first day.

 

It's not so much that a track will sound bloated when you listen with the Ostry --  a track might sound bloated with the KC06 after listening with the GR07.  

 

Also, my bloated track might be your song with perfectly sounding bass.   I might just be nitpicking here, it's just that the GR07 has about the perfect signature for my tastes.   I do know that my preference <> everyone's preference.

post #1383 of 2535

Mine finally arrived to my local post office but I won't be able to pick them up today. Can't wait to try them tomorrow. These better shouldn't dissapoint me. I want my journey to find great cheapo IEMs to end!!! (at least for a while :bigsmile_face:)

post #1384 of 2535
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post

It's not so much that a track will sound bloated when you listen with the Ostry --  a track might sound bloated with the KC06 after listening with the GR07.  

Also, my bloated track might be your song with perfectly sounding bass.   I might just be nitpicking here, it's just that the GR07 has about the perfect signature for my tastes.   I do know that my preference <> everyone's preference.

No I know that transition effect and preference, I just want to hear what kind of bass is bloated according to people, learning experience and all.
post #1385 of 2535

My burn-in and experiments finished with KC06.

 

Please have a good reading. All the below are my impressions. YMMW. So just take these impressions as a grain of salt... Nothing more...

 

I am here to express my impressions not to judge someone elses   :wink_face:

 

My first impression were disappointing with KC06 gold (or under the expectations).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I knew something might change during burn-in...  :wink:

 

Now I can clearly understand why many people love these :tongue:

 

They are top-tier iems.

 

 

 

 

Its easy to drive them (I need only %20 of volume on my i9100).

 

It's easy to fit them. And the included eartips are more than sufficent (large bore medium worked best for me, but I have tried 66 pairs of different brand and/or type ear-tips to reach this conclusion).

 

Clarity is top-notch.

 

Extends on the upper range endlessly.

 

Very wide sound-stage. And surprisingly height is also good after burn-in (but not excellent).

 

Low and mid bass body is very very good.

 

Very enjoyable iems.

 

Putting the KC06 in your ears ise like entering in to a disco or house party :D

 

Its engaging, lively, full of energy...

 

 

                    (Ostry KC06 Gold Version)

 

 

But...

 

If you can live up with the poor isolation and always hear the outside noise (sure you can crank the volume up but its not safe for your ears),

 

If you can live with the shallow soundstage depth (listening to KC06 is like listening from a flat surface near your face-front, if you have ability to compare it to B3 you can understand),

 

If you're OK with the poor less /sligtly less: separation, imaging, bass texture/detail and sub bass  -than B3.

 

If you prefer a non-accurate iem...

 

...it's OK :wink:

 

 

Technically Havi B3 Pro1 is a better iem because its more accurate, can do what KC06 does but in a more perfect way (it may not seem more enjoyable for some but certainly it's more perfect).

 

Putting B3 in your ears is like having studio monitors in your ears. Its like entering to the record studio or place :normal_smile :

 

Detailing is impressive in all freq ranges (unlike KC06 mainly on high and on some mids).

 

Bass texture is there. Sub bass shows itself only when the recording calls for it. But its body is not large  (So bass-heads certainly will not love these).

 

Details are excellent. Extends on the high freq range endlessly.

 

Soundstage is amazing on B3. Its wide (as wide as KC06), height is same as width and most importantly there is depth.  This way they have a true 3 dimensional reproduction.

 

B3 has no emphasize on any of the frequencies. And doesn't lack any of them too (after burn-in).

 

Imaging is excellent on B3.

 

Separation is excellent on B3.

 

Sounds more natural and I love its timbre.

 

I feel almost in the recording place/studio while listening to the B3.

 

 

But...

 

 

 

It's hard to drive the B3 Pro1 (I have to crank the volume %80 on my i9100).

 

It may need an amp.

 

It's not easy for some people get a proper fit at first (including me). Included tips didn't work for me and finally senn double flange tips solved the problem (I have learned from Penon that the Havi is including sen double flanges with new packages).

 

B3 is source and record dependent to sound good. For example it doesn't match well with my Rockboxed Sansa Fuze. This is the hard part because if you don't have some sources to compare you may not know which will sound better. Also bad quality records will not be OK with B3's. They like excellent quality records...

 

 

 

Havi B3 Pro1 is like viewing a Kodachrome 64 color positive film, while Ostry KC06 is like viewing a Fujichrome Velvia 50 color positive film.

 

They are both very well known and liked films at the analog photography era. But while Kodachrome 64 were delivering faithful colors and excellent detail, Fujichrome Velvia 50 were delivering vivid and saturated colors with excellent details.

 

That's like the difference between B3 and KC06.

 

(In the end Velvia became more popular...).

 

 

Bottom-line:

 

So since you see that they are both excellent in some or other areas, in the end it comes to the personal preferences.

 

And my ears/brain/mind/soul prefers...

 

 

 .... B3 Pro1   :etysmile:

 

 

                A shot from the outdoors with Havi:

 

 

(B3 Pro1 may not be popular as KC06 and, now you know why :wink:  )

 

 

 

PS:

KC06 is clearer on the high freq range.

KC06 is airier.

KC06 has some more emphasize on brighter side.

Vocals sound very clear on KC06 (clearer than anything I have ever heard) but slightly unnatural. On B3 they are also very clear but natural. B3 vocals are a little laid back compared to KC06.

Generally body of bass is larger on KC06. But texture and separation on the bass range is not so good on the KC06.

In comparison, general signature on KC06 is upfront while B3 is a little bit laid back.

Cable on B3 looks more professional and pleasantly soft to touch (its balanced up to the y splitter with 4 separate kevlar coated OFC wires). KC06 cable is annoyingly springy (although the shell material is pleasantly soft to touch).

Jack on B3 looks more durable and feels better in hand (unlike very small and fragile look of KC06).

Body of B3 looks more professional and durable. Although aesthetics like a jewelery on the KC06 may seem better for some).

Cinch-slider on B3 is  "non existent on the KC06".

Isolation on B3 is above average while on KC06 below average.

Included accessories are good for both but I wish KC06 included more tips and a Clam shaped zippered case (like Havi did).

Both can be used while sleeping or in the bed.

Both can be used while walking (microphonics are very very low on both).

Both are OK to wear on windy days (although you can hear outside on KC06). Wind can have effect the sound when it hits the outer shell of the iem but doesn't have very bad side effects (at least I can say that they are usable).

Body of KC06 is smaller while B3 is large.


Edited by Baycode - 4/29/14 at 11:40am
post #1386 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

My burn-in and experiments finished with KC06.

 

Please have a good reading. All the below are my impressions. YMMW. So just take these impressions as a grain of salt... Nothing more...

 

I am here to express my impressions not to judge someone elses   :wink_face:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

My first impression were disappointing with KC06 gold (or under the expectations).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I knew something might change during burn-in...  :wink:

 

Now I can clearly understand why many people love these :tongue:

 

They are top-tier iems.

 

 

 

 

Its easy to drive them (I need only %20 of volume on my i9100).

 

It's easy to fit them. And the included eartips are more than sufficent (large bore medium worked best for me, but I have tried 66 pairs of different brand and/or type ear-tips to reach this conclusion).

 

Clarity is top-notch.

 

Extends on the upper range endlessly.

 

Very wide sound-stage. And surprisingly height is also good after burn-in (but not excellent).

 

Low and mid bass body is very very good.

 

Very enjoyable iems.

 

Putting the KC06 in your ears ise like entering in to a disco or house party :D

 

Its engaging, lively, full of energy...

 

 

                    (Ostry KC06 Gold Version)

 

 

But...

 

If you can live up with the poor isolation and always hear the outside noise (sure you can crank the volume up but its not safe for your ears),

 

If you can live with the shallow soundstage depth (listening to KC06 is like listening from a flat surface near your face-front, if you have ability to compare it to B3 you can understand),

 

If you're OK with the poor separation, imaging, bass texture/detail and sub bass,

 

If you prefer a non-accurate iem...

 

...it's OK :wink:

 

 

Technically Havi B3 Pro1 is a better iem because its more accurate, can do what KC06 does but in a more perfect way (it may not seem more enjoyable for some but certainly it's more perfect).

 

Putting B3 in your ears is like having studio monitors in your ears. Its like entering to the record studio or place :normal_smile :

 

Detailing is impressive in all freq ranges (unlike KC06 mainly on high and on some mids).

 

Bass texture is there. Sub bass shows itself only when the recording calls for it. But its body is not large  (So bass-heads certainly will not love these).

 

Details are excellent. Extends on the high freq range endlessly.

 

Soundstage is amazing on B3. Its wide (as wide as KC06), height is same as width and most importantly there is depth.  This way they have a true 3 dimensional reproduction.

 

B3 has no emphasize on any of the frequencies. And doesn't lack any of them too (after burn-in).

 

Imaging is excellent on B3.

 

Separation is excellent on B3.

 

Sounds more natural and I love its timbre.

 

I feel almost in the recording place/studio while listening to the B3.

 

 

But...

 

 

 

It's hard to drive the B3 Pro1 (I have to crank the volume %80 on my i9100).

 

It may need an amp.

 

It's not easy for some people get a proper fit at first (including me). Included tips didn't work for me and finally senn double flange tips solved the problem (I have learned from Penon that the Havi is including sen double flanges with new packages).

 

 

 

Havi B3 Pro1 is like viewing a Kodachrome 64 color positive film, while Ostry KC06 is like viewing a Fujichrome Velvia 50 color positive film.

 

They are both very well known and liked films at the analog photography era. But while Kodachrome 64 were delivering faithful colors and excellent detail, Fujichrome Velvia 50 were delivering vivid and saturated colors with excellent details.

 

That's like the difference between B3 and KC06.

 

(In the end Velvia became more popular...).

 

 

Bottom-line:

 

So since you see that they are both excellent in some or other areas, in the end it comes to the personal preferences.

 

And my ears/brain/mind/soul prefers...

 

 

 .... B3 Pro1   :etysmile:

 

 

                A shot from the outdoors with Havi:

 

 

(B3 Pro1 may not be popular as KC06 and, now you know why :wink:  )

 

 

 

PS:

KC06 is clearer on the high freq range.

KC06 is airier.

KC06 has some more emphasize on brighter side.

Vocals sound very clear on KC06 (clearer than anything I have ever heard) but slightly unnatural. On B3 they are also very clear but natural. B3 vocals are a little laid back compared to KC06.

Generally body of bass is larger on KC06. But texture and separation on the bass range is not so good on the KC06.

In comparison, general signature on KC06 is upfront while B3 is a little bit laid back.

Cable on B3 looks more professional and pleasantly soft to touch (its balanced up to the y splitter with 4 separate kevlar coated OFC wires). KC06 cable is annoyingly springy (although the shell material is pleasantly soft to touch).

Jack on B3 looks more durable and feels better in hand (unlike very small and fragile look of KC06).

Body of B3 looks more professional and durable. Although aesthetics like a jewelery on the KC06 may seem better for some).

Cinch-slider on B3 is not existent on the KC06.

Isolation on B3 is above average while on KC06 below average.

Included accessories are good for both but I wish KC06 included more tips and a Clam shaped zippered case (like Havi did).

Both can be used while sleeping or in the bed.

Both can be used while walking (microphonics are very very low on both).

Both are OK to wear on windy days (although you can hear outside on KC06). Wind can have effect the sound when it hits the outer shell of the iem but doesn't have very bad side effects (at least I can say that they are usable).

Body of KC06 is smaller while B3 is large.

 

 

Wow - quite the set of impressions! Great stuff. You've actually managed to pique my interest in the B3's lol!

 

p.s. I always liked Fujichrome over Kodakchrome myself :)

post #1387 of 2535
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Wow - quite the set of impressions! Great stuff. You've actually managed to pique my interest in the B3's lol!

 

p.s. I always liked Fujichrome over Kodakchrome myself :)

 

I was the Kodachrome guy ;)

 

I am the Nikon DSLR guy nowadays  :cool:     

(I never prefer Canon DSLR's)

post #1388 of 2535
So wait they both extend on upper range endlessly but B3 is better on high? Divided by zero? :P

I actually think KC06 is pretty rolled off and in higher range so I guess B3 too. Will find out soon. wink.gif
post #1389 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

 

 

But...

 

If you can live up with the poor isolation and always hear the outside noise (sure you can crank the volume up but its not safe for your ears),

 

If you can live with the shallow soundstage depth (listening to KC06 is like listening from a flat surface near your face-front, if you have ability to compare it to B3 you can understand),

 

If you're OK with the poor separation, imaging, bass texture/detail and sub bass,

 

If you prefer a non-accurate iem...

 

...it's OK :wink:

 

 

Nice impressions, but i have a few disagreements. 

 

 

The depth is great. Height is what's missing from the KC06, similar to the GR07.

 

Poor imaging and separation? I highly disagree there. Poor bass? I still think you don't have a good seal.

post #1390 of 2535
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

Nice impressions, but i have a few disagreements. 

 

 

The depth is great. Height is what's missing from the KC06, similar to the GR07.

 

Poor imaging and separation? I highly disagree there. Poor bass? I still think you don't have a good seal.

 

Well I have tried 66 pairs of eartips in different pressure on the earcanal.

 

What do you understand from "Height" and "Depth" eke2k6? I really want to know (or learn)...

post #1391 of 2535
He probably meant "poorer than B3, my ultimate reference" otherwise KC06 won't be a top tier IEM according to him, too many "poor". wink.gif
post #1392 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

So wait they both extend on upper range endlessly but B3 is better on high? Divided by zero? :P

I actually think KC06 is pretty rolled off and in higher range so I guess B3 too. Will find out soon. wink.gif

 

Because KC06 have more emhasize on highs. One of the reasons why I prefer B3. KC06 is also a brigter phone. B3 is laid back in comparison (but its not a laid back phone in reality).

post #1393 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

He probably meant "poorer than B3, my ultimate reference" otherwise KC06 won't be a top tier IEM according to him, too many "poor". wink.gif

 

You have to read it again my friend...

 

There are full of thoughts and if you miss "some" this may be your conclusion, I can understand...

 

I appreciate KC06 as what it is. But I prefer B3 in the end...

post #1394 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

You have to read it again my friend...

There are full of thoughts and if you miss "some" this may be your conclusion, I can understand...

I appreciate KC06 as what it is. But I prefer B3 in the end...

I did, what am I missing?
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

.....
They are top-tier iems.

.....
If you can live with the shallow soundstage depth (listening to KC06 is like listening from a flat surface near your face-front, if you have ability to compare it to B3 you can understand),

If you're OK with the poor separation, imaging, bass texture/detail and sub bass,

If you prefer a non-accurate iem...

...it's OK wink.gif

So they're both top tier but one of them have many poor and is OK. tongue.gif

I think it's ok if you just admit that you think KC06 is bad, no need to hold back, I won't bite promise. tongue.gif


And you listen to them through Galaxy S2 eh? Interesting... You may have not unlocked the true potential of your B3 since I've heard multi BA is amp hungry. wink.gif
Edited by laon - 4/28/14 at 11:18am
post #1395 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post


I did, what am I missing?
So they're both top tier but one of them have many poor and is OK. tongue.gif

I think it's ok if you just admit that you think KC06 is bad, no need to hold back, I won't bite promise. tongue.gif


And you listen to them through Galaxy S2 eh? Interesting... You may have not unlocked the true potential of your B3 since I've heard multi BA is amp hungry. wink.gif

 

I have tried them with 3 different sources and 2 amps. I did not mention all the stuff. That's my mistake. You can check from my profile anytime... 

 

Like it or not, you have to respect. I have spent a good amount of time while testing the stuff and writing there. In the first paragraph I have written that I am not judging anybodies thoughts. But you?

 

You always have the option to pass my post :wink_face: 

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