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REVIEW: Ostry KC06 - Page 81

post #1201 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post


I think I have already mentioned that these are my initial impressions... I am also not saying that they are "crap". But below my expectations and not better than the B3. I am now burning them-in and will not be listening for a time... I will try everything I can, afterwards.
The hyperbole is toward the "The isolation is near to non-existent!" part as I bolded it, if you think it's worse than B3 then I have nothing to say since I haven't heard B3 yet. My advice is to try it with amp if you can.
post #1202 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post


The hyperbole is toward the "The isolation is near to non-existent!" part as I bolded it, if you think it's worse than B3 then I have nothing to say since I haven't heard B3 yet. My advice is to try it with amp if you can.

 

Don't worry laon and thanks for your help, I will do whatever I can. Because I really want to keep these as a second pair to the B3 for less noisy environments.

 

I have approximately 66 pairs of eartips to choose from:

post #1203 of 2535
Nice! penon should really start selling them publicly, I'm jelly. frown.gif
post #1204 of 2535
I would like a set like that too. Really hard to find a suitable pair of tips when you don't have a full range of them to try.
post #1205 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post
 

Its not a "big" surprise to me as its already mentioned. I think you didn't get the point...

 

I am just putting my input and while hyping on something its possible to miss one of the biggest weaknesses: in my book for KC06 "isolation"!     (And for me its really much lower than average)

 

Oh, I think I got your point before you even made it. ;)

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Don't get me wrong, the KC06 deserve recognition. Actually, I've been recommending them from page #1 of this thread. I'm just saying that once hype becomes the main topic, useful information goes to the dogs.

 

To give an example and pick up on the "single vs. multiple IEM recommendation" discussion from a few pages earlier: imagine a newb looking for a pair of great sounding IEMs with good isolation. Which one would you recommend to him? The KC06? The FX850? Or even both? :evil:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Correct answer: None of them, because both are heavily vented and offer only little isolation.

 

My own point being, that if it's so important for you, searching this thread for "isolation" might have lowered your expectations in the first place.

post #1206 of 2535
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Oh, I think I got your point before you even made it. ;)

 

 

My own point being, that if it's so important for you, searching this thread for "isolation" might have lowered your expectations in the first place.

 

Yes it was lowered a bit... And I am not saying that "I am surprised" because of this info. But this weakness should be mentioned more and more... How can you know the reality if you don't put it into your ear and test it in different (noisy) environments? May be mine is noisier than yours, or may be not ;)

post #1207 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

Received my gold KC06 today. 10 days from HK to Turkey (bought from Penonaudio)

First impressions: No wow factor. Yes its certainly a good performer. But it sounds like my 75 ohm resistor and Kramer moded recabled KSC-35/PortaPro. A little bit clearer and better on the high freq range... Thats all. Sub bass is not there (It sometimes shows itself but the way it produced is not good enough/or OK for me). Highs are smooth. I like the way they produce highs. Can be listened for hours and hours without any fatigue.

*I really don't like that they don't have a chin-slider. It's a "must" for me (since I use them cable-up). I hope the cable will become softer in time...

I will inform after burn-in and tip rolling experiments.

For now all I can say that Havi B3 Pro-1 is superior to these in most of the ways (for me of course wink.gif. But for the production of mid bass and smooth highs KC06 is very good.

For me sound-stage is not bigger than B3 Pro1 either. Depth and height are not as good as the B3.

These are first impressions. Will inform again... Hope they change...

So we are completely disregarding the possibility of it being defective right?

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Originally Posted by laon View Post

That accusation works for almost every headphone in existence, so it's either we start wearing our tinfoil hat or it's just that maybe people have different expectation and taste (and maybe even bias). wink.gif

I don't think this is tin hat material, then again I don't think lots of "questionable" stuff is either... (;_; )

I've had the pleasure of trying out two AKG K518's a while back. One was a purple one I purchased for a fruend, the other one a green one I gave to Mr. Troolmaster. I was surprised to find they sounded different. The purple one(purchased much longer back) had more elevated and tactile bass, as well as more air in the vocals.

I wondered from the moment I got the green one as I found it didn't sound as I remember. Turns out I was right. But now why was that so? One just got tuned very close to the edge of their tolerances? They actually changed the driver internally? At the factory? Maybe not the diver but material inside the cup cavity? Ect ect.
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

Its not a "big" surprise to me as its already mentioned. I think you didn't get the point...

I am just putting my input and while hyping on something its possible to miss one of the biggest weaknesses: in my book for KC06 "isolation"!     (And for me its really much lower than average)

I get you mate. I purchased the ASG 2 even when eke put up that pic of the boxers to illustrate the characteristics of the mid bass. I didn't like what I heard there yet still purchased them.

Why? Because as you express in words and tone, one must truly tryout the goods to see how it matches what one reads. I can't be inside ekes head or you inside James when they are deciding how to word their impressions or to what degree those words illustrate an experience given their iem background and focus/prioritization() is not yours.

"I really don't like that they don't have a chin-slider. It's a "must" for me (since I use them cable-up)."

I can see this and still understand you gave them a chance. Even while knowing they didn't come with one and the top is your mentality... you let them into your heart and it just didn't work out. Tiss OK. Digi hug? \(T_T)/
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

Don't worry laon and thanks for your help, I will do whatever I can. Because I really want to keep these as a second pair to the B3 for less noisy environments.

I have approximately 66 pairs of eartips to choose from:


OMG! Epic!
post #1208 of 2535
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

I don't think this is tin hat material, then again I don't think lots of "questionable" stuff is either... (;_; )

I've had the pleasure of trying out two AKG K518's a while back. One was a purple one I purchased for a fruend, the other one a green one I gave to Mr. Troolmaster. I was surprised to find they sounded different. The purple one(purchased much longer back) had more elevated and tactile bass, as well as more air in the vocals.

I wondered from the moment I got the green one as I found it didn't sound as I remember. Turns out I was right. But now why was that so? One just got tuned very close to the edge of their tolerances? They actually changed the driver internally? At the factory? Maybe not the diver but material inside the cup cavity? Ect ect.

Your case is different with what happen now, until someone test two ostry from different batch, batches not affected by the bass problem, and found them sound different it's nothing more than wild conjecture.
post #1209 of 2535
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

Your case is different with what happen now, until someone test two ostry from different batch, batches not affected by the bass problem, and found them sound different it's nothing more than wild conjecture.
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I don't think this is tin hat material...
post #1210 of 2535

I love not having good isolation on them. It keeps me from getting hit by taxis when walking around in NYC.

 

Don't use the stock tips either. Double flange Sennheisers work well on these too, just like the Havi.


Edited by bhazard - 4/24/14 at 7:48am
post #1211 of 2535
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

I love not having good isolation on them. It keeps me from getting hit by taxis when walking around in NYC.

Don't use the stock tips either. Double flange Sennheisers work well on these too, just like the Havi.
+1
I've nearly gotten balled over by cars many times...and I wasn't even wearing anything..

Anyways..When people say isolation, is that referring to the user being able to hear sound from the outside only, or as well as the outside being able to hear what we hear through our IEMs?
post #1212 of 2535
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

I love not having good isolation on them. It keeps me from getting hit by taxis when walking around in NYC.

 

Don't use the stock tips either. Double flange Sennheisers work well on these too, just like the Havi.

 

In that kind of risky situations I may prefer not use any kind of iems.

 

There is no point "for me" to listen hi-fi products if the background noise mixes with my music.

 

Preferences differs... and  everyone has his/her own...  We can discuss hours and hours but there could even be any conclusion at all...

 

I will definitely try the senn doubles ;)

post #1213 of 2535
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Originally Posted by SkyBleu View Post


+1
I've nearly gotten balled over by cars many times...and I wasn't even wearing anything..
 
 

 

If you "don't wear anything" you can jam the traffic in any country SkyBleu :p

 

So you have to be more careful my friend ;)

post #1214 of 2535
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

If you "don't wear anything" you can jam the traffic in any country SkyBleu tongue.gif

So you have to be more careful my friend wink.gif

Lol!
post #1215 of 2535
Found something when I'm playing around with micropore (you can buy it on Pharmacy) and KC06 :
- Covering the outer vent significantly reduce midbass and make the mid-high clearer, lovely for female vocal
- Covering the inner vent boost midbass and may make all you basshead out there happier, while still retaining the clear characteristic
- Covering BOTH made the mid-high more prominent while retaining the vented bass (maybe a bit less midbass and more sub bass, it hit a bit too hard now), very very nice for female vocal though this may accentuate sibilance

Seem to work best with shallow insertion for me (deep made it sounds closed in and just not as good).
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