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Yeah I am warry as I don't really like the he-500 but I like the rest of the line so I will make a note to check it out
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Yeah I am warry as I don't really like the he-500 but I like the rest of the line so I will make a note to check it out
Code-x is based on the grandfather and only woody of the hifimans...the he5... Not the he500... Funny..many think the code-x is based on that phone wink.gif
And between us..dont know what secret stuff luis did to the he5... But the code-x sounds nothing like any other hifiman ever created... tongue.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/3/14 at 3:55pm
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Code-x is based on the grandfather and only woody of the hifimans...the he5... Not the he500... Funny..many think the code-x is based on that phone wink.gif
And between us..dont know what secret stuff luis did to the he5... But the code-x sounds nothing like any other hifiman ever created... tongue.gif


I was aware that the code-x are modded from the he-5 but I was under the impression that the he-5 and the he-500 have some similarities in terms of sound (just because they are from the same company). 

 

I would like to read your impressions if you got the time.

post #529 of 539
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I was aware that the code-x are modded from the he-5 but I was under the impression that the he-5 and the he-500 have some similarities in terms of sound (just because they are from the same company). 

I would like to read your impressions if you got the time.
i domt have much time now..so i will elaborate better later for u..but for now..i had the he500 before i had the code-x... And i can confirm u that those two have little in common soundwise..and i understand the code-x is also a whole different animal then a standard treble heavy he5...but i never heard a standard he5.. So i cant say anything about that...
Tomorrow i will try to put on paper what is different between the code-x and the modded he500 (modulor pads and open grill) i had.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/3/14 at 7:09pm
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thanks man

post #531 of 539
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Went to the San diego meet yesterday got listen to a lot of awsome gear including LFF's full line up!!! Even got to meet and chat with the man himself, which was awsome.   LFF is a cool guy. So my ranking of his line up in from the setup he had (don't know exactly what it was, a dac/amp out of a laptop) my preference goes  Enigmatic > Paradox > Enigma > slants.  

 

Quick note the entire line up has the same LFF signature: wonderfully organic (keep making my meet mistake of listening to some of the best gear first and then being utterly disapointed by other head phones the problem this time was that all other headphones at the meet had a metallic tint to them), soundstage of open back headphone, and great dynamics.

 

Enignmatic

Sound: Near as my ears could tell this had a full frequency response that was relatively neutral with tight bass.  I felt that it isolated best (though it was definitely tight on my head) and had an amazing soundstage.  They were also the most efficient of the bunch LFF told me I could run them out of a iphone with no need for a amp, and I believe him as the volume knob was almost at zero and the sound was loud enough for me (quick note: other head-fiers keep being mystified by how I could listen to every set up as such low volumes and enjoy music that being said I had to turn up the volume with  other head phones I mention).

 

Design: this looks like a enigma thats not vented and it looks great.  Pictures make it seem like a d.y.i. job but in reality these look like hand made works of art.  If you like wood in your set up you'll defenitely like the look.  This one was in "blonde" finish it was unique and good looking without drawing to much attention to itself very not blonde. 

 

 

Enigma

sound: I didn't understand what people meant by romantic but these things will play anything without fatiguing your ears I fell like the highs are cut of but that's just me. if you don't need something super analytical these would do you great.  They kind of sound like how the hm-602 out of neutral iems sounds like but more controlled and better articulated.  I think these would go great with jazz, classical, hip hop, classic rock, and they would tame any shine out of EDM and Synth. 

 

 

Fit:  over all the enigma family is a little bit heavier than the paradox family and if not broken in could feel like a clamp on your head, I had no problem with the earpads or anything else

 

 

TL:DR (finally know what this means) :

 

I getting the enigmatics in wine as soon as I can swing it.  If I had the money though I'd get the paradox and enigma's too.

How was impact with the Enigmatics? With the Enigmas I felt I could use more "slam" on many genres.

I agree with your thoughts on the Enigma, though. If all I wanted to do was sit back and relax, those would be the first cans on my head.

post #532 of 539
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thanks man

as promised:

 

first it was a bit to bright for my taste coming from a he500 with modulor pads...but now ..WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW...so clear, so clean, soundstage HUGE, female voices (Within Temptation and After Forever lady singers, Sarah Brightman and Rihanna!) sound better (less screamy) then the he500...more sexy...more raspy when needed......its more natural then the he500 i had! ...black is totally BLACK. its funny with 24/96/(or 192) vinyl rips..u can even sometimes hear the lp player needle skipping/jumping up a bit between tracks..just like if u would use a real turntable...

 

..just now i was listening to alicia keys..(i have some very high quality recordings from her)...but to my astonishment i found out that the double voicing on some of her tracks are not just left and right!! they are higher placed also while her piano is low on the right.....i cant remember i heard that on my he500  like this......

 

in general the code-x is a more laidback phone then the more agressive sounding he500...its a more complete sounding headphone...someone said (two people actually) that it has a bit of the hd800,lcd3 and he6 all in one headphone....only heard the lcd3 and the hd800 for an hour or two or so and did hear the he6 for a longer period...and i can attest its has something all those headphones have..whether bass, speed or midrange to die for...the hd800 did excell in detail though...but thats the master of detail...at this point.. i cant imagine a headphone being more balanced sounding then my code-x on my balanced PaG, with my dual mono balanced Venom cable....ofcourse the he6 and hd800 are the more techincally sounding headphones...but for relaxed listening for hours and hours...well...try the code-x..IF ur looking for an open can ofcourse..as the code-x is very noisy for ur neighboorhood...hehehe

 

hope i helped u a bit with ur questions..but as always..any headphone depends on the amp, dac etc. ur connecting it to...if u match it wrongly..well...i would say..get the right amp and this can sings...get the wrong one and i guess its a waste of money for u then..better take the he560 or he6 then and connect it to a vintage amp/ speaker amp... but if u take the time and willing to invest in ur amp/dac... then u wont be selling ur code-x any time soon... " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/wink.gif" /> 

 

and so u have a second opinion i now will quote a very respectful headfi'er who owns (as far i understand) all the headhones luis ever built and was the first one who had the opportunity to hear the nr. 1 produced code-x when it was being presented (also one-offs) at a audio meet...and this is what he wrote, and i just copied paste it here.:

 

I was just asked per PM what I the CodeX sounds like...

 

Hi xxx!

 

I'm still baffled by how fantastic the CodeX is...

 

To be honest, to me it sounds like a mix of the following:

 

1) Soundstage and instrument placement of the HD800

2) Mids of the HE500/LCD-2r1

3) Bass like 90% of LCD-3

 

Sounds too good to be true?

 

1) Don't order them and write me off as a fanboy

2) Order them and thank me later

 

---

 

After writing that I think that it should be revised as some information is still missing

 


 

Clarification:

 

The sound stage and instrument placement is not far from the HD800. So my simple phrase above is not 100% correct. Not quite as wide. Not quite as deep. Not quite as high. Wait... so everything is smaller? Yeah, but it's still ridiculously big. However... Instrument pin point placement is somewhat better. Also I'm hearing more layering. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I was hearing reverbs/echoes I hadn't heard before. Some suttle stereo-effects like "Ping-Pong", for those that don't know what it is (in a simplified form it's a tape delay echo that jumps between channels), that previously had gone unnoticed.

 

I want to add:

 

4) High's. More prominent compared to Paradox T50RP, thus even more prominent compared to LCD2/LCD3. Less prominent compared to Anax 2.0 HD800. What it however doesn't have is sibilance. I've driven the HE-5's to ear-deafening levels and no sibilance whatsoever. Doing the same with an unmodded HD800, or an LCD-2... There comes a point where you "Ouch". I haven't experienced that, what I however have experienced is realising after a while that... ooops. This volume can not be good for my hearing in the long run. First ever. So be careful... No ringing/sibilance can be dangerous especially with those that listen 3+ hours/day.

 

It might be the High's that make's me feel it's a tad "slower" than the HD800. I experience more (artificial) transients (over-shoot on square wave response) with the latter. In my opinion this is neither better nor worse, I think it comes down to taste. I suspect that this is linked to the softer vocals I experience with the Code-X compared to HD800.

 

so now u have two comparisions..between two headphones....its up to u if it sounds interesting enough for u to try one out....



Am sorry that this was oftopic..but it was a request..for more info..contact luis or check out the code-x appreciation thread
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/5/14 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by Levaix View Post

How was impact with the Enigmatics? With the Enigmas I felt I could use more "slam" on many genres.


I agree with your thoughts on the Enigma, though. If all I wanted to do was sit back and relax, those would be the first cans on my head.

Hmmm I be honest I'm a little fuzzy on exactly want you mean by slam.



@ hifimanroockie damn those sound like headphones I got to get my ears on
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Hmmm I be honest I'm a little fuzzy on exactly want you mean by slam.

 

Separation and soundstage of the Enigma were really excellent, but also sounded distant compared to my Sig Pros. The difference was like watching a thunderstorm from a tall hill vs. being in the middle of the thunderstorm. Even at very high volumes the Enigma never came close to the same visceral quality. So I guess I was curious as to whether that was the frequency response or just a different presentation.

And yes, I realize they're two philosophies on how things should sound... But dangit, I want both. :biggrin:

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Separation and soundstage of the Enigma were really excellent, but also sounded distant compared to my Sig Pros. The difference was like watching a thunderstorm from a tall hill vs. being in the middle of the thunderstorm. Even at very high volumes the Enigma never came close to the same visceral quality. So I guess I was curious as to whether that was the frequency response or just a different presentation.


And yes, I realize they're two philosophies on how things should sound... But dangit, I want both. biggrin.gif
Arent the sigma pros open back??? So maybe u should compare it with the code-x, being open back also???? I can tell u the thunderstorm on this phone is more like a tornado of the higest danger sort tongue.gif but..yeah...but get the right amp for it..

am now listening to 24/96 wav rip of vinyl of vangelis..OMFG....soooo beautiful.....they dont make this kind of music anymore wink.gif
Am now listening to PULSAR From Vangelis..... This is mindblowing what this dude could do with some syntesizers of middle ages.... So much passion, this was a true artist....
And i just happen to have the right rig to give his music the ultimate justice..lucky me ...am with a huge smile listening to his music...at 4am!..but i just cant stoo listening...its that beautiful...this ever happened to u guys??? Now: to the unknown man...DRUMS...from back to left..and a small trumpet on the right..and a huge slow very quiet playing trombone in middle right...cant remember inheard that loooow trombone until now..lolz... But the beautiful thing is that he did this all digitally...no real instruments were used...they were all digitally recorded samples..and played through a keyboard....genius!
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/6/14 at 7:18pm
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Arent the sigma pros open back??? So maybe u should compare it with the code-x, being open back also???? I can tell u the thunderstorm on this phone is more like a tornado of the higest danger sort tongue.gif but..yeah...but get the right amp for it..

am now listening to 24/96 wav rip of vinyl of vangelis..OMFG....soooo beautiful.....they dont make this kind of music anymore wink.gif

lol! Ultrasone Signature Pros, if I wasn't clear. Very interesting... Well, now that's just great, have to find a pair of these to try too, lol...

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lol! Ultrasone Signature Pros, if I wasn't clear. Very interesting... Well, now that's just great, have to find a pair of these to try too, lol...
oh ok..ultrasones...oops..i thought u talked about stax..hehehe
I wish u luck finding one..as all original 20 are sold..and he wont be making any anymore...and no one is prepared to sell his biggrin.gif
Only way is to get ur hands on a very rare he5 and sent it to Luis to be transformed into a code-x wink.gif
But for a listen u can ask Luis ...he has one fir himself wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/6/14 at 7:09pm
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Separation and soundstage of the Enigma were really excellent, but also sounded distant compared to my Sig Pros. The difference was like watching a thunderstorm from a tall hill vs. being in the middle of the thunderstorm. Even at very high volumes the Enigma never came close to the same visceral quality. So I guess I was curious as to whether that was the frequency response or just a different presentation.

And yes, I realize they're two philosophies on how things should sound... But dangit, I want both. :biggrin:


hmmm I can't comment on this sorry. A s time goes by I am forgetting the individual headphones characteristics and they are all rubbing together.  This is what sucks about auditioning a whole line up at the same time, same thing happened  with the jh harvey line up (there was one that had this great bass but I can no longer remember which).  All I could tell you at this point was that I liked the enigmatic and I felt that the two head phones were different enough from each other that a eq preset couldn't get you both soundsignitures from one headphone.

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I have have been listening to them for about 3 weeks now. This was the biggest "leap of faith" HP purchase for me so far , considering that these are "Home-made" & there is no way that I can demo them + there are not many reviews out there. I was on the fence but the fact that I got a deal for them used finally tipped me. Highly impressed.  I am a detail freak (the HD 800 & HE 6 are my fav HP's) , my experience with smooth HP's so far has always left with a feeling (maybe imaginary) of loosing out on the hyper-details ex. HD 650, LCD 3. The Enigma's pull off that magic act of being  smooth yet highly detailed. Also these are the best portable closed HP's I have heard so far (these are not  "on the Bus" portable but "in the Back yard "portable). They form a really enjoyable combination with Hifiman 901. Plus also the fact that I am a bass head & these have great bass resolution + quantity seals the deal for me. These are part of my bedside rig now, I was using the Audeze XC + Schiit Mj previously. The Enigma's have replaced the XC, the Enigmas are better across the entire spectrum IMHO. They have very good synergy with Sc Mj. Damn...now am very curious to try the Slants.:rolleyes:

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