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I currently have these. I've only actually used them for about an hour (if that) but I feel like I can say that these are probably the most coherent sounding closed I've ever used, but I think it's a little bit too laid back for me (it could be the amp [Allnic HPA-3000]; I haven't bothered switching amps yet). I can say that from this short period of time, I like them more than the W3000ANV, but I'd need to hear the TH900 again to be able to definitively pick between the two.

post #407 of 539
Actually interested in these but the more i read about it being warm and laid back kinda scares me a little. Im after a closed can with a neutral to brightish sig. Cos i love my bass and my details.

Issit true its kinda a closed version of the hd600\650?
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It's tough to say after spending awhile with them. They seem less and less veiled every day, but that may be mental 'burn in'. That being said, I find myself loving them more and more by the day. Maybe a solid state amp on the brighter side would pair very well with them (Schiit Mjolnir, Bryston, etc)? I am running them through a tube amp (albeit very neutral sounding). I've never heard them through anything else.

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Hahha yeah bro..all my amps are tubes from my desk rig to my portables. Love the way tubes brings magic into everything. For me its a can't leave without it kinda deal
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It's tough to say after spending awhile with them. They seem less and less veiled every day, but that may be mental 'burn in'. That being said, I find myself loving them more and more by the day. Maybe a solid state amp on the brighter side would pair very well with them (Schiit Mjolnir, Bryston, etc)? I am running them through a tube amp (albeit very neutral sounding). I've never heard them through anything else.

 

If you try other pairings and still find yourself in the same place, you might want to check out the Paradox Slant.

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Originally Posted by nazrin313 View Post

Actually interested in these but the more i read about it being warm and laid back kinda scares me a little. Im after a closed can with a neutral to brightish sig. Cos i love my bass and my details.

Issit true its kinda a closed version of the hd600\650?

 

 

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It's tough to say after spending awhile with them. They seem less and less veiled every day, but that may be mental 'burn in'. That being said, I find myself loving them more and more by the day. Maybe a solid state amp on the brighter side would pair very well with them (Schiit Mjolnir, Bryston, etc)? I am running them through a tube amp (albeit very neutral sounding). I've never heard them through anything else.

I have said this before about the Enigma's. My tastes are with open, airy, detailed electrostats like Stax 009.

 

Initially after I heard the Enigma's, I did not think they were for me. I have never owned a closed can. But after spending months with the Enigma's, I really enjoy them. 

 

To me they also seem to be more and more detailed and open over time. But I agree with TooPoor, maybe it's mental burn in? However, I ended up buying a pair of Enigma's anyway. I love the bass and weight of the sound. I also think the mid range is something really special.

 

I am using them with a Schiit Lyr 2. The Lyr 2 is not a "tubey" sounding amp. It has a lot of detail and pairs well with the Enigma's. The Lyr 2 drives the Enigma's much better than my Vali and has more detail. Maybe that's why the Enigma's sound better now. 

 

If you are looking for more detail and high end in a closed can, you should also try LFF's Parados Slants. They have more high end, but less bass and the mid range is not quite as "lush" as the Enigma's.

 

Nazarin313: What amps are you using? 

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I have said this before about the Enigma's. My tastes are with open, airy, detailed electrostats like Stax 009.

Initially after I heard the Enigma's, I did not think they were for me. I have never owned a closed can. But after spending months with the Enigma's, I really enjoy them. 

To me they also seem to be more and more detailed and open over time. But I agree with TooPoor, maybe it's mental burn in? However, I ended up buying a pair of Enigma's anyway. I love the bass and weight of the sound. I also think the mid range is something really special.

I am using them with a Schiit Lyr 2. The Lyr 2 is not a "tubey" sounding amp. It has a lot of detail and pairs well with the Enigma's. The Lyr 2 drives the Enigma's much better than my Vali and has more detail. Maybe that's why the Enigma's sound better now. 

If you are looking for more detail and high end in a closed can, you should also try LFF's Parados Slants. They have more high end, but less bass and the mid range is not quite as "lush" as the Enigma's.

Nazarin313: What amps are you using? 

And that sig which also pulls me back to my interests to the enigmas. I dont have any hard hitting bass and lush mids kinda sig in my myriad of phones. Maybe i need this? The only thing that is really stopping me is that if its close sounding to the hd600 that i love btw..then maybe i wont be AS interested? Hmm who knows..

My amps are the mav audio tubemagic d1 (upgraded), little dot mk4 se, portatube + and the elekit tu-hp1
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And that sig which also pulls me back to my interests to the enigmas. I dont have any hard hitting bass and lush mids kinda sig in my myriad of phones. Maybe i need this? The only thing that is really stopping me is that if its close sounding to the hd600 that i love btw..then maybe i wont be AS interested? Hmm who knows..

My amps are the mav audio tubemagic d1 (upgraded), little dot mk4 se, portatube + and the elekit tu-hp1

 

I had the HD600s and currently own a pair of Enigmas and I do have to say that even though guitars and instruments like the violin seem more upfront on the HD600s (mids/upper mids), I enjoy the complete tonality of the Enigmas. Also, I feel the Enigmas are faster (HD600s are more "syrup-like") and bass presence and impact is more pleasant (to me!). I recently sent mine to be measured and this is the result:

 

** If you want more measurements, hit me via PM... **

 

As you can see, they have kind of a weird dip in the 1K - 4K zone which I don't remember being so much of a problem once listening to them (and I do love my vocals, pianos and violins). I guess it's probably because I'm used to the Alpha Dogs which also has a similar dip (and seems more evident to my ears) but they don't bother me either. :)

All in all, I like the Enigmas with the exception of the "comfort" factor (I feel they are made for small heads...). Other than that, I think LFF created a winner.
 

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All in all, I like the Enigmas with the exception of the "comfort" factor (I feel they are made for small heads...). Other than that, I think LFF created a winner.
 

 

I'm with you there.  My Enigmas get a bit uncomfortable after about an hour due to the clamp on my head.  As a result, I'll still use my W3000ANV's most of the time, but use the Enigmas if I want a little bit more bass presence.  

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I'm with you there.  My Enigmas get a bit uncomfortable after about an hour due to the clamp on my head.  As a result, I'll still use my W3000ANV's most of the time, but use the Enigmas if I want a little bit more bass presence.  

Bend the head band. I did a little on LFF's pair. Someone at the SF meet asked me about the Enigma's I was demoing since he said they seemed like they clamped a lot less than his pair. I could not wear them when I first got them. but once I bent the headband, they are much more comfortable. Luis claims that it would be near impossible to break the metal band. But I am not responsible for any damage you might cause. That's why I tried it with LFF's pair just in case they did break...:D

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I had the HD600s and currently own a pair of Enigmas and I do have to say that even though guitars and instruments like the violin seem more upfront on the HD600s (mids/upper mids), I enjoy the complete tonality of the Enigmas. Also, I feel the Enigmas are faster (HD600s are more "syrup-like") and bass presence and impact is more pleasant (to me!). I recently sent mine to be measured and this is the result:



** If you want more measurements, hit me via PM... **

As you can see, they have kind of a weird dip in the 1K - 4K zone which I don't remember being so much of a problem once listening to them (and I do love my vocals, pianos and violins). I guess it's probably because I'm used to the Alpha Dogs which also has a similar dip (and seems more evident to my ears) but they don't bother me either. smiley.gif


All in all, I like the Enigmas with the exception of the "comfort" factor (I feel they are made for small heads...). Other than that, I think LFF created a winner.

 

Dang..that dip is scary..so im guessing here its a slight u shape sig upon hearing it yes? Once those treble peaks have been conpensated by the brain that is..
post #417 of 539
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Dang..that dip is scary..so im guessing here its a slight u shape sig upon hearing it yes? Once those treble peaks have been conpensated by the brain that is..

 

Yes, u shape sig - "fun". Enigmas not neutral and never intended to be (get Paradox or Slants if you want neutral). The measured treble peaks are not bad because they are masked by the elevated bass.

post #418 of 539
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Yes, u shape sig - "fun". Enigmas not neutral and never intended to be (get Paradox or Slants if you want neutral). The measured treble peaks are not bad because they are masked by the elevated bass.

Yeah I love U shaped sig...like my 1plus2..so much fun lol...Im still torn which one should I get..Paradox or Enigmas...

post #419 of 539

So... Anybody new heard these yet? :D I guess there are a couple floating around somewhere. Was supposed to meet up with somebody who had them, actually, but he called off the night before. (Bla!)

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Im actually waiting for audio360 and soundfreaq's review of these before finally deciding...
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