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Equalizing the HD800 to SR-009 / LCD-3's Frequency Response

post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

Unfortunately I can't listen to Stax SR-009 or the Audeze's LCD-3 headphones and would like to vaguely know what it sounds like, maybe by playing with the equalizer. 
Does anyone in the forum who owns both will be willing to use Foobar2K's graphic equalizer (and not the awful one it comes with) and tell me what are the values of each band, please?

 

Maybe this will get you a bit closer at first to the LCD-3 (working on one for the SR-009 too):
10Hz +5db

20Hz +2db

300-600Hz ±0db

800Hz +1.2db

1,600Hz +3.4db

2,500Hz +2db

3,000Hz ±0db

4,000Hz -6db

6,000Hz -9db

8,000Hz -10db

10,000Hz -11db

Of course the equalizer has many more bands, but this is what I assume it might look like overall.


Thanks in advance! (:


Edited by pila405 - 2/21/14 at 9:31am
post #2 of 31

The Accudio App can do that for you, if you have an iPhone, using Golden Ears data.

post #3 of 31
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately I don't own any iOS device.
Did you try it? Does it do a good job?
post #4 of 31
Accudio hat aber als target keinen LCD3 oder SR-007. Man muss die EQ Einstellungen dann doch von Hand setzten, wie bei jedem anderen EQ.
post #5 of 31
Thread Starter 

If this is the case, I will be even more grateful for anyone who will agree to do it and upload the equalization file. (assuming I understood you correctly. German is not my native language [nor is English])

post #6 of 31
Sorry i wrote in a German forum at the same time and mixed up the language.

I wrote that accudio has some phones like LCD2 snd T1 as standard Targets. You can easily make the HD800 sound like one pf those. But for LCD3 and SR-007 you need to build a custom equilization. The appis in this regard not different than any other parametric EQ.
post #7 of 31
Thread Starter 

I understood correctly then. Thank you.

Anyway, these are my recommended settings for the HD-800 (S/N 20K+) with the graphic equalizer in Foobar2K and assuming the rest of the set-up is neutral (DAC/Amp).
Based on recordings made in the Concertgebouw and my own experience in the concerts I attended there: http://speedy.sh/gm3Xd/HD800B31.xgeq
A bit warmer yet very natural version: http://speedy.sh/jfDcE/HD800HB32.xgeq
 

post #8 of 31
Thread Starter 

BUMP

post #9 of 31
Thread Starter 

still no luck...

post #10 of 31

Unfortunately the mere mention of eq in regard to very high end headphones is a bit of a taboo subject here on the forum. I also use eq for some of my headphones but you find the purists abound here and it is not a very popular subject. I have been using T1's as my main headphone for a long time but I just purchased a HD800 from a member on this forum. As soon as I plugged them into my amps (I have both ss and tube amps) I realized that it was the first headphone I have owned that would require little or no eq to reach my idea of perfection. I would also enjoy your experiment but I doubt others will participate. There are many members on this forum that use eq but most don't talk about it as it is too counter to the concept of changing equipment and cables and tube rolling to achieve your desired sound. After all, this is a hobby forum and to the serious high end participants they would not like to think you could turn a HD800 into an LCD3 with simple eq. That kind of defeats the hobby and the small fortune many here have spent on their equipment (including me).

post #11 of 31
Thread Starter 

I guess you're right...
Though it is ironic considering the fact many use, as you said, analog equalizers as tube amps, cables, etc'.

I do hope that there is someone who wouldn't mind trying to do it.
 

post #12 of 31

EQing the HD800 to sound like a Stax SR007 MK1 is sacrilege. You can't make an inferior headphone sound like a masterpiece.

EQing the HD800 to sound like an Audeze LCD-3 is an exercise in stupidity. Why would you want to make one of the best dynamic headphones sound like an inferior one?

post #13 of 31
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Originally Posted by pila405 View Post
 

I guess you're right...
Though it is ironic considering the fact many use, as you said, analog equalizers as tube amps, cables, etc'.

I do hope that there is someone who wouldn't mind trying to do it.
 

I think you raise an important point which often gets lost in all the praise given to various equipment. All the equipment changes and tube rolling is really just a way of doing analog tuning (eq). I confess I have been guilty of the same thing often at absurd expense for the marginal gain. If you get someone to provide the necessary information I would be in for the experiment.

post #14 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

I think you raise an important point which often gets lost in all the praise given to various equipment. All the equipment changes and tube rolling is really just a way of doing analog tuning (eq). I confess I have been guilty of the same thing often at absurd expense for the marginal gain. If you get someone to provide the necessary information I would be in for the experiment.

The thing is, it doesn't even require so much information and this information should be so hard to obtain if someone happens to have the two. Even better if he has the equipment to make professional measurements of the FR.

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Originally Posted by wink View Post
 

EQing the HD800 to sound like a Stax SR007 MK1 is sacrilege. You can't make an inferior headphone sound like a masterpiece.

EQing the HD800 to sound like an Audeze LCD-3 is an exercise in stupidity. Why would you want to make one of the best dynamic headphones sound like an inferior one?

Nothing is sacrilege. I do not expect the two to sound identical, only to get an overall idea what it should sound like. Same goes for the LCD-3.
And I've changed my mind from SR-007 to the SR-009, which seems to be more interesting and better fit my taste.

post #15 of 31
Thread Starter 

Sometimes I use this EQ to tame the 6.3KHz bump and try to make them as neutral and linear as possible

Chodi, I would really like to read your opinion\input, if you wouldn't mind trying it.

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Edited by pila405 - 2/21/14 at 1:34pm
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