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post #16 of 35

They are great with solo/trios. I really love piano/doublebass/drums with them. However, with bigger ensembles, the lack of soundstage will be evident.

 

Keith Jarrett solo concerts are pretty great with the Grados imo. Some Mingus albums however, you'll miss having a big soundstage. Personally I'm much more a fan of trios (piano, bass, drums, with vocals or without) than big bands in Jazz. So the Grados do quite well. If however, you'll be listening mostly to big band jazz, you might prefer the senns.


Edited by elmoe - 2/14/14 at 1:23pm
post #17 of 35
Thread Starter 

I see. I listen mostly to trios and solo piano; but also some classical, chamber jazz and so on. I am also of the opinion the Senns can be a bit dull, but the 598s are supposed to be comparatively bright. Alas!

post #18 of 35

Well the good thing about buying used headphones is that generally, you can resell them for the approximate value you spent on them. Maybe you'd be better off trying both out, and keeping only what you like best.

post #19 of 35
Thread Starter 

Since I don't drive going to the mail is a bit of a hassle. But that's rght. I think I'm going to go with the Grados. :)

post #20 of 35

I don't think you'll be disappointed ;)

post #21 of 35
Thread Starter 

INcidentally, just out of curiosity, how do you think the famed superlux 668b compare to either of these cans? I know its a budget can, but still. :)

post #22 of 35

I've never heard one, but considering the 40 bucks pricetag on amazon, and the decent reviews (for the price) on Head-Fi, I'm sure any who buys them for under 50 bucks would be happy with em. How they compare to 598s of sr325is however, is probably another story altogether.

post #23 of 35
I've owned the grado 325's and tried the similar sennheiser hd600's. For what you're looking for, though, I'd highly recommend the philips fidelio x1's. They're in your price range, are open, and have great bass response. The grado 325's were too bright for me and the hd600's were too hard to drive without amplification. The x1's are easy enough to drive from an iphone and have very good bass.


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post #24 of 35
Note that if I had to choose between the sennheiser 598 and grado 325's, I'd go with the sennheiser's. The grado's were really bright for me and do not have a replaceable cable.


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post #25 of 35
Thread Starter 
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I've owned the grado 325's and tried the similar sennheiser hd600's. For what you're looking for, though, I'd highly recommend the philips fidelio x1's. They're in your price range, are open, and have great bass response. The grado 325's were too bright for me and the hd600's were too hard to drive without amplification. The x1's are easy enough to drive from an iphone and have very good bass.


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Thnk you very much for the response. What do you have to say about the highs and treble profile of the X1? Detail? I am already looking for a pair!

Also, I hear the pads are non-replaceable. This seems to me a big bummer!

Any other opinions on how the Grados 325is compare to the Fidelio X1?

post #26 of 35
Firstly, I don't pretend to be an expert audiophile by any means but to me the x1's treble/highs are not as detailed as the 325is but where the x1's shine to me is in the mods and bass, especially when compared to the 325is. The 325is that I owned seemed to be ALL highs with a little mids mixed in. If I could describe the x1's in any way I'd say that they are fun sounding headphones and excellent to wear for extended periods of time straight out of the box. With the 325is I had to get the larger ear pads to make them more comfortable for me.

I also feel that the x1's have a higher quality feel to them than the 325is.

If you have the opportunity to audition either I would highly recommend it.

Also there is a lengthy thread out there on the x1's that you may want to check out.


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post #27 of 35
Thread Starter 
Excellent; how would you guys compare the Fidelio to the he-400? I searched for this but didn't get many head-to-head comparisons. I have heard that the latter are also pretty strong on the lower frequencies, without being too boomy, while edging a slight brightness in the upper-mids, which brings a touch of sparkle and clarity (even though the highs are neutral). They are also said to be fairly easy to amp.


At this point, I have reduced my options to:

- he-400 
- Alessandro M2si

- Grado sr325is

- Fidelio X1

 

I am leaning towards the Fidelio because of comfort, price, easy amping, and its 'jack-of-all-trades' profile, but I am a bit concerned about the pads being non-replaceable. That seems to me a potential disaster: particularly if you are planning to be abroad for long times with them! 

Cheers!

post #28 of 35

Don't worry about the pads at worst you'll be able to glue a new set.

 

Grados are a love or hate thing personally only tried grado sr60i, yes they have nice midrange and very bright but i say too bright and they are uncomfortable to wear I found.

Rough earpads no headband padding like mini speakers more than headphones a fatiguing set of headphones unless you get some nice pads and padded headband on a set I suppose.

 

It's a no brainer I know people selling their HD650's after getting the X1, as long as your head is under 46cm ish bottom of ear lobe to ear lobe otherwise you might find the X1 too short.


Edited by c64 - 2/23/14 at 1:57pm
post #29 of 35
I was very recently on a shopping trip with much the same lineup (plus a few others) so I'll add my two cents. I found the 598 an excellent headphone, superbly smooth and even-handed in its presentation. Comfort is great too. I will say that it doesn't quite get the level of sound resolution as the other phones here, but hey, music is about the emotional experience, not the specifics of the gear. A really excellent headphone IMO, and price is a plus. The 650 is a little laid back unamped, but even unmapped it still resolved impressively, had a natural feel. Definitely a can needing amped though, so keep that in mind. I would not buy ortho dynamics until you've tried at least one pair at any price point. Orthos have a bit of a "fady" distant sound despite their superb resolution and precision. Some people really can't get into The ortho sound. I would recommend looking at some ZMF headphones if orthos are something you like though. Haven't tried the Allesandros but they are supposedly more "subdued" than the regular Grados. I sprung for a pair of Sr325i until I can afford an LCD-XC but if the senn 650 had been cheaper I would have gotten it. My biggest piece of advice is really try before you buy if at all possible. Frequency response and dialogue ultimately means nothing when you out your ear to a can. I think the Grados are less comfy than the others, but I built a little basic headband pad for them (Velcro, some sewing, pretty simple) helped a lot, but I find them alright stick.
I will say that I tried the tape mod and noticed no difference, but maybe I did it wrong.
Trios, rock, small and intimate things, fun recordings, the grado works wonders. Mind you that people who say they sound "bad" on something are saying that in relation to other cans. All the products at this price point won't be "bad" at anything, just better at certain things. For the money you're paying the headphone should be capable of anything, and then it will have specializations.
post #30 of 35

Need advice about pad in Alessandro MS2i/Grado325is. 

 

I found there are 3 types of pad can be used:

1.Bowl Pad (default)
2.Flat Pad 
3.G-Cush Pad

 

 

Can anyone share the sound signature for each pad mentioned above?

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