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post #271 of 658
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Originally Posted by Jodet View Post
 

Are the V220's in stock yet? 


If you're using the US store then not yet. I was PM'd by Arthur (the guy who runs it) a couple weeks back asking about this, and I figure by now it's fine to say it on the thread. So he said they will ship mid august. Probably in a week or so from today. Unless something has changed recently of course. This is if you place a pre-order on the site right now.

post #272 of 658

Hi Fried,

Thanks for your response and patience with all my questions.
Your kind answers point me to one last little question :L3000::

As you mentioned you will be offering a downsized version of the V800 DAC - less versatility and features yet same performance level -, is there a chance you will be offering a balanced Amp like the V281 without the SE V220 on board (a downsized V281)?

My question comes from understanding the audio performance specs of the V200 being better than V220 and V281 due to less amount of on board components, and thus the logical question would be if it wouldn't be interesting to have a standalone V281 - without the V220 -, to take advantage of the best possible performance for those who only want a Balanced Amp?

Greetz to good old Germany and rainy Konstanz.

Cheers!
 

post #273 of 658
@ roskodan

V220 / V281 are not DC coupled any more - too dangerous for the ears and the headphones as you may damage both accidentially with ease ...
Ground-Lift jumpers for the balanced inputs / outputs are still inside, however partly uncomfortable to set as there may be another PCB on top.
The general ground lift is easy accessible.
Also there is a voltage selector inside to change the AC voltage in a comfortable way.

Tuesday next week I can wave to you from above on my way to Turkey ;-))


@ Jodet

We are working hard to have a stock in the future
By now we are still working on preorders.

We are a real manufacturer, no sub contractor behind who will put several 100 pieces of gear in the stock room.
Every single amp is built in the factory by hand piece by piece and there are about 700 pieces to assemble until a V281 is completed.
This takes its time, specially in times of vacation ...


@ Zkadoush

There will be a upsized and a downsized version of V800 in the future.
If there will be a low feature V281 in the future I can not say in the moment. We must first check what the customers think about V281.

Also, the noise figure and the damping factor will not alter with such an amp, perhaps there will be improvements concerning crosstalk.

In the moment the response for V220 / V281 is amazing but this should stay for several months/years.

Those who own V220 / V281 by now are sort of "pioneers", trusting in our skills to set up remarkable gear.
I expect there will be much more interest when the first reviews are out ... and we will have delivery time like Mercedes in the 70ties ;-))

Greetz

Fried
Edited by fdg - 8/7/14 at 11:26pm
post #274 of 658
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@ Zkadoush

There will be a upsized and a downsized version of V800 in the future.
If there will be a low feature V281 in the future I can not say in the moment. We must first check what the customers think about V281.

Also, the noise figure and the damping factor will not alter with such an amp, perhaps there will be improvements concerning crosstalk.

In the moment the response for V220 / V281 is amazing but this should stay for several months/years.

Those who own V220 / V281 by now are sort of "pioneers", trusting in our skills to set up remarkable gear.
I expect there will be much more interest when the first reviews are out ... and we will have delivery time like Mercedes in the 70ties ;-))

Greetz

Fried

Well, don't go to that kind of delivery times is what I'd say.  Nowadays I can just purchase one out of the showroom.  Tested a BMW i8 too, terrific car, incredible technology...but a wait until Q2-Q3 of 2015 to get one.  Choices, choices. 

 

Looking forward to see what you're going to do with the V800, squeezing more out of it would be a real feat, I especially like the resampling options (the fact that it can be switched off if desired).  Going to include some filter options?

post #275 of 658

Im interested in a downsized V800 too, beacuse I dont really need all those features the V800 has, I only need usb/coaxial/tosslink inputs and xlr/rca outputs. Nothing more, and oh, of course, the performance of the V800 haha.

post #276 of 658

I'm sure that this has been asked before but I'm only going to be using single ended cables on my HPs, would there be any use for the V280 vs. the 220?

post #277 of 658
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I'm sure that this has been asked before but I'm only going to be using single ended cables on my HPs, would there be any use for the V281 vs. the 220?

 

Not for the moment. The only thing would be if you eventually plan to recable your headphones (or buy some new ones with a balanced cabled). Then you'd be ready to go with the V281 balanced output. If you don't think that will likely be the case any time soon, then V220 seems like a reasonable choice.

post #278 of 658

Just wanted to relate a story about something mildly amusing that happened yesterday. I was messing with the system, moving things in and out, and I ended up getting a bit mixed up (as I sometimes do since the system changes so often). I was using the V281 with balanced LCD-3. Source was an Aurender X100L music server connected via USB to a fairly expensive DAC which will remain nameless (since I'm not sure if I'll be reviewing it or not). The DAC has a four figure price tag.

 

So I'm listening, having a good time, browsing through some reference tracks, and I'm not noticing anything huge jump out at me - neither amazingly good, nor annoyingly bad. It's just a solid, satisfying performance, perhaps not the best I've heard but definitely respectable. Then I notice the screen says "VIO ASYNCH 24/192". This is where the Aurender tells you what DAC it's paired with. I thought for a second it was a typo, that maybe the DAC uses a USB chipset from VIA.... but then I noticed I was actually using the USB input on the V281 rather than the stand-alone DAC. 

 

Keep in mind, the USB DAC add on is a $240 option. For it to fool me and not draw attention away from the expensive stand-alone unit, is pretty impressive. Most DACs I've heard in the sub $300 range would have been pretty clearly inferior, to the point where I think I would notice rather quickly. 

post #279 of 658
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Well, Mr.Fried macht keine Gefangenen. :evil:

post #280 of 658
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@ Zkadoush

There will be a upsized and a downsized version of V800 in the future.
If there will be a low feature V281 in the future I can not say in the moment. We must first check what the customers think about V281.

Also, the noise figure and the damping factor will not alter with such an amp, perhaps there will be improvements concerning crosstalk.

In the moment the response for V220 / V281 is amazing but this should stay for several months/years.

Those who own V220 / V281 by now are sort of "pioneers", trusting in our skills to set up remarkable gear.
I expect there will be much more interest when the first reviews are out ... and we will have delivery time like Mercedes in the 70ties ;-))

Greetz

Fried


Thanks again for your kind answer, Fried.

I have only recently tried out my HD 800s in balanced mode (well, right now I can afford any Amp up to 3K), and I am pretty much convinced of the benefits. So much that I would not consider necessary an Amp with SE headphone output(s) if I'm already happy with 4pin XLR balanced output. The same goes for a downsized V800. Especially if a standalone V281 (or V282, as you had in mind some time ago) can better the specs of the V181, and if a downsized V800 can maintain and/or better the specs of the current V800.

Right now, my dilemma is pretty much getting the best Amp possible, and so far I have only been able to audition Auralic's Taurus and Sennheiser's HDVD 800. The other two Amps in mind are of course the V281 and Questyle's CMA800R, which according to project86, pairs exceptionally well with the HD 800s.

I have to say that I have been impressed by both the Auralic and the Sennheiser, but perhaps especially with the Sennheiser. My experience with the SE output of the Sennheiser is as satisfactory as that with SE of the Taurus, but I heard a greater and more favorable difference between SE and balanced outputs with the Sennheiser. I will have the chance to audition them side by side next week, and that will certainly be an interesting listening. I would of course love to have a 281 for comparison.

The only downside of the Sennheiser, is that specs are virtually inexistent, which is a big marketing flaw in my opinion, as the Amps sounds great. The specs listed are however bested by the V281. Despite the specs of the V200 being slightly better than those of the V281, the 281 is still ahead of the Taurus specwise, and has more to offer for the same price in my humble opinion. I love the bass of my V100, but the Sennheiser is more refined, detailed and has an airier presentation, and apparently as much power on tap as the Taurus. The Sennheiser might not be as quiet as the Taurus, and perhaps this is due to higher gain, but it's impossible to tell since no specs are offered by Sennheiser regarding gain or output power into different loads.

I will be writing a couple of impressions when auditioning the Senn with the Auralic, but I might simply be a stubborn and die hard Violectric fan and go for the V281 anyhow, lol.

Cheers

post #281 of 658
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Thanks again for your kind answer, Fried.

I have only recently tried out my HD 800s in balanced mode (well, right now I can afford any Amp up to 3K), and I am pretty much convinced of the benefits. So much that I would not consider necessary an Amp with SE headphone output(s) if I'm already happy with 4pin XLR balanced output. The same goes for a downsized V800. Especially if a standalone V281 (or V282, as you had in mind some time ago) can better the specs of the V181, and if a downsized V800 can maintain and/or better the specs of the current V800.

Right now, my dilemma is pretty much getting the best Amp possible, and so far I have only been able to audition Auralic's Taurus and Sennheiser's HDVD 800. The other two Amps in mind are of course the V281 and Questyle's CMA800R, which according to project86, pairs exceptionally well with the HD 800s.

I have to say that I have been impressed by both the Auralic and the Sennheiser, but perhaps especially with the Sennheiser. My experience with the SE output of the Sennheiser is as satisfactory as that with SE of the Taurus, but I heard a greater and more favorable difference between SE and balanced outputs with the Sennheiser. I will have the chance to audition them side by side next week, and that will certainly be an interesting listening. I would of course love to have a 281 for comparison.

The only downside of the Sennheiser, is that specs are virtually inexistent, which is a big marketing flaw in my opinion, as the Amps sounds great. The specs listed are however bested by the V281. Despite the specs of the V200 being slightly better than those of the V281, the 281 is still ahead of the Taurus specwise, and has more to offer for the same price in my humble opinion. I love the bass of my V100, but the Sennheiser is more refined, detailed and has an airier presentation, and apparently as much power on tap as the Taurus. The Sennheiser might not be as quiet as the Taurus, and perhaps this is due to higher gain, but it's impossible to tell since no specs are offered by Sennheiser regarding gain or output power into different loads.

I will be writing a couple of impressions when auditioning the Senn with the Auralic, but I might simply be a stubborn and die hard Violectric fan and go for the V281 anyhow, lol.

Cheers

 

Based on its power consumption, HDVD800 doesnt deilver as much power as the Taurus or V281, the HDVD800 is specifically designed for the HD800, so the combo is a sure-go, but the key of the HDVD800 for the HD800 is the output impedance, which is rated in 16 ohm.

 

So, as the HDVD800 is a great amp for the HD800, I believe that you wont use it only for Sennheisers, bear in mind, V281, Taurus or CMA800R should be better options.

 

I can assure you that the HD800 out of XLR output do sound airy, controlled, tight, with muscle and detailed with the V281.


Edited by Megalomaniak - 8/12/14 at 12:37am
post #282 of 658
Thread Starter 

HDVD800's output impedance is 43 Ohms. 

post #283 of 658

Right, 16 ohms is in SE /facepalm.

post #284 of 658

16 ohms or 43 ohms are not unreasonable output impedances..... for a tube amp. 

 

Let's take a look at some of the current top solid state amps on the market. The Auralic Taurus is <1 ohm for SE output and ~3 ohms for the XLR. Questyle CMA800R is <1 ohm. V200, V220, and V281 are <1 ohm. Phonitor 2 is <1 ohm. GS-X 2 is <1 ohm. Do you see the trend?

 

What was Sennheiser thinking? I suppose it's not too terrible for damping factor on a 300 ohm model like HD800. Not quite ideal, especially with balanced output, but not terrible. But did they think nobody would want to use their own IE800? Or HD598? Or Grado, Audio Technica, Ultrasone, etc? 

post #285 of 658
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16 ohms or 43 ohms are not unreasonable output impedances..... for a tube amp. 

 

Let's take a look at some of the current top solid state amps on the market. The Auralic Taurus is <1 ohm for SE output and ~3 ohms for the XLR. Questyle CMA800R is <1 ohm. V200, V220, and V281 are <1 ohm. Phonitor 2 is <1 ohm. GS-X 2 is <1 ohm. Do you see the trend?

 

What was Sennheiser thinking? I suppose it's not too terrible for damping factor on a 300 ohm model like HD800. Not quite ideal, especially with balanced output, but not terrible. But did they think nobody would want to use their own IE800? Or HD598? Or Grado, Audio Technica, Ultrasone, etc? 

I believe it's 16 ohm output impedance, they advertise it's supposed to work with the HD700 also and that's 150 ohm.  But yea 16 isn't that bad and perfect for highly impedance headphones.

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