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post #16 of 30

^ that is what I was trying to get at basically. 

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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

 

Sorry, but the HE-500's soundstage is easily in the top 10% of headphones for 'big' soundstage.

its not really wide.. It has an open sound to it but it is a very cohesive sound and there isnt a lot of space inbetween instruments and it is not what I would call big. It is just right. The x1,akg's k712, k550, jvc dx700,he-6, hd800, t90 have what I would call bigger or to be more specific wider soundstages for someone to whom soundstage is priority. 

 

But imo the he-500 and t90(wayy bright) dont sound artificial in making a wide soundstage like some of the above do.

 

I think the battle of the flagships would back me up a little bit there if not all the way.

post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

 

I think the battle of the flagships would back me up a little bit there if not all the way.

Here's a quote from 'battle of the flagships':

''SOUNDSTAGE: The HE-500's soundstage presentation lacks a bit of dimensionality. However, it is still above average with regard to height and depth."

 

I really like the part where he said "above average".

 

About the part where he says it's lacking dimensionality - you need to understand, he's comparing this to the ultimate flagship headphones available. 

 

So the battle of the flagships doesn't back you up.

HE-500's have a big soundstage. I rest my case.

post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

Here's a quote from 'battle of the flagships':

''SOUNDSTAGE: The HE-500's soundstage presentation lacks a bit of dimensionality. However, it is still above average with regard to height and depth."

 

I really like the part where he said "above average".

 

About the part where he says it's lacking dimensionality - you need to understand, he's comparing this to the ultimate flagship headphones available. 

 

So the battle of the flagships doesn't back you up.

HE-500's have a big soundstage. I rest my case.

wow you sure did prove your point there. I am so convinced....

 

 

he is actually rating things in that review as a whole. I have read a lot of peoples opinions about the soundstage and most of them dont boast in it at all. Nor do they put it down. Also note how it is not listed in the soundstage head club. Even on the recent hifiman he400i and he560 I have heard comments of the likes. That of the hifiman line the one to take off in soundstage is the he-6. Some have even called it thick sounding though i wouldn't go that far. If soundstage was called neutral, above neutral, boosted, or recessed I would say these are slightly above neutral in soundstage and very cohesive. I dont like huge soundstages on headphones it sounds fake to me so I am not against the he500 at all because it and the t90 are perfect for me there. 

 

you think that it is wide then I would like to know which of the above headphones i have mentioned that you think it is wider than. When I say big i am speaking of width. 

 

if I wanted a headphone with big bass I would recommend a basshead hp. big soundstage a soundstage hp. etc etc.

 

 

It has a cohesive and decent soundstage that is not lacking with better than average imaging but nothing to point to for someone for whom soundstage is priority. They should be however satisfied with it  but I wouldnt call it big AT ALL.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/16/14 at 10:16am
post #19 of 30

First you say it doesn't have a big soundstage.

Now you're saying "I would say these are slightly above neutral in soundstage"

I don't even know what that means... are you talking about the Frequency Response now?

 

Either way, you're changing your argument. 

 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

 

you think that it is wide then I would like to know which of the above headphones i have mentioned that you think it is wider than. When I say big i am speaking of width. 

I never once talked about the actual characteristics of the HE-500's soundstage.

I know there are other headphones out there with BIGGER soundstages - but I'm still on the point where you said:

 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

 

I would go for the he500 or hd650 but neither of them have big soundstages. 

 

Which is false.

post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

1.a First you say it doesn't have a big soundstage.

1.b  Now you're saying "I would say these are slightly above neutral in soundstage"

I don't even know what that means... are you talking about the Frequency Response now?

 

2. Either way, you're changing your argument. 

 

I never once talked about the actual characteristics of the HE-500's soundstage.

I know there are other headphones out there with BIGGER soundstages - but I'm still on the point where you said:

 

 

3. Which is false.

1.a maybe YOU are confused as to MY definition of big soundstage. 

1.b I said "If soundstage was called neutral, above neutral, boosted, or recessed I would...." what that means is that some headphones have an intentionally widened soundstage and some have what would be average, above average etc.... so IF people used those words (neutral which really only means impartial) to describe soundstage(which for good reasons they dont) then i would say slightly above neutral or only slightly partial to a widened soundstage. 

 

I would say that it is only slightly above average in size. Meaning that it is only slightly partial in any emphasis on soundstage. It sounds like that wasn't the biggest priority of the designer or not even second or third on the list. That is what I thought of at the moment and should have said it this way but common sense would allow you to interpret that  IF you read the whole thing correctly. 

 

slightly above average is not what I would call BIG. slightly more bass than neutral usually wont satisfy someone who is looking for a headphone with a lot of bass. Slightly above average soundstage wont satisfy someone looking for A BIG SOUNDSTAGE it may be acceptable to them but not warrantable for recomendation. 

2. My argument hasnt changed but just has been expounded on and explained to you so that you can understand why I did not recommend it for someone with whom soundstage is PRIORITY.

 

3. Your interpretation of what I said is false. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/16/14 at 3:52pm
post #21 of 30

Okay, okay guys.  What you're arguing about is something that 99% of the public has no idea about so you can both take pride in knowing more than your average bear.  I'm grateful (as I'm sure OP is) that you two were so kind as to contribute to  his thread and help him but I think it's getting a bit off topic now. 

 

All jokes aside I bet the sound science section would be a very welcoming place for both of you.

post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

Okay, okay guys.  What you're arguing about is something that 99% of the public has no idea about so you can both take pride in knowing more than your average bear.  I'm grateful (as I'm sure OP is) that you two were so kind as to contribute to  his thread and help him but I think it's getting a bit off topic now. 

 

All jokes aside I bet the sound science section would be a very welcoming place for both of you.

you are right :tongue: so you won the argument lol 

post #23 of 30
Thread Starter 

Thanks Greq & Tomb. I'll listen to the AKG as there are a few places near by that sell them. Thanks to everyone else that has taken the time to post, I appreciate the information and incite.

post #24 of 30
Thread Starter 

Question on Beyerdynamic DT990. Anyone have experience with these? I know they are open back and have a little more base. How is sound quality? I'm not decided as of yet and want to listen to additional HP mentioned above but ran across these for a real good deal. May end up buying 2. These are the 600ohm version. Thanks.

post #25 of 30

I have the vintage DT990 600 ohm, which is a little darker than the modern one. 

Very nice big soundstage - phenomenal for gaming and movies. 

More of a 'fun' sound with accentuated bass and slightly accentuated treble. 

 

Sometimes a little 'un-intimate' sounding though as the mids can feel a bit recessed at times, depending on the music recording.

post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by Merrlen View Post
 

Question on Beyerdynamic DT990. Anyone have experience with these? I know they are open back and have a little more base. How is sound quality? I'm not decided as of yet and want to listen to additional HP mentioned above but ran across these for a real good deal. May end up buying 2. These are the 600ohm version. Thanks.

^good for gaming but dry and unimpressive for music. My brother told me they were the worst hp's i have had. I dont agree with him though. They are cool

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-1-27-2014-monster-dna-pro-added-edits

 

if you go to the above link and scroll down you can find a lot of information on headphones for what you are looking for there are a lot of options:

 

I think the x1, k712,k702 anniversary, ma900 would suite your for music and gaming. the he400 which has a similar soundstage to the he500 is described there as medium or not big or small. The listed would do it. The dt990 would be pretty good for gaming as well and it has good bass. My fav there would be the x1. But if not having a big soundstage was important and slightly above medium would do I would go for the he500 easily. It would be hard to get a more musical headphone that that for the price and you have the lyr. 

post #27 of 30
Thread Starter 

Thanks Grizzlybeast and everyone else. I'm going nuts listening to and reading reviews. I appreciate all the comments to date and appreciate any other input. I'll keep you all advised on what I buy or am leaning toward.

post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 

Update.

 

I'm getting a great deal on new Beyerdynamic DT990 $200 new sealed box from authorized dealer. I can't pass it up from the reviews I've read. This still leaves me in a dilemma as I'm  still looking for headphones. The HE500's are intriguing and I want to listen to them and may purchase. I'm also looking at others around the $500 - $600 price range to compare.

 

Other dilemma I'm looking at one of the Audio Techna's 900 either the open or closed, any input? Best Buy is selling online and I have enough in rewards to get a set for free. Any input on those? I'm looking to add a few headphones to my collection as I currently have Ultrasone HFI 780 I purchased and received (cringe) Bose over the ears as a gift.

 

Amp to run most o fthese are a Schitt Lyr. Any other suggestions. Also a good dac? Thanks.

post #29 of 30

Gotta give my vote to the HE-500. Any accusations that have to do with its soundstage are based on its relationship to some of the best imagers out there, but it's definitely not lacking.

 

Depending on when you purchased your Lyr, you might want to look into tube swapping. Most people are happy with the latest stock GE 6bz7 pair, but there's still plenty of room to customize and/or improve the sound. Currently running mine with Siemens 6922 A-frames, noticeably clearer in the highs and a much tighter (but not greater) bass. 

post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 

I've listened to a few more headphones and am starting to lean toward Hifiman HE 500 and Sennheiser HD650, the Hifiman is due to reviews as I haven't had a chance to listen to those yet. I appreciate all of your help and any additional input is welcome and appreciated.

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