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post #16 of 31
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Are you interested in them because they play SACD or for another reason?


I now have a 14 year old Sony DVP-S9000ES which does not play multi channel SACD. The OPPO and Sony SCD-XA5400ES will play multi channel SACD. The Sony outputs multi channel DSD over HDMI, while the OPPO outputs multi channel analog. Both players output balanced and unbalanced analog stereo SACD and CD; and, both units output digital S/PDIF  CD from coaxial and optical  connection. The Sony has an A+ rating from Stereophile Magizine. The Sony has a 5 year warranty. I have not heard a bad review of either the Sony or OPPO by  those that own one or the other. Some professional reviewers say the Sony sounds better while others say the OPPO sounds better. I do not know which I prefer as I have not heard any of my SACD's or CD's on either unit, thus my conundrum. The Sony's DSD output is most appealing but I will need to buy a preamp with DSD decoding capability to enjoy multi channel. The OPPO is appealing because it outputs multi channel RCA which can sent to my multi channel  analog preamp.

post #17 of 31
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I now have a 14 year old Sony DVP-S9000ES which does not play multi channel SACD. The OPPO and Sony SCD-XA5400ES will play multi channel SACD. The Sony outputs multi channel DSD over HDMI, while the OPPO outputs multi channel analog. Both players output balanced and unbalanced analog stereo SACD and CD; and, both units output digital S/PDIF  CD from coaxial and optical  connection. The Sony has an A+ rating from Stereophile Magizine. The Sony has a 5 year warranty. I have not heard a bad review of either the Sony or OPPO by  those that own one or the other. Some professional reviewers say the Sony sounds better while others say the OPPO sounds better. I do not know which I prefer as I have not heard any of my SACD's or CD's on either unit, thus my conundrum. The Sony's DSD output is most appealing but I will need to buy a preamp with DSD decoding capability to enjoy multi channel. The OPPO is appealing because it outputs multi channel RCA which can sent to my multi channel  analog preamp.

 

Are you planning to use the player mostly with headphones or speakers? I use Stereophile to find out about what's available. If they recommend something and it gets a lot of good reviews elsewhere, it stands to reason that the product's not bad. But their writing style puts me off: I don't trust them because they write like snobs. Besides that, they haven't proved to me that they know enough about headphones and headphone amps.

 

I don't need to play anything besides CDs. If Shaffer's right, my best choices are to stick with the O2 amp and buy a mid-priced Marantz (either CD5004 or CD6005)  OR  buy a new amp, such as the V200, and a more expensive player such as that Oppo or the Sony. Right now, I'm leaning toward the former out of habit.

post #18 of 31
I didn't recommend the Oppo, because of three factors: it needs a screen to take advantage of all of its features, it's a BD, so its logic is a bit different than a CDP, and it can be buggy at times needing a cold boot. None of these things bother me, in light of its sound quality and price, but others may not be as happy. If you don't plan to take advantage of its entire package, the Sony may be a better option for you.

I should mention, though, that the headamp in the 105 can drive all of the cans listed in my profile and in some ways sounds better than any of the HP amps I own. Its tonal balance is on the cool side; not something I'd call harmonically rich, but certainly not as threadbare as an O2. HTH
post #19 of 31

I did not know the OPPO would need a menu screen to take advantage of all its features, that's what keeps me from much appreciation of BD audio, I need to turn on the TV. The more I learn the more interesting the Sony SCD-XA5400ES. Just wish there was a DSD DAC out there so I would not need to buy a home theatre receiver to enjoy the multi channel from HDMI output. To the OP, I will be listening to audio for the most part over speakers. The idea is primarily to be able to enjoy my SACD's which have a multi channel SACD layer. In reading reviews of the Sony I have come to believe it will also deliver CD playback which is pretty good. I have a big collection of CD's and I still buy them, so I want good CD sound too.


Edited by sterling1 - 2/9/14 at 6:36am
post #20 of 31
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I did not know the OPPO would need a menu screen to take advantage of all its features, that's what keeps me from much appreciation of BD audio, I need to turn on the TV.

I'm not going to pretend that turning on the TV is an audiophile thrill. To be fair, that not necessary to play discs, but one still needs a screen to configure the machine. Oppo does offer downloadable apps that allow one to use his phone or an ipad, in lieu of the TV.
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The more I learn the more interesting the Sony SCD-XA5400ES. Just wish there was a DSD DAC out there so I would not need to buy a home theatre receiver to enjoy the multi channel from HDMI output. To the OP, I will be listening to audio for the most part over speakers. The idea is primarily to be able to enjoy my SACD's which have a multi channel SACD layer. In reading reviews of the Sony I have come to believe it will also deliver CD playback which is pretty good. I have a big collection of CD's and I still buy them, so I want good CD sound too.

Understandable. This leaves little choice outside the 105.
post #21 of 31
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I'm not going to pretend that turning on the TV is an audiophile thrill. To be fair, that not necessary to play discs, but one still needs a screen to configure the machine. Oppo does offer downloadable apps that allow one to use his phone or an ipad, in lieu of the TV.
Understandable. This leaves little choice outside the 105.

 

I was gonna say, when I use my Oppo for listening to my SACDs I don't switch on my TV. In terms of configuring, I set it once and I don't really play with it after that. Officially one is supposed to reset settings upon firmware updates but I usually don't bother.

 

I have been considering the ModWright mods on the BDP-105 too but I don't know how much of a difference it'll make.

post #22 of 31

You do know that hi-end CD players are obsolete technology, right?

post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by crimbo912 View Post

You do know that hi-end CD players are obsolete technology, right?

Which ones have you tried? Looking for recommendations. Thanks.
post #24 of 31
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You do know that hi-end CD players are obsolete technology, right?

It's truly a fascinating comment. Last year (2013) there were 165,400,000 CDs sold. Just so we're clear, that's over one hundred and sixty five million units. Just in 2013 and just what was reported via SoundScan. What should folks play those things with? I'd love to know. TIA
Edited by Shaffer - 2/9/14 at 5:15pm
post #25 of 31

The purpose of these high end CD players was that the CDs were read as close to perfect each time played. Now you can just stream music files out of your computer perfectly every time into your dac.

post #26 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crimbo912 View Post

The purpose of these high end CD players was that the CDs were read as close to perfect each time played. Now you can just stream music files out of your computer perfectly every time into your dac.

Have you tried any good CD players? Which do you recommend? I'm only interested in CD players. Thanks.
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by crimbo912 View Post

The purpose of these high end CD players was that the CDs were read as close to perfect each time played. Now you can just stream music files out of your computer perfectly every time into your dac.

You didn't answer the question. What are folks supposed to use for playing the 164+ million CDs sold just last year?
post #28 of 31
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According to the manuals, there's a difference in the power of the headphone jack between the Marantz CD5004 and the CD6005:
 
5004    "18 mW/32 ohms (variable maximum)"
6005    "28 mW/32 Ω/ohms (variable maximum)"
 
Should that influence my choice between the two models?
 
Other than that, I would prefer the 6005 because of the USB option were it not for this question and answer about the USB on SA8004: http://www.head-fi.org/t/503366/new-marantz-sa-8004/180#post_9667459. The 6005 doesn't have that better-sounding alternative input on the back of the player. Maybe Marantz has improved the front USB since their release of the SA8004 in 2010 as iDevices have proliferated?
 
Thank you all for your knowledge and help.
post #29 of 31
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I finally came to a decision and ordered the Marantz CD6005 today from Music Direct.

 

I want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. I learned quite a bit, especially about what an Oppo can offer.

 

A number of you (and a few others who did not post) were kind enough to help me via PM. I am very grateful to you for making a hard decision easier.

post #30 of 31

Congrats on the new Marantz CD6005.  Looks like a very nice CD player.  I still use one myself, though it's not all that fancy- Onkyo C-7030 for $200.

 

Anyway, aren't you at all curious to hear what a nice headphone amp would sound like?  Something with tubes maybe, like the Schiit Valhala?

 

Then again, it looks like Marantz put some thought into the headphone amp on that player.  That might be a nice, pure way to go.  Let us know how it sounds with your headphones.

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