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Sennheiser HD 518 VS Beyer DT 440 (Also headphones recommendations)

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hi guys, I'm new here :), and I would like your help.


I broke my Sennheiser PC320 and now I'm looking for a headphone for 100 EUR or less, I'm between the Sennheiser HD 518 and the Beyer DT 440. Which one of these would be better? I mainly want them for music, but I also do a lot of gaming.


I listen to a lot of genres, rock, drum n' bass, nightcore, trance, instrumental, OST, math rock and so on.


I don't know what type of sound I want, I had my Sennheiser HD515 and I was pretty happy with them for like 4 years, as well as the PC320, both very comfortable and sounded great. I guess a balanced sound would be the best.


Anyway, thanks! And excuse my poor English.

post #2 of 14
Thread Starter 

Any suggestions? I really don't know what to buy :(

post #3 of 14
Hi,

You should also consider Yamaha HPH-200. This are on-ear open back headphones with punchy bass, overall warm sound signature with lively highs. Great all rounders. I think this headphones are hard to beat in terms of sound quality at their price point.

Best Luck!
Edited by Me x3 - 2/5/14 at 7:45pm
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 

My budget increased a little bit and I was considering getting the Sennheiser HD 558, do you think those Yamaha you mention are better?

post #5 of 14
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My budget increased a little bit and I was considering getting the Sennheiser HD 558, do you think those Yamaha you mention are better?

 

Both are very good headphones but also very different. Yamahas provide a more engaging and lively presentation of sound, while Sennheiser's sound is smooth and relaxing (with less bass).

 

For the genres you've listed I would pick Yamaha's HPH-200, since the extra bass is more than welcome for rock, trance and OST.

 

The best choice is down to preference. Anyway you can't go wrong with any of this headphones.

post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your recommendation, I've been looking at reviews and people's opinions on those headphones and everybody thinks they are pretty good.

However, I wear headphones for long periods of time, most of the time all day long, and the Yamaha's doesn't seem too comfortable, especially compared to the Sennheiser, which I know from experience that you don't even notice they are on your head.

They are much cheaper than the HD 558 though, they cost 83 EUR and the Sennheiser 130 EUR.

Anyway, you seem like you know what you are talking about, so probably I'm gonna take the gamble and pick the yamaha, even though I've always had Sennheiser. Just wanna make sure they are not uncomfortable enough to make me regret buying them.

Also, how are the vocals on these? Would I need an amp to make them shine? if so, what cheap options are there?


Sorry for asking too many things, I really appreciate your help! :beyersmile:

post #7 of 14
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Thanks for your recommendation, I've been looking at reviews and people's opinions on those headphones and everybody thinks they are pretty good.

However, I wear headphones for long periods of time, most of the time all day long, and the Yamaha's doesn't seem too comfortable, especially compared to the Sennheiser, which I know from experience that you don't even notice they are on your head.

They are much cheaper than the HD 558 though, they cost 83 EUR and the Sennheiser 130 EUR.

Anyway, you seem like you know what you are talking about, so probably I'm gonna take the gamble and pick the yamaha, even though I've always had Sennheiser. Just wanna make sure they are not uncomfortable enough to make me regret buying them.

Also, how are the vocals on these? Would I need an amp to make them shine? if so, what cheap options are there?


Sorry for asking too many things, I really appreciate your help! :beyersmile:

Comfort is a pretty personal thing, I've heard people saying that Beyerdynamic DT880s are uncomfortable!!

 

That said, Sennheisers have the edge in terms of comfort this time. I find this Yamahas to provide very good comfort being On-Ear type and the 'velour-like' earpads combined with the open design help to keep your ears at a normal temperature.

I've used my HPH-200 for over 2 hours without having any problems. But again, comfort is a personal thing.

 

HPH-200 definitely don't need extra amplification to sound very good, but you can still get a little extra clarity and precision if you use good quality DAC, good quality Amp and good recordings.


You should consider Fiio E10 or E07K (Both USB DAC/Amps)

 

Vocals on HPH-200 sound very good to me. This are really forgiving headphones and that's very good for vocals.
Recording vocals is not easy, and compression (present on most modern recordings) really affect vocals (Harsh, metalic sound, sibilance, etc).

 

You won't notice most of this flaws on recordings using HPH-200s. They simply sound good and let you enjoy the music.

 

(On the other hand, my Beyerdynamic DT990 are extremely detailed and uncolored in comparison, but most vocals sound flawed trough them, except some masterful recordings)

 

I guess the price difference is because this Yamahas are pretty unknown. Their original price (msrp) was 199 dollars in the U.S.

 

Sennheiser HD558s provide a relaxing and really comfortable experience.

 

Yamaha Hph-200s provide a more lively experience, full of energy and warmth.

 

You decide!

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

Well, we got a winner, already bought a pair of Yamaha on amazon!


Thanks for you help!

post #9 of 14

You're welcome! Hope you enjoy your new headphones! :beyersmile:

post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

Well, they already arrived, and I gotta say I'm dissapointed. :(

They sound like my old Sennheiser 515 but with way too much emphasis on bass, to the point it muffles the rest of the song and it sounds terrible, and I can already feel that they will hurt if I have them for long periods of time. The cable is super short aswell.

I'll keep them for a couple of days to see if they start sounding better, if not I will return them to amazon and buy the PC 320 again.

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Linksum View Post
 

Well, they already arrived, and I gotta say I'm dissapointed. :(

They sound like my old Sennheiser 515 but with way too much emphasis on bass, to the point it muffles the rest of the song and it sounds terrible, and I can already feel that they will hurt if I have them for long periods of time. The cable is super short aswell.

I'll keep them for a couple of days to see if they start sounding better, if not I will return them to amazon and buy the PC 320 again.

Our hearing is really comparative. When you listen a lot of hours to a particular sound signature your mind takes that kind of sound as a reference. Then if you try other sound signature at first you probably won't like it. This happens all the time, for example going from a punchy AudioTechnica M50 to a neutral Beyerdynamic DT880 can be a very disapointing experience at first.

 

I've always liked my HPH-200 over my Fidelio L1, but once I decided to use only my L1s for a month or so. After that I took my HPH-200 and guess what? I liked more my Fidelios at first listen.
Of course, after some hours comparing I finally prefered my HPH-200 again.

 

Same happens if I use my Fidelios for a while and then take my Beyerdynamics, they sound thin and lack bass at first listen.

 

I'm not saying you should like your Yamahas, I'm suggesting you to give your mind some time to get comfortable with the new sound (20 or 30 hours without using other headphones).

 

The cable is pretty short because they are intended for portable use but they include a cable extension (at least mine).

 

I've already stated that comfort is a pretty personal thing. I guess the clamping force become a bit less tight after some time but it's probably more important the way you wear them. While writing I'm using mine, indeed I'm using mine since an hour ago and I find them really comfortable. I use them a bit angled, in such a way that they hardly touch my ears.

 

I use those 20 degrees that the earpad can swivel.

Adjusting the headband a bit larger often improves comfort as well.

 

What songs or albums are you listening to?

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

I listened to a bunch of songs I had, 65Daysofstatic - Aren't We All Running, Nine Inch Nails - We're In This Together, Vast - I'm Dying, Yoko Kanno - Cyberbird, Yoko Kanno - Silent Cruise, even some flac songs. They all sounded muffled because of the bass.

I justed packed them in the box again and asked for a change in amazon for the PC320, even if they started sounding better I don't think they cost the price for what I payed for. The PC320 already sound good and they got a pretty nice mic, the comfort is amazing too.


Anyway, thanks for your recommendation! A shame it didn't work out for me but oh well. Maybe in the future I will try my luck again but for now I will go for what I know works for me :gs1000smile:.

 

post #13 of 14

They weren't probably your cup of tea.

 

From now on stay away from v-shaped sound signatures!
Look for relaxing, smooth, mid-centric, transparent, etc.

 

Best Luck!

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your recommendation, you've been very helpful! This was at least a good experience in finding what type of headphones I like more.

Cheers!

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