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250 budget for headphones and need direction.

post #1 of 23
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As you could probably tell from my post count, I'm fairly new to the whole "Head-Fi" scene. I mainly work with home stereo, which I'd imagine has a lot of common ground. I have a Peachtree Decco65 that I want to use to drive a pair of headphones. I'm fairly set on finding a used pair of Sennheiser HD 650's. I've seen a few pairs in my area go for around 250, although there are none up currently.

 

Would this amp be able to effectively drive these headphones? I don't really care to spend more money on a headphone amp.

 

If this amp cannot drive these headphones effectively, what are my other options? I prefer a fairly open sound. Imaging, lack of strain on highs, and an overall detailed sound are all important to me. Comfort is also a priority. I plan to be using whatever headphones I buy for longer listening sessions, so probably something that isn't fatiguing.

 

Thanks in advance, I really hope this post wasn't all over the place. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

 

EDIT: I've read through the forums a bit and I see that the Pioneer SE-A1000 are often compared to the Sennheiser HD650. Are they really that similar? I didn't really want to read through a 65 page thread. Can anybody summarize the general consensus for me?


Edited by xmakeafistx - 2/4/14 at 1:22pm
post #2 of 23
Seems like a fairly nice amp, although the output impedance of the headphone jack is a little high, but no problem with the 300 Ohm HD650.

Headphone Amplifer
Class A output with 6N1P tube in the circuit
Maximum output power: 100mW into 8 Ohm / 300mW into 150 Ohm / 150mW into 300 Ohm
Output impedance: <30Ω
Suitable for all electrodynamic headphones

I think you should be OK with driving the HD650.

I have briefly heard both those 'phones, but not back-to-back and I really can't offer an opinion on whether they are similar.
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Seems like a fairly nice amp, although the output impedance of the headphone jack is a little high, but no problem with the 300 Ohm HD650.

Headphone Amplifer
Class A output with 6N1P tube in the circuit
Maximum output power: 100mW into 8 Ohm / 300mW into 150 Ohm / 150mW into 300 Ohm
Output impedance: <30Ω
Suitable for all electrodynamic headphones

I think you should be OK with driving the HD650.

I have briefly heard both those 'phones, but not back-to-back and I really can't offer an opinion on whether they are similar.

I appreciate the good reply. I read those specifications and didn't really know what of make of them. What role does the output impedance play? Just out of curiosity. Thanks for all of the good feedback!

post #4 of 23
If were in you're boots I'd go for the dt880's, they go for pretty cheap used and a brand new pair could be bought under $250.
They come in variable impedence, 32, 250, and 600ohms. I recently sold a pair 250ohm I deeply regret it (financial issues)
They were very very neutral yet detailed headphones I'd suggest go with the 250 ohm your decco65 will drive them gracefully.
post #5 of 23

Also check out the AKG K70(x) or the Q701 great headphones, just fix the headband for comfort. The HD650 are great can't comment on the Pioneers. The DT880 would be a good option too.

post #6 of 23
A general rule of thumb is that the headphone impedance should be at least 8X the output impedance of the amp's headphone jack. There are electrical reasons for this that are related to stability of the amp and other things. So, if your amp's headphone jack has an output impedance of 30 Ohms, then that means you ideally should be using headphones with an an impedance of around 240 Ohms or more. This is not a hard rule (more of a guideline), and you probably can use headphones with less than 240 Ohms, but using 16 Ohm IEMs on your amp is probably not going to work very well - in fact, some amps would simply not output when they saw that load.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

A general rule of thumb is that the headphone impedance should be at least 8X the output impedance of the amp's headphone jack. There are electrical reasons for this that are related to stability of the amp and other things. So, if your amp's headphone jack has an output impedance of 30 Ohms, then that means you ideally should be using headphones with an an impedance of around 240 Ohms or more. This is not a hard rule (more of a guideline), and you probably can use headphones with less than 240 Ohms, but using 16 Ohm IEMs on your amp is probably not going to work very well - in fact, some amps would simply not output when they saw that load.

Thanks for clearing that up! That is very good to know.

 

As for the suggestions on other headphones.. The AKG's look very nice for daily listening. I really like the look of them and they seem to be in my price range. I'm not a fan of how the Beyerdynamics looked, after reading some reviews I hear that its a treble monster and thats something I'm fairly sensitive to.

 

If I can't find a pair of Sennheiser HD 650's I'm probably going to settle for the AKG's. I've just always been curious of the Sennheiser sound. Its really something I look forward to hearing. Does anybody know of places other than CL where I can buy used headphones? I've tried eBay but everything seems to be out of my price range.

post #8 of 23
Why, head-fi, of course!! We have the best headphone buy/sell on the interwebs.
http://www.head-fi.org/f/6550/headphones-for-sale-trade
post #9 of 23

HiFiMAN he-300 should be fine :)

post #10 of 23
If you can streatch that budget a little, Hi-fI Man is now selling the HE-400 for $299. Go to his website.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by fatcat28037 View Post

If you can streatch that budget a little, Hi-fI Man is now selling the HE-400 for $299. Go to his website.

Correct! if its sound sign is for him, HE-400 will be good choice

post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 

I've been browsing through the classifieds and can't seem to find the HD 650's in my price range. After seeing a few of the ads I'm starting to think my budget of 250 for the 650's may be unrealistic (even though a few locals were willing to let them go for that much, no longer around now though) The HiFi Mans HE-300 looks promising, so does the HE-400. To be honest, I'm not too big of a fan of buying new. I greatly prefer to buy used. I'll look for them on the classifieds. 

post #13 of 23

Haven't hear HD650 yet. But somebody said that he-300 has sound sign close to HD650. good for all-rounders in that price-range!

post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post
 

Haven't hear HD650 yet. But somebody said that he-300 has sound sign close to HD650. good for all-rounders in that price-range!

Thats good to know, I'll look into them! I think there was a pair on CL for fairly cheap.

post #15 of 23
Have you ever noticed that for every other pretty good headphone, there is someone, somewhere saying that it sounds sort of like the HD650?? tongue.gif
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