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post #511 of 2288
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Originally Posted by krist2an View Post

Well I really don't want to believe that Ibuygou is selling fakes, it just does not seem a legit thing to do. The reason I ordered from Ibuygou was the fact that many different MIUI sites claimed that Ibuygou is one of the few real resellers. 
And if you look at THIS early review from the official MIUI forum, written by a moderator, then you can see that his Pistons also do not have the clip and S/M/L markings. So I really don't believe that the Pistons ordered from Ibuygou are fake, maybe they are just an older revision. And maybe the ones with the clip are fakes? 

the ones with clip are the latest batch and it is not hard to confirm it from various sources. My previous pic from baidu showed that the earlier batch might not have the clip.

miuiandroid is a fansite of miui with consent from xiaomi, yet they are not officially related. ibuygou is one of the official partners of miuiandroid.

it is true that many sources say that ibuygou is legit and there are loads of good words from their customers. apart from not being an official channel of xiaomi product, i believe they do not want to ruin their reputation by selling fakes
post #512 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

The problem being, is that MIUI is just a modified Android OS, not Xiaomi retail. That's like saying a moderator at XDA-Developers.org sells genuine Pistons because they also work on MIUI and Android Roms.

 

The last line says it all, "Please however be aware the only 100% official retail outlet for Xiaomi is xiaomi.com."

 

I would also add Xiaomi's Taobao store to that. Anything else is just taking a risk for an "older version", or a fake.

 

Would you also add penonaudio as well?  This is more just out of curiosity.  I don't think I'll be buying another pair.. but more just asking for the sake of this thread.

post #513 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

The problem being, is that MIUI is just a modified Android OS, not Xiaomi retail. That's like saying a moderator at XDA-Developers.org sells genuine Pistons because they also work on MIUI and Android Roms.

 

The last line says it all, "Please however be aware the only 100% official retail outlet for Xiaomi is xiaomi.com."

 

I would also add Xiaomi's Taobao store to that. Anything else is just taking a risk for an "older version", or a fake.

Sorry but that example with XDA is a pretty bad one. MIUI is not some random Android mod that Xiaomi uses - Xiaomi developed MIUI. But anyway, this discussion is kinda ridiculous - first people claim the ibuyugo ones are 100% legit and recommend people to buy from them and praise the pistons to the sky. Then someone else finds another version few months later and starts claiming it's the real one and the other ones are probably fakes despite all the hype and claims of the very same people couple of months ago that those Pistons, which they now claim are "supposed fakes", were the next best thing since sliced bread.  IMO it's highly possible xiaomi updated the pistons without announcing it just like several companies in the past have released updates on their models and created frustration and confusion - vsonic for example, which tended to change stuff like L, R markings, cable plugs, colors and packaginf.

Now people start to worry what version they have and considering buying the pistons again and that completely beats the purpose of those $20-25 iems coz IMO once you buy 2-3 pairs to see if there is a "better one" of the bunch to call the "real one", you will spend more money than the actual performance is worth.

post #514 of 2288
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Sorry but that example with XDA is a pretty bad one. MIUI is not some random Android mod that Xiaomi uses - Xiaomi developed MIUI. But anyway, this discussion is kinda ridiculous - first people claim the ibuyugo ones are 100% legit and recommend people to buy from them and praise the pistons to the sky. Then someone else finds another version few months later and starts claiming it's the real one and the other ones are probably fakes despite all the hype and claims of the very same people couple of months ago that those Pistons, which they now claim are "supposed fakes", were the next best thing since sliced bread.  IMO it's highly possible xiaomi updated the pistons without announcing it just like several companies in the past have released updates on their models and created frustration and confusion - vsonic for example, which tended to change stuff like L, R markings, cable plugs, colors and packaginf.

Now people start to worry what version they have and considering buying the pistons again and that completely beats the purpose of those $20-25 iems coz IMO once you buy 2-3 pairs to see if there is a "better one" of the bunch to call the "real one", you will spend more money than the actual performance is worth.

Google developed Android. MIUI is a highly modified Android Rom created by Xiaomi. This does not mean anything when it comes to retail. Ibuygou may be an MIUIAndroid sponsor, but that does not mean they are an authorized seller of the Xiaomi Pistons. Maybe, maybe not. A moderator at an MIUI forum is not an official Xiaomi representative like people are claiming.

 

Yes, this multiple version thing sucks, and this is one of the caveats of purchasing directly from China. Without any official confirmation, everything is speculation.  It could be different versions, it could be fakes. No one knows for sure.

 

As of right now, It seems that Penon Audio and Xiaomi themselves are the only ones confirmed to carry the "new version" or actual legit version. All I know is, they sound different, and the packaging changes are noticeable.

 

People like me buy these and compare so other people don't have to. I would have liked to have known the differences myself and saved the money, but that info wasn't available. Now it is, and for everyone else too.

 

The ibuygou ones actually sound good, but not the same. No one is holding a gun to your head to purchase any of them.


Edited by bhazard - 3/3/14 at 9:42am
post #515 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

The problem being, is that MIUI is just a modified Android OS, not Xiaomi retail. That's like saying a moderator at XDA-Developers.org sells genuine Pistons because they also work on MIUI and Android Roms.

The last line says it all, "Please however be aware the only 100% official retail outlet for Xiaomi is xiaomi.com."

I would also add Xiaomi's Taobao store to that. Anything else is just taking a risk for an "older version", or a fake.

Xiaomi developed MIUI. Then they went to hardware business when MIUI got real popular.

MIUI is available for other phones since it's open source.
post #516 of 2288
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post

Sorry but that example with XDA is a pretty bad one. MIUI is not some random Android mod that Xiaomi uses - Xiaomi developed MIUI. But anyway, this discussion is kinda ridiculous - first people claim the ibuyugo ones are 100% legit and recommend people to buy from them and praise the pistons to the sky. Then someone else finds another version few months later and starts claiming it's the real one and the other ones are probably fakes despite all the hype and claims of the very same people couple of months ago that those Pistons, which they now claim are "supposed fakes", were the next best thing since sliced bread.  IMO it's highly possible xiaomi updated the pistons without announcing it just like several companies in the past have released updates on their models and created frustration and confusion - vsonic for example, which tended to change stuff like L, R markings, cable plugs, colors and packaginf.
Now people start to worry what version they have and considering buying the pistons again and that completely beats the purpose of those $20-25 iems coz IMO once you buy 2-3 pairs to see if there is a "better one" of the bunch to call the "real one", you will spend more money than the actual performance is worth.

100% agree
post #517 of 2288
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Originally Posted by ThePhoenix84md View Post


Xiaomi developed MIUI. Then they went to hardware business when MIUI got real popular.

MIUI is available for other phones since it's open source.

Xiaomi developing MIUI has nothing to do with Xiaomi retail at all. An MIUIandroid moderator has nothing to do with Xiaomi's retail side. This is why an MIUIandroid moderator "confirming" ibuygou is legit holds absolutely no weight, as they do not work for Xiaomi. The first words on the miuiandroid website are "International Unofficial MIUI ROM Support since 2010".

 

This is why being an official partner with MIUIandroid also means nothing when it comes to the retail side. The analogy is correct.

post #518 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Xiaomi developing MIUI has nothing to do with Xiaomi retail at all. An MIUIandroid moderator has nothing to do with Xiaomi's retail side. This is why an MIUIandroid moderator "confirming" ibuygou is legit holds absolutely no weight, as they do not work for Xiaomi. The first words on the miuiandroid website are "International Unofficial MIUI ROM Support since 2010".

This is why being an official partner with MIUIandroid also means nothing when it comes to the retail side. The analogy is correct.

The MIUI links I went to is MIUI.com. Which is officially part of Xiaomi.

There are unofficial MIUI rooms that have been ported over to other devices but there is a list of official rooms too.

The links aren't to miuandroid. But MIUI.com

At the bottom is clearly states "Beijing xiaomi corporation".

And the forums on MIUI.com state that Ibuygou is official.

Not trying to be disrespectful but that's just the facts.




Edited by ThePhoenix84md - 3/3/14 at 10:11am
post #519 of 2288
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Originally Posted by ThePhoenix84md View Post


The MIUI links I went to is MIUI.com. Which is officially part of Xiaomi.

There are unofficial MIUI rooms that have been ported over to other devices but there is a list of official rooms too.

The links aren't to miuandroid. But MIUI.com

At the bottom is clearly states "Beijing xiaomi corporation".

And the forums on MIUI.com state that Ibuygou is official.

Not trying to be disrespectful but that's just the facts.

What fact? This is what you are not understanding.

 

Prove to me, anywhere, that the persons making that claim are employed by Xiaomi and has any ties whatsoever to their retail division. We said it was official too, and look how well that turned out.

post #520 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

What fact? This is what you are not understanding.

Prove to me, anywhere, that the persons making that claim are employed by Xiaomi and has any ties whatsoever to their retail division. We said it was official too, and look how well that turned out.

It's clear that MIUI.com. Is owned and operated by xiaomi. The mods of miui.com forums are stating that Ibuygou is an official reseller of Xiaomi.

Unless the "Beijing xiaomi corporation" at the bottom of miui.com isn't official for you. Maybe xiaomi is letting the website they own and operate advocate unofficial resellers.
post #521 of 2288

Can someone who speaks chinese take a look at this: http://www.mistertao.com/beta/pages/item/27003520982.html

Is the seller legit? The price is really good. 

Is there a logo patch at the side? Never seen it before on other pictures. 

 

@bhazard: The 2014 version of the pistons seems to have a higher impedance (16 ohm) than the "older" one (12 ohm). 

Maybe that is the reason of the difference in sound/ loudness.

post #522 of 2288
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Originally Posted by ThePhoenix84md View Post


It's clear that MIUI.com. Is owned and operated by xiaomi. The mods of miui.com forums are stating that Ibuygou is an official reseller of Xiaomi.

Unless the "Beijing xiaomi corporation" at the bottom of miui.com isn't official for you. Maybe xiaomi is letting the website they own and operate advocate unofficial resellers.

You still don't understand. No, it's not official, not in the slightest.

 

You weren't able to answer my question, so that should help you understand what I'm saying. A moderator of a forum is not automatically employed by that company, nor are they an official representative to speak of all factions of that company. Just because my company owns Hostess, does not mean I know a damn thing about Hostess, nor am I an official source of info, even though I am employed by them.

post #523 of 2288
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Originally Posted by WiKi View Post
 

Can someone who speaks chinese take a look at this: http://www.mistertao.com/beta/pages/item/27003520982.html

Is the seller legit? The price is really good. 

Is there a logo patch at the side? Never seen it before on other pictures. 

 

@bhazard: The 2014 version of the pistons seems to have a higher impedance (16 ohm) than the "older" one (12 ohm). 

Maybe that is the reason of the difference in sound/ loudness.

That's the same price as from xiaomi.tmall.com. Why take the chance when you can just get them from Xiaomi themselves?

post #524 of 2288

There's no point in speculating who was official or not though.. I understand we've all got a sense of pride or ego but let's just let it go. 

 

No one should be worried about having fakes unless they sound terrible.  The guys who bought from inshoes knows what I'm talking about.  I hope this doesn't prompt people to go back to ibuygou and ask for a refund even though their Pistons sound great.

 

As of now, Pistons v2.0 from itzitk15 on ebay are currently my favorite iems.  If they are indeed fake, I want to know who made them so I can try more of their fakes. 

post #525 of 2288

you guys are really making this whole experience horrible.  like already mentioned, it's pretty easy to tell the fakes from real ones if you know what to look for.  it's pretty blatant.  when mine arrive from ibuygou, first thing i'm going to do is compare the IEMS with the pictures.  i don't care about the packaging.  

 

i know you guys are just trying to protect other buyers, but you have managed to create more doubt than anything.  


Edited by luberconn - 3/3/14 at 11:26am
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