New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Xiaomi Pistons Thread - Page 88

post #1306 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin View Post
 

 

Got mine today (thank you China next-day bike delivery) and have been listening for a few hours.

 

My early impressions below (using large stock tips worn straight down).

 

Build Quality

These LOOK very good. The materials used don't actually feel that high quality, though they are very well designed. The packaging is great (and ya it smells like chocolate which is freaky). I love how Xiaomi not only copies everything Apple but even make their accessories Apple-supported, so the Apple-style remote on the cable is a plus.

 

Comfort & Fit

The Pistons don't seem to be designed for very deep insertion, as the housing scrapes up against your ear when you press it in. They are very light though and with the stock tips have rested in my ears for last few hours with no problems (will try Monster gels and comply tips later).

 

Sound (summary)

Good for a 100RMB IEM ($16). Really good for that price. In general... not great by any means.

 

Bass

I remember a time not long ago when it was impossible to find decent bass on cheap IEMs. The quantity here is good, especially compared to Apple's IEMs which are an order of magnitude more expensive. Even without a good seal you get good bass quantity which surprised me a lot.

 

These are bass-heavy earphones. Very full-bodied. Deadmau5 was awesome here. Pretty Lights was so fun.

 

Unfortunately, there is no real sub-bass to speak of (missing rumble), and the mid-bass– though a nice thick/smooth sound– is not particularly "fast" or accurate. The songs I always use to test bass on IEMs are "Hip-Hop" by Dead Prez and the Zeds Dead remix of "Paradise Circus" by Massive Attack. The bass definitely comes out (way better than any other cheapo IEM I have tried), but comparing to IEMs in $100+ range? They lose clearly.

 

Mids / Treble

The upper bass comes into the mids a little too much. The mids are recessed to begin with I think, and also a bit thin and lacking in detail. The mids are not bad at all, they just don't "sing" as well as other (much more expensive) IEMs. This is the case literally on several tracks I listened to where the vocals really seemed overwhelmed by the warm signature. It doesn't happen on all songs, and I found it funny that a few hip-hop artists I always thought were too "in your face" were more tolerable on these phones :) – I'm talking about people like Common Market and Immortal Technique.

 

In general I found vocals and other mids just a bit too recessed and veiled, leading to me missing some intricacies that make vocals powerful. "Little Lion Man" by Mumford and Sons, for example, is usually an emotionally gripping song for me but with the Pistons it felt more like a sick beat instead of the awesome lyrical journey it usually is.

 

Like the mids, the treble is not bad at all, but lacking in detail. Treble also does not extend too far, though in my opinion this is not a huge problem. To me the bigger problem (and I say "problem" here only in relation to IEMs that are not $16) is detail is missing. Again, female singers that are usually heart-melting for me (Kinna Grannis, Priscilla Ahn, Lauryn Hill) did not capture me or take me on a ride.

 

Soundstage

Way better than other cheapo IEMs I've tried, though not "spacious". I did listen to the virtual barbershop video on youtube today and it owned me with these on :)

 

Isolation

Despite not easily being able to get a good seal, several people at work tried to talk to me today and I had absolutely no idea they were there. Volume was not even high, so I guess isolation is good (and I'm a horrible manager!)

 

Microphonics

Horrible when worn straight down, not a problem when worn over the ear.

 

So in general, these earphones– which are basically free– are incredibly high value in all aspects. I'm not sure, however, that they measure up to the immense hype I've been reading in this thread! I very much doubt they match the Dunu 1ks for instance (though I've never tried), and I will make a comparison when I go and demo (aka buy) the Dunu 2ks tomorrow :)

 

Cheers,

Pin

 

 

Great review!

 

I agree with you on soundstage. I personally think the soundstage is compatible to that of the older model soundmagic pl30, with better clarity and bass.....but, of course less mids. I would suggest giving them at least 50 to 100 hours of burn-in time to get a better feel, and better results.

 

Also, ear tips do make a difference. Some reviewers say that the T400 comply foam tips makes a big difference and gives it great balance. I also suggested in this thread that the medium tips that comes inside your piston box labeled "M" might just be a better fit. And might even give you better controlled bass and better clarity.

 

None the less, it is a great buy! And I agree with you when you say "-are incredibly high value in all aspects".

 

Enjoy! :beerchug:

post #1307 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

Great review!

 

I agree with you on soundstage. I personally think the soundstage is compatible to that of the older model soundmagic pl30, with better clarity and bass.....but, of course less mids. I would suggest giving them at least 50 to 100 hours of burn-in time to get a better feel, and better results.

 

Also, ear tips do make a difference. Some reviewers say that the T400 comply foam tips makes a big difference and gives it great balance. I also suggested in this thread that the medium tips that comes inside your piston box labeled "M" might just be a better fit. And might even give you better controlled bass and better clarity.

 

None the less, it is a great buy! And I agree with you when you say "-are incredibly high value in all aspects".

 

Enjoy! :beerchug:

The soundstage for me is one of the best I've tried. They have great imaging, as well; however, I did find the front and back to be too close to be distinguishable from each other. But seriously, no matter how hard you look, you won't find an IEM that looks, feels, and sounds this good at under 20 bucks.

 

As for burn-in time, I completely agree with you, 1clearhead. For me, the bass has improved and becomes tighter and more refined, mids amp up their game, and treble is crisper.

 

But for best results, performing the filter mod will significantly alter the SQ (for the better, of course). The mod is done by using a needle or tweezers and taking out the mesh on the earphones (if you're careful, you could even place them back on as if nothing happened). Once you've taken out the mesh, remove the foam filter inside. It's that foam filter which gives it the boomy, muddy bass that it has.

 

The mod does great things to the SQ of your Pistons. The bass tightens up and is punchier and less muddy, the mids are clearer and take a step forward, and the treble is given more sparkle. You should give it a try.

post #1308 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin View Post
 

 

Got mine today (thank you China next-day bike delivery) and have been listening for a few hours.

 

My early impressions below (using large stock tips worn straight down).

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Build Quality

These LOOK very good. The materials used don't actually feel that high quality, though they are very well designed. The packaging is great (and ya it smells like chocolate which is freaky). I love how Xiaomi not only copies everything Apple but even make their accessories Apple-supported, so the Apple-style remote on the cable is a plus.

 

Comfort & Fit

The Pistons don't seem to be designed for very deep insertion, as the housing scrapes up against your ear when you press it in. They are very light though and with the stock tips have rested in my ears for last few hours with no problems (will try Monster gels and comply tips later).

 

Sound (summary)

Good for a 100RMB IEM ($16). Really good for that price. In general... not great by any means.

 

Bass

I remember a time not long ago when it was impossible to find decent bass on cheap IEMs. The quantity here is good, especially compared to Apple's IEMs which are an order of magnitude more expensive. Even without a good seal you get good bass quantity which surprised me a lot.

 

These are bass-heavy earphones. Very full-bodied. Deadmau5 was awesome here. Pretty Lights was so fun.

 

Unfortunately, there is no real sub-bass to speak of (missing rumble), and the mid-bass– though a nice thick/smooth sound– is not particularly "fast" or accurate. The songs I always use to test bass on IEMs are "Hip-Hop" by Dead Prez and the Zeds Dead remix of "Paradise Circus" by Massive Attack. The bass definitely comes out (way better than any other cheapo IEM I have tried), but comparing to IEMs in $100+ range? They lose clearly.

 

Mids / Treble

The upper bass comes into the mids a little too much. The mids are recessed to begin with I think, and also a bit thin and lacking in detail. The mids are not bad at all, they just don't "sing" as well as other (much more expensive) IEMs. This is the case literally on several tracks I listened to where the vocals really seemed overwhelmed by the warm signature. It doesn't happen on all songs, and I found it funny that a few hip-hop artists I always thought were too "in your face" were more tolerable on these phones :) – I'm talking about people like Common Market and Immortal Technique.

 

In general I found vocals and other mids just a bit too recessed and veiled, leading to me missing some intricacies that make vocals powerful. "Little Lion Man" by Mumford and Sons, for example, is usually an emotionally gripping song for me but with the Pistons it felt more like a sick beat instead of the awesome lyrical journey it usually is.

 

Like the mids, the treble is not bad at all, but lacking in detail. Treble also does not extend too far, though in my opinion this is not a huge problem. To me the bigger problem (and I say "problem" here only in relation to IEMs that are not $16) is detail is missing. Again, female singers that are usually heart-melting for me (Kinna Grannis, Priscilla Ahn, Lauryn Hill) did not capture me or take me on a ride.

 

Soundstage

Way better than other cheapo IEMs I've tried, though not "spacious". I did listen to the virtual barbershop video on youtube today and it owned me with these on :)

 

Isolation

Despite not easily being able to get a good seal, several people at work tried to talk to me today and I had absolutely no idea they were there. Volume was not even high, so I guess isolation is good (and I'm a horrible manager!)

 

Microphonics

Horrible when worn straight down, not a problem when worn over the ear.

 

So in general, these earphones– which are basically free– are incredibly high value in all aspects. I'm not sure, however, that they measure up to the immense hype I've been reading in this thread! I very much doubt they match the Dunu 1ks for instance (though I've never tried), and I will make a comparison when I go and demo (aka buy) the Dunu 2ks tomorrow :)

 

Cheers,

Pin

 

 

+1. Great impressions.

 

Pretty much my thoughts to a tee. Burn-in has caused only the slightest of changes, nothing to alter my opinion. I've spent significant time listening to them to allow for "brain burn-in", and impressions stay the same. 

I suppose it is time to mod them. 

post #1309 of 2586
My mod job did not leave the grill recoverable, but luckily I had tips that cover the nozzle, so no ugly teabag for me.
post #1310 of 2586

I also agree with "thatBeatsguy".

 

If you want the complete best out of the "pistons", MOD them! You won't be disappointed!

 

A reminder to those that talk @$/?*% about the "pistons", they only cost around $20 dollars! That's why there is so much hype on them. I checked out other threads bashing the pistons for what ever reasons. And, YES! They do give other IEM's a run for their money.

 

Do the MOD! And than compare to others costing 5 times as much.

 

Reminder: $20 dollar pistons vs. $35, $45, $65, $85, $150, even $200 dollars.

 

Not mentioning any names, these are all the prices of the IEM's the "pistons" were often compared to.

 

Interesting? I believe so. :cool: .....so cool!

post #1311 of 2586

So I have a couple hours more of listening with my two favorite tips: monster gel supertips and complys. I prefer the complys by far as you get a better seal with shallow insertion, which solves my biggest gripe with the Pistons (adjusting/inserting deeper = painfully scraping your ear).

 

Better seal is better sound and as expected clarity has increased though it hasn't changed how I feel from my impressions.

 

I have to say that as I listen more I see why people love these earphones (beyond the price). Comparing them to my Monster Turbine Coppers ($280 these days) they are certainly lacking in detail and a bit warmer, but that may be a good thing for certain people and certain situations. I've been gaming with music on for last 2 hours and the Pistons keep the beat going without being distracting. I hate to say this but I would never enjoy this experience with my coppers. They might be better for the 20+ hour travel time between China and US too where the coppers get fatiguing after the ~8 hour mark (maybe I'm asking too much!)

 

To my personal taste, the bass quantity is still a bit high, and the lack of sub-bass/soundstage still leaves something to be desired for that ideal warm signature. But for $16 (a meal at IHOP) I think the hype is justified.

 

Re: modding, I kind of like them as they are but I'll probably do it at some point since... and I'll say it again... they are basically free.

 

[EDIT] Don't the foam filters have some sort of actual purpose??


Edited by Pin - 5/2/14 at 7:57am
post #1312 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

I also agree with "thatBeatsguy".

 

If you want the complete best out of the "pistons", MOD them! You won't be disappointed!

 

A reminder to those that talk @$/?*% about the "pistons", they only cost around $20 dollars! That's why there is so much hype on them. I checked out other threads bashing the pistons for what ever reasons. And, YES! They do give other IEM's a run for their money.

 

Do the MOD! And than compare to others costing 5 times as much.

 

Reminder: $20 dollar pistons vs. $35, $45, $65, $85, $150, even $200 dollars.

 

Not mentioning any names, these are all the prices of the IEM's the "pistons" were often compared to.

 

Interesting? I believe so. :cool: .....so cool!

Oi! Mah name is absolute! Respect mah authoritah! :evil: 

 

But seriously, adding quotation marks on usernames and headphones...well, that'd just be silly. Also, when you say over and over that the Pistons could match $200 IEMs, let me say again: that's too much of an overstatement. That brings up the question: what IEMs are you talking about? If we're talking, I dunno, Beats Tours, then the Pistons would beat them by a longshot. But even if you mod them and use T400s, they still wouldn't be worth 200 bucks.

 

Like I said: 150 bucks tops, but even at that I think they aren't worth that much.


Edited by thatBeatsguy - 5/2/14 at 9:46am
post #1313 of 2586

After reading through all 88 pages of this thread and evaluating my needs for IEMs I decided to order the IF edition from Penon Audio, rejoice.

post #1314 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by people View Post
 

After reading through all 88 pages of this thread and evaluating my needs for IEMs I decided to order the IF edition from Penon Audio, rejoice.

Congrats on making the decision! I guarantee you won't be disappointed!

 

But reading through all 88 pages? That's kinda nuts, but congrats on reading all the way through.

:beerchug:

post #1315 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin View Post
 

So I have a couple hours more of listening with my two favorite tips: monster gel supertips and complys. I prefer the complys by far as you get a better seal with shallow insertion, which solves my biggest gripe with the Pistons (adjusting/inserting deeper = painfully scraping your ear).

 

Better seal is better sound and as expected clarity has increased though it hasn't changed how I feel from my impressions.

 

I have to say that as I listen more I see why people love these earphones (beyond the price). Comparing them to my Monster Turbine Coppers ($280 these days) they are certainly lacking in detail and a bit warmer, but that may be a good thing for certain people and certain situations. I've been gaming with music on for last 2 hours and the Pistons keep the beat going without being distracting. I hate to say this but I would never enjoy this experience with my coppers. They might be better for the 20+ hour travel time between China and US too where the coppers get fatiguing after the ~8 hour mark (maybe I'm asking too much!)

 

To my personal taste, the bass quantity is still a bit high, and the lack of sub-bass/soundstage still leaves something to be desired for that ideal warm signature. But for $16 (a meal at IHOP) I think the hype is justified.

 

Re: modding, I kind of like them as they are but I'll probably do it at some point since... and I'll say it again... they are basically free.

 

[EDIT] Don't the foam filters have some sort of actual purpose??

I assume, the foam filters are their to protect the diagrams from dust....and/or tame the mid and high frequencies for a more commercial-like sound. But, if you manage to place the grills back on, at least it protects the diagram, as well. Most great sounding IEM's basically just carries the front protective grills. No foam filters.

post #1316 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by people View Post
 

After reading through all 88 pages of this thread and evaluating my needs for IEMs I decided to order the IF edition from Penon Audio, rejoice.

I would like to also congratulate you on your decision! It took 88 pages to convince you, but heck! One more for "Piston" family!

 

Let's fiesta!  :beyersmile:

post #1317 of 2586

I think it took me around a month after this thread popped up to finally order, and since, I'm waiting for my 3rd pair to arrive, guess you can say I'm quite sold on the product.

post #1318 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
 

I think it took me around a month after this thread popped up to finally order, and since, I'm waiting for my 3rd pair to arrive, guess you can say I'm quite sold on the product.

I have the 2.0, 2.1 and the IF Editions, myself. But, did you ever think about ordering the "Paperback Editions"? I carry these, as well. One in black, the other in white. Funny thing about these.....the front nozzle looks like a turbine engine from a jet plane. Which is cool! Plus, they have a lacquer-like look to them (ex: like a glossy looking piano).

 

.....just thought I'll through that in for you. :wink_face:

post #1319 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

I have the 2.0, 2.1 and the IF Editions, myself. But, did you ever think about ordering the "Paperback Editions"? I carry these, as well. One in black, the other in white. Funny thing about these.....the front nozzle looks like a turbine engine from a jet plane. Which is cool! Plus, they have a lacquer-like look to them (ex: like a glossy looking piano).

 

.....just thought I'll throw that in for you. :wink_face:

Have you ever purchased the old Paperbacks? They used to come only in white and looked like a whitewashed version of the old Pistons 1.0 with an all-silicone cable.

post #1320 of 2586
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

I have the 2.0, 2.1 and the IF Editions, myself. But, did you ever think about ordering the "Paperback Editions"? I carry these, as well. One in black, the other in white. Funny thing about these.....the front nozzle looks like a turbine engine from a jet plane. Which is cool! Plus, they have a lacquer-like look to them (ex: like a glossy looking piano).

 

.....just thought I'll through that in for you. :wink_face:

I think it was 2 or so days ago you told me where to buy em, at least I think it was you.  I have the black ones ordered and hopefully in transit.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav: