Originally Posted by svyr
a) Saw the fr chart for TI ref, looks pretty odd. (bass hump at 200hz, sharp and deep roll-off resulting no deep bass). very prominent 4-5khz what's more there's a dip at 1-3khz. and a peak at 4k (probably hence the detailed sound). What's more - the relative height of the 3-4-5k peak or RT1 is veeeery large (compared to 1k, it's what 15dB - that's 2-3 louder)
> But Sammy said that the bass would sound better after months of burn-in - so I guess I would need to be more patient.
yea... he told me the same thing...I think it looks more like a very odd choice of tuning.
I'm sorry, MONTHS? and um how long is the return policy again
Does he have a measured 'burned in one' [it's not really a burn-in discussion as such, since I don't think anyone would claim you'll get a 15db correction it lower bass over time...yea]
b) Finally , I've had a look at the online chinese flea markets , and it looks like some parts (e.g IEM shells or designs ) are common with the Ref 1/T1 pics on rhapsodio's FB. In particular from a seller called ppsound . Very similar shells (and even exact same shells) incl metal ones, references to titanium drivers, etc . However, the prices are um, well, 1/10 of what Ref T1 asking price is. It would be a real shame it RT1 is a 'polished' version of that.
What's more is the driver prices for DDs are not really high at all, and if you combine those with ready shells
...[also note the shell quality similarities]
Now I don't know any chinese, so perhaps someone who does can do some better searching?
I am not really into studying graphs and measurements extensively - to me, what is important is what I actually hear. After all, I won't feel really excited when I am reading graphs. The listening experience is more important to me
But I agree that bass is the weakness of Ti-One, and I certainly have doubts if the "growth" would be able to compensate the bass. For now, however, I guess I would give Ti-One the benefit of the doubt, given that it has exceeded my expectations several times during my short period of possession. I will post further impressions later.
Of course I don't really think I would be able to return the IEM after several months, even if the bass remains more or less the same - but I would still say I am glad to have this IEM in my arsenal, as it is good for vocals, live performances, classical music and instrumental music.
And thanks for sharing the links - that is something I didn't know about. It is also nice to see that Sammy has clarified about the housings as well. As I have mentioned in my review, I am not very satisfied with the quality of the housing - but the money I pay is not only for the housing, but also the final product. And in terms of sound quality, I personally think (and you may disagree with me ) that it certainly is worth the asking price - it is worth even more than the asking price in my experience so far. My views could change if the sound quality of my Ti-One goes downhill after further burn-in, or if it goes out of order in a few months of use; but for now, I am a happy customer.
Originally Posted by svyr
good pickup re ti body. but that's 460 for '
Titanium cavity with carbon fiber back cover + ie8 original unit + silver plated wire configuration Shure pins.Only ¥ 2800'
'PPsound DIY Total Artificial custom titanium carbon fiber rear Teflon silver plated headphone upgrade
(150 for the housing)
For rt1 i think The 'driver membrane' is titanium . and the shell - alu
I have an interesting feeling PPSound can supply the housing at say $50 unit (the aluminium one), and I'm having very significant doubts that the said titanium drivers are any more expensive than $40 =) [and those wild westerner prices
?] and that any additional tuning or dampening is done. [ i know the shells are being made from sanded alu for the RT1 but anyhow]
I feel that the drivers of IE8 and Ti-One are different - especially in terms of bass, they sound very different. Also, the clarity and details presented in Ti-One are also substantially better than IE8.
As customers, we are always hoping to get the best value for money. This is perfectly normal and understandable. But I can also understand that businesses would need to make and earn money.
Let me take "bread" as an example. It doesn't cost a lot to make a loaf of bread for a bakery; but a bakery often sells a loaf of bread at a price more than 10 times the cost. Why? Because when we are buying a loaf of bread, we are also helping the bakery to pay for the shop's rent, the salary of all its staff, electricity, equipment, etc. So if you want to save money instead of being "robbed" by a bakery, what can you do? You can make yourself a loaf of bread at home.
I don't have the skills or the knowledge to make an IEM by myself, so if I want a nice pair of IEMs, I would need to find one that fits me and then pay. And I would say this is a "fair trade" - I am not being forced at gun point to make the purchase, I am given other choices in the market, and I make the decision to buy a particular product with my own free will. To me, whether something is worth a particular price is very subjective - and in the overall picture, it is up to the customers to determine if the products are set at the right price. If the customers think that something is worth a certain price and matches their needs, there would be demand; if not, then the company would be punished (i.e. in the form of poor sales) for setting the price too high.
I give credit where credit is due - to me, Rhapsodio has created an IEM which is great for its asking price. And it's up to other users to verify my claim - I am only sharing my own thoughts. As I have mentioned in my first post, this is a subjective review. How they come up with this IEM, the hours they spent on research and tuning, or how much the parts actually cost ... these are not my concerns (but of course I would hope to get a better bargain - which is why I make the purchase during the sale ). I am most concerned about the performance of the final product as a customer. I wouldn't say Ti-One can fit all my needs - in fact, so far no IEMs can, because I listen to a wide variety of music. Say, for bass-heavy tracks, I definitely prefer to use my V6-S or Stage 4. But when compared with other IEMs at its price, Ti-One is a solid performer that can stand on its own, and it wouldn't need to reduce its retail price by half before I would pull the trigger.