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This has been discussed hundreds of times in this thread and the AK240 thread. AK240 only have optical out to the Hugo. Please search online for answers by yourself.

I sent my AK120 to red wine audio to add a coax output in order to get the best out of both the AK120 and Hugo.

 

yea now i regretted not getting rwak240+, only available option is mini toslink to toslink....

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post #7757 of 8305
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@Rob Watts, Hi Fi Choice mentioned in their review of the Hugo that one could increase the dynamic range of the Hugo (when used solely as a DAC with a pairing amplifier) by increasing the volume of the Hugo to the max (white color light indicator) whilst simultaneously reducing the volume on the amp until it reaches clipping point. The magazine says this makes the Hugo sound its best. Can you verify if this method indeed makes the Hugo sound its best? 

 

Are you sure it is not on the other way around? Every amp has input sensitivity. Hence, if you put too much load into the amp, it would produce clipping.


Edited by alubis - 8/21/14 at 5:46am
post #7758 of 8305
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Originally Posted by archeryc View Post


This has been discussed hundreds of times in this thread and the AK240 thread. AK240 only have optical out to the Hugo. Please search online for answers by yourself.

I sent my AK120 to red wine audio to add a coax output in order to get the best out of both the AK120 and Hugo.

 

I've just added a few components to my rig for reasons that I will go into at some length at a later date, but as soon as I saw the iDSD had coax-out I knew I had to have it, particularly as USB-B-to-micro adapters arent particularly common in this neck of the woods. Throw in the fact that I get to assess the iDSD's worth as a USB-SPDIF converter (with and without the upstream links in the chain), I've almost forgiven iFi for making a USB cable which seems to have been designed by the same team that work on the undersea fiber-optic cables that link our continents. 

post #7759 of 8305
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post

I've just added a few components to my rig for reasons that I will go into at some length at a later date, but as soon as I saw the iDSD had coax-out I knew I had to have it, particularly as USB-B-to-micro adapters arent particularly common in this neck of the woods. Throw in the fact that I get to assess the iDSD's worth as a USB-SPDIF converter (with and without the upstream links in the chain), I've almost forgiven iFi for making a USB cable which seems to have been designed by the same team that work on the undersea fiber-optic cables that link our continents. 

How's the sound out from iDSD? The reason I didn't choose USB is because computer always have some noise exists in the background of music. Especially for computers that installed lots software and program. Macbook can do better jobs than windows system.

That's why I always prefer an independent source/transport. smily_headphones1.gif
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iDSD Micro has an iPurifier built into it. $100 product on its own.


Edited by wisnon - 8/22/14 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
 

iDSD Micro has an iPifier built into it. $100 product on its own.

 

I bought the Nano and the iPurifier because I wanted to see if I could detect what adding and removing each piece of the puzzle did to the final result, and one of the reasons the iPurifier retails for $99 is casework and packaging - if they offered it as an extra-cost option for the Nano (assuming they could fit the board in the case) I doubt that it would be any more than a $50 option. I can also play with adapters into my other DACs in an attempt to see just what the iPurifier is doing for my music, and I can do that without the USB-SPDIF conversion offered by the iDSD models.

 

There were pros and cons to both iDSD models - I went with the cheaper option largely because I suspected that it's primary role in my system would be as a USB-SPDIF converter for the Hugo, but I will spend more time today evaluating it's DSD prowess : the designer has some very interesting thoughts on the Burr-Brown chip that forms the basis for both the iDSD and my longtime budget favorite the HRT microStreamer. For a budget chip, the 1793 has some serious punch in the low end - more on that in a 'rig review' I'm working on. 

 

The question that remains unanswered at this point is whether the money might have been better put toward this:

 

http://www.audiophilleo.com/audiophilleo2.aspx

 

All I can say is that with freight and Thailand's import duty, the price differential would have been considerably more and I wouldnt have gained another DSD-capable DAC - swings and roundabouts. 

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Originally Posted by archeryc View Post


How's the sound out from iDSD? The reason I didn't choose USB is because computer always have some noise exists in the background of music. Especially for computers that installed lots software and program. Macbook can do better jobs than windows system.

That's why I always prefer an independent source/transport. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Definitely serious merit to your last statement, and I'll leave the discussion of the iDSD's sound to someone who has spent considerably more time with it than I have:

 

http://www.audiostream.com/content/ifi-nano-idsd-dacheadphone-amp

 

My brief listening impression is that it's a good foil for the Hugo's more refined approach to the role of the DAC in one's system - what it may lack in detail retrieval and articulation over the Hugo, the little iDSD works very hard to give you the kick in the pants many of us want from our music,  At this stage, I cant say that I'd recommend it to lovers of classical or female acoustic, but if you want fun factor this just might float your boat with the right cans -  more in due time. 

post #7763 of 8305

Estreeter, are you then confirming that the coax out from the iDSD is truly DoP capable (ie that DSD is passed through the iDSD out to the coax in DoP)?  The specs don't lend themselves to that conclusion.  They simply say the classic "coax is limited to 24/192 PCM" which is technically true for any high-speed coax, but since the iDSD also accepts DSD via USB input does it pass that DSD to the coax outputs via DoP over digital?

post #7764 of 8305

Ted,

 

There is no iDSD model. There is the older iDSD Nano and the just released iDSD Micro. They are different designs with different specs and very different price points. The consensus among owners so far is that the Micro is more refined sounding.

 

While I dont know if either passes DSD via DoP, it is quite possible that one does and the other does not. EStreeter hs the older nano and I would not be quick to conclude that that model can do all that the newer, more expensive, one can.

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Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
 

Ted,

 

There is no iDSD model. There is the older iDSD Nano and the just released iDSD Micro. They are different designs with different specs and very different price points. The consensus among owners so far is that the Micro is more refined sounding.

 

While I dont know if either passes DSD via DoP, it is quite possible that one does and the other does not. EStreeter hs the older nano and I would not be quick to conclude that that model can do all that the newer, more expensive, one can.


?  I am well aware of iFi's present and future product sets.  Yes,the question was not a rhetorical one; I, of course, I am asking him about his iDSD Nano, cuz only a few posts earlier he said he had bought it and was using it as a DDC (hence the question). I shortened it to iDSD as many would have simply shortened it to "your DAC" (of which there is also no model). 

 

If the darn thing doesn't pass DSD via DoP digital then using it in the same sentence as an Audiophileo (which he did) is inaccurately hopeful and comparing apples vs oranges (assuming one wants to listen to DSD).  Most other DDC's I know of pass DSD (cuz it's simply DoP via 24/176) but the iDSD (family) is also a DAC, with a later analog stage, etc.. and that potentially changes things as to what is present on their combi coax output (which the spec sheet doesn't elaborate on).  And yes, each of the iDSD family could act differently....so.....I asked him about HIS Nano. 

 

Lemme put it this way, if the iDSD Nano (or Micro for that matter) can be used as a full fledge DDC, then it's not so silly to use it that way with the Hugo in the home, then also unhook it and grab for less serious portable needs (which means one is walking around with significantly less investment to drop on the subway floor, sidewalk,etc).

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?  I am well aware of iFi's present and future product sets.  Yes,the question was not a rhetorical one; I, of course, I am asking him about his iDSD Nano, cuz only a few posts earlier he said he had bought it and was using it as a DDC (hence the question). I shortened it to iDSD as many would have simply shortened it to "your DAC" (of which there is also no model).

 

If the darn thing doesn't pass DSD via DoP digital then using it in the same sentence as an Audiophileo (which he did) is inaccurately hopeful and comparing apples vs oranges (assuming one wants to listen to DSD).  Most other DDC's I know of pass DSD (cuz it's simply DoP via 24/176) but the iDSD (family) is also a DAC, with a later analog stage, etc.. and that potentially changes things as to what is present on their combi coax output (which the spec sheet doesn't elaborate on).  And yes, each of the iDSD family could act differently....so.....I asked him about HIS Nano.

 

Lemme put it this way, if the iDSD Nano (or Micro for that matter) can be used as a full fledge DDC, then it's not so silly to use it that way with the Hugo in the home, then also unhook it and grab for less serious portable needs (which means one is walking around with significantly less investment to drop on the subway floor, sidewalk,etc).

Understood and agreed Ted,

 

I suspected you knew the difference, but out of an abundance of caution, i made that post to make people aware that the 2 models have some striking differences in features and SQ. I am trying to get a definitiv answer for you regarding that passing DSD as doP question... stay tuned.

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@ted_b, you're overthinking this - I simply pointed out that I may have been better served buying the AP2 straight up than the iFi 'stack' but it would have cost me significantly more and I wouldnt have had the flexibility I have with the iFi combination, Anything the iDSD does for me over and above it's role as an inexpensive DAC/amp is a bonus - I agree that any comparison between the iFi gear and the AP2 is completely apples and oranges. You strike me as a very analytical guy, but I think you've put too much thought into this one. Any serious discussion of the AP2 would be around other gear in that price range and that isnt the current iFi market. The Nano is a neat little Swiss Army knife if you have no particular desire to have the 'best' of any one of the arrows in it's quiver - I personally like the sound signature but I have no doubt that others would run a mile - that's showbiz. 

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Estreeter,

All I wanna know is can you play DSD through the Nano iDSD coax out to the Hugo (i.e is it a full function DDC like the others)?  Thx

Ted

post #7769 of 8305

I'm at a loss ... How do I connect Hugo to late 2013 MBPr? Which supplied optical do I use?  I have a micro USB cable but unclear on how to  use it.

Also ,, (dont laugh ) the optical on the Hugo .. do I remove that cap? Is that for protection for the light aperture?

 

Finally whats been your experience in using hugo in the car? Specifically,  late models that have USB ready connects for idevices? Sorry for the newbie questions...

 

Mike

post #7770 of 8305

Got my female banans to rca male custom cables from Kimber today. Sounds great connected staright to HUGO running 2 passive speakers.

 

 

Going AQ Rocket 88 to Kimber GQ Mini custom made to HUGO.

 

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