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Originally Posted by Sonic77 View Post
 


Wrong, Hugo is the best :p

Hey, I thought we were agreeing :wink_face:

LoL

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If all Al wants is a little DSD with his Hugo -

 

http://schiit.com/products/loki

 

$149 and he can spend the change on beer :D

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This thread never recovered from being moved into the Summit-Fi forum ;)

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Originally Posted by Frank Hardly View Post

Thank goodness for that. I just read 470 pages of dialogue re the Hugo as I sold my QuteHD and ordered a Hugo for arrival on Monday. You are mildly entertaining Al, but your unlimited budget skews your pov relative to the rest of us schmucks who are trying to find that compromise between budget and sound without having our wives geld us. Your insistence on progressively picking holes in this item is becoming a bit odious. I loved the QuteHD and became convinced that the relative value of the Hugo was good and gave me a step up. I sold my AP 1 with Pure Power to finance this item and am really looking forward to it. I love good things in small packages. Maybe you need to lurk in another subset of audiodom - one for the insanely rich or plain insane who are looking for the absolute best with no consideration for money. 
I digress briefly and observe that in 470 pages I learned the following:
Some think the Hugo is a game changer and others don't
Some think its bright and others don't
Some thinks it should be bigger and have a bigger power supply - others don't
Some think it works well with HD800 -others don't

Probably the most useful thing I learned from the 470 pages is that Audioquest makes a Usb b to micro adapter. $10 from my local audio shop.
Live free and prosper

Hahaha, very well said and humour. biggrin.gif

Be honest to your own ear, that's the only thing we should do and learn.
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I prefer to talk about what Hugo is rather than what it isn't.

What it is is a revolutionary DAC at its price and form factor.
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I prefer to talk about what Hugo is rather than what it isn't.

What it is is a revolutionary DAC at its price and form factor.

 

I began to see a 'problem' when magazine after magazine started publishing gushing reviews, including the quote 'This might just be the best DAC Chord have ever built !'.  Throw in the old standby 'competes with DACs 3 or 4 times the price !' and the Hugo was always destined to have a target painted on it. I guess it's the natural order on HF - happened with the HD800 and the LCD2 : we build 'em up to tear 'em down. I'm all for a better mousetrap, but I'm also keenly aware of the fact that many people bought a DAC from Benchmark or CEntrance or NAD and havent felt the need to buy another - there will be 'another Hugo' along in short order, hailed as a gamechanger no doubt, but I'm in no particular hurry to ride those rails the next time around. 

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For what it is !!! What it is, is a truely superior Dac that you have been putting in a lot of time and effort over many months simply to denigrate and damn with faint praise, what is your real motivation Al?


I don't own a Hugo. I read the entire thread. And I think that AI's posts are very instructive. I don't see any hidden motivation

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I've got plenty of PCM and no DSD. But then, I'm a music lover, not an audiophile ;) (I am an audiophile - with limited means)

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This thread never recovered from being moved into the Summit-Fi forum wink.gif
True, that is why I started another portable only discussion in the previous forum...

Let the big boys play with their 'budget' toy, whereas us in the less extreme world can be very happy with a taste of the high life on a 'modest' budget...
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I've got plenty of PCM and no DSD. But then, I'm a music lover, not an audiophile ;) (I am an audiophile - with limited means)

 

You're neither. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

 

Where's Col Kurtz when we really need him ?

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Originally Posted by weisse muller View Post

For what it is !!! What it is, is a truely superior Dac that you have been putting in a lot of time and effort over many months simply to denigrate and damn with faint praise, what is your real motivation Al?
Some people are naturally contrarians despite the fact that they use the product daily. I know people who fly constantly but profess to really hating it. Obviously if they hated something that much they would at least entertain another possible solution. Make sense?
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post


If I use it daily and have repeatedly said it's very good for what it is how is this make me a bad guy. It does PCM well but cheats us on dsd and after reading watts response I see why he thinks it's not worth it . I can understand voicing a product to have a certain sound and weather I like it or not is preference . But to take a entire format and feel it's not worth playing well this is just a terrible platform to make a product from. I honestly think it's a unwanted side effect of the process that is used to make PCM sound good .
I had a listening session with this device http://chordelectronics.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=84
Obviously I like chord electronics products .
Al

 

The horror, the horror ......

 

Al, I'm not going to start a class war tonight (Thailand time) - let's pick this up tomorrow, shall we ? 

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Originally Posted by bpcans View Post


Some people are naturally contrarians despite the fact that they use the product daily. I know people who fly constantly but profess to really hating it. Obviously if they hated something that much they would at least entertain another possible solution. Make sense?

 

That only makes sense if you enjoy sitting on a bus for 8-10 hours or your boss is happy for you to travel by boat the next time he needs you in Europe. I have no fear of flying whatsoever, but I loathe sitting in that seat for hours at a time, not to mention the drudgery at the airport - I realise you were trying to illustrate a point, but it was a poor choice IMO. Contrarian enough for ya ?  ;)

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That only makes sense if you enjoy sitting on a bus for 8-10 hours or your boss is happy for you to travel by boat the next time he needs you in Europe. I have no fear of flying whatsoever, but I loathe sitting in that seat for hours at a time, not to mention the drudgery at the airport - I realise you were trying to illustrate a point, but it was a poor choice IMO. Contrarian enough for ya ?  wink.gif
Estreeter, yes your point is contrarian enough for me. Lol. Thank you sir for your response and for your sensibility. For any long period of time traveling I'd love to have a Hugo, my iPhone 5s, and some nice IEM''s.
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Originally Posted by speedracer1 View Post

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Al is correct in many ways....

The Lampi, MSB and DS are three great Dac's for sure.  In. particular the Lampi Big 7 and the MSB are honestly amazing and the sound is totally engaging.  When I'm listening, I'm mentally taken to a different place and I'm physically and emotionally engaged in the music sometimes really completely immersed!  It would make me glad (and worth every penny) that I spent the money (justified) on a real end-game system like that.  For example listening to the voice of a Nora Jones recording is nothing short of AMAZING.  Every breath she takes, the undulation, expression, voice articulation and inference of her forming the actual words from her lips to my ears is a blessing.  I'm at the mic no I'm hearing it as if I was the mic.  Can I hear it represented the same way with the Hugo... NO I CAN'T and it's very apparent from the moment you start comparing.  You don't need to be an audiophile.  I think one of Al's points (forgive me if I'm out of step Al) is that as the Hugo thread was going along (earlier) and the Hugo was "hailed" as one of the ultimate dac's and it was compared to the Direct Stream and some others...  I think Al was just trying to say "hey wait a minute here it's a damn good portable dac but let's not loose site of what it really is".  
To me at the end of the day the Hugo is an amazing piece of equipment and I'm damn proud to own it as it's an integral part of my portable rig set-up.  Nothing at this price point gets even close and yes its a "game changer" in it's respective product grouping!  I honestly don't like to carry into work almost 8k in portable gear each day to listen to music but I'm proud and emotionally engaged and connected to my rig....
Sincerely
-Speedracer1
Your sentiments are quite fair and well put.

Whilst the internet breaks down borders, not everyone is a good public communicator. A degree does not automatically make for a good teacher. Well intentioned as it is, Al probably does not realise the manner in which he comes across, which is unfortunate as not everyone has a local dealer or the means to spend on tap and so appreciate new viewpoints during research.

Having read the thread from the beginning the impressions were claiming the Hugo was comparable to DACs retailing several times higher.* Nobody appeared to claim it was besting 10k or 20k sources, quite the opposite, as the point was precisely one would have to spend that much to attain the next level of performance.

The rumoured home DAC from Chord to feature the latest FPGA advances will no doubt be keenly dissected if and when it comes out. We will no doubt see some head-fiers trading in their Hugo as they never required battery power or portability.

*local pricing and currency differences are important to remember in this game
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