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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Oh my lord, this is sonic bliss.  Did I mention vocals are realistic?  Sound is super clear and detailed.  I know the clarity is not losing resolution.  My NT6 really appreciates the Hugo.  Great relationship.  I personally think Nirvana is hit.  Sorry for the hype.  :D  I'm just really enjoying the Hugo.

 

 

I was just thinking of your posts from a week or two ago where you were skeptical -- now I think you understand that we aren't all crazy. This is what the hobby is about! :) 

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

I was just thinking of your posts from a week or two ago where you were skeptical -- now I think you understand that we aren't all crazy. This is what the hobby is about! :) 

I still think we are all coocoo.  We are so meticulously of trying to get that last drop of performance that the majority don't care to focus on.  But yeah, I'm enjoying this torture of trying to get the most out of the sound.  That reminds me, I have to see my therapist about my addiction to sound perfection.

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Originally Posted by lovethatsound View Post

Al you keep saying the ds audio dac is in another level compared 2 the Hugo, but I have given you 3 different reviews of people who have got both, and all of them say they prefer the Hugo.maybe 2 your ears it does,but 2 other people's it don't. And then there's the small question of price, ds audio dac £5200, Chord Hugo £1400.Now even you Al have said they sound very similar.why is the Hugo a game changer? Because it gives you high end sound 4 a reasonable price.Think about it Al.

I agree with Al that DS is probably better overall than hugo sound wise. Still waiting for DS to open up fully (which ps audio is famous for making eq take forever to burn in. Like 500 hours on my PWD) but I can see its potential. DS is headed in similar direction that hugo is in. For my purposes, the lampizator seems significantly better in the ways the hugo seems better to me than other delta sigma dacs (rightness of the overall sound, musicality, etc.). So I would prefer either DS or LAMPI to hugo. But I've gotten so much new equipment that I haven't done critical listening yet. However you are right that cost plays a factor as well as associated equipment and listening ability. For some, a cheap ess implementation is more than good enough and we all are imagining everything else. And more than a few would argue Geek Out 1000 is best portable DAC/amp combo (I'm not one of them).

Just trying to say different stroke for different folks. No need to try to convince someone they are wrong when they have owned all the equipment. It's not like you have the same equipment or taste in music or ears as him. And especially not with evidence that some of your friends thought that hugo was better. I would however be interested in hearing your friends circumstances and equipment involved as well as how it was better. I still have to do critical listening and appreciate any info on what to listen for. I'm open to having my mind changed as it is early in the game for me.

I think Al and I agree that the Hugo is a game changer as it raised the bar significantly for portable sound. It did not raise it for the upper end of dacs for me, but it is competitive. Oh since I am talking about different strokes for different folks. I want to caveat that my comments are from my headphone setup which is currently in flux. But most of listening on stax sr-009 and kgsshv with some hd800 and lcdx listening direct on hugo or from EC 2a3. So I guess soundstage means less for me since all headphones are stinky compared to good speaker setup. I expect micro dynamics and such carry more weight as I can hear them better with headphones.
Edited by Crashem - 7/20/14 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

Hello Al

I listened to my friend's new DS last week for more than an hour, he likes it how it plays his dsd better than his MSB stack. So now the MSB needs to go except the transport. To throw Hugo into the equation is that based on memory, Hugo reproduces bass notes superior to the DS. I am however also intrigued enough and plan to get DS in the near future. Lastly, my friend audition a Lamp7 before pulling the trigger on DS.

So i tend to believe Hugo is definitely not a tier below than DS...

I think most here are audio addicts on this forum who beg and pray at nite for new gear better than the ones we own..And man enough to admit one toy is better than other regardless of ownership...

You are the man to have them all. Cheers.

I would be also interested in hearing about your friends setup and comments. Msb is also on my dac's to try list. But been hesitating as I will have to buy to try and the loss/hassle from buy/reselling msb stack is making me hesitate. So any info is helpful about msb and any of my current equipment to help me make that decision.
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

I was just thinking of your posts from a week or two ago where you were skeptical -- now I think you understand that we aren't all crazy. This is what the hobby is about! :) 

I still think we are all coocoo.  We are so meticulously of trying to get that last drop of performance that the majority don't care to focus on.  But yeah, I'm enjoying this torture of trying to get the most out of the sound.  That reminds me, I have to see my therapist about my addiction to sound perfection.

 

I'm enjoying the sound! I don't feel like anything is missing now (except maybe better speakers).

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Originally Posted by Crashem View Post


I think Al and I agree that the Hugo is a game changer as it raised the bar significantly for portable sound. It did not raise it for the upper end of dacs for me, but it is competitive. Oh since I am talking about different strokes for different folks.

 

Elegantly put and totally agreed with that.  As much as I love my Hugo I'm at times put off by some of my local folks who are a bit too excitable and proclaim it's the be all end all DAC of the universe.

 

Having said that, I do see the point of those who think of Hugo as a "game changer" in the desktop/full rig area - not in the sense of raising the absolute bar, but in the sense of raising the bar at the $2500 price point (and $2500 all-inclusive without the expensive power supplies that certain maker promote or expensive power cord) and as the first entrant at this range that is not designed around any mass produced DAC chip(s).

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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Elegantly put and totally agreed with that.  As much as I love my Hugo I'm at times put off by some of my local folks who are a bit too excitable and proclaim it's the be all end all DAC of the universe.

Having said that, I do see the point of those who think of Hugo as a "game changer" in the desktop/full rig area - not in the sense of raising the absolute bar, but in the sense of raising the bar at the $2500 price point (and $2500 all-inclusive without the expensive power supplies that certain maker promote or expensive power cord) and as the first entrant at this range that is not designed around any mass produced DAC chip(s).

Well hugo making the desktop version on my too audition list. Given the generous interaction with the chief designer, I've learned a lot about his ideas and designs. Knowing that even more capable FPGA chips, from the manufacturer the hugo is using, are out or soon to be released, I am excited. Also, I think given no power or size limitations, he can do an even more amazing job.
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

It's all opinions and yes all I listed I own. The hugo is below the DS based on an overall sound I like. The sound of instramints and the resonations. The ambience around the recordings. It's not that the hugo does not have them but the DS has much more and overall brings more clarity to the presentation. This is based on headphones and speakers in A b comaprrisons. Blitz the hugo is very good at its price point better than anything I have heard for sure . I do find it odd that the MSB and the lampi were below the DS. again it's all desired sound and sytem synergy too. For me and now the lampi is tops , may I ask what MSB did your frind have ?? Was it the analog DAC and what transport ?

DAC is Analog DAc
Transport is UMT

I hear what I hear and for however brief period I didnt think DS exceeds Hugo. Maybe I will get one and AB then discuss more bcos its a fine sounding unit. However, it doesnt sound like an immediate need.
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post


DAC is Analog DAc
Transport is UMT

I hear what I hear and for however brief period I didnt think DS exceeds Hugo. Maybe I will get one and AB then discuss more bcos its a fine sounding unit. However, it doesnt sound like an immediate need.

 

Wow the Analog DAC even without the power supply, a unit with volume control and usb+optical/coax inputs is already $9000... and the power supply unit itself is more expensive than the Hugo.  Heck some can get a 2nd hand Hugo for just the price of its power cord.

 

Makes the DS a huge bargin!

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Wonder if Chord will be releasing the Desktop version of Hugo with balanced output in their new product line soon.

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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Wow the Analog DAC even without the power supply, a unit with volume control and usb+optical/coax inputs is already $9000... and the power supply unit itself is more expensive than the Hugo.  Heck some can get a 2nd hand Hugo for just the price of its power cord.

Makes the DS a huge bargin!


Its exactly why I am tempted to get the DS and find a SACD transport then spend rest of the time and energy in Shibuya Tower records LoL

Having said that I maybe just good with Hugo for now
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With the money for DS, id seriously consider the Overdrive SE.

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Let's approach this VFM question from a slightly different angle - how many single boxes could you throw in a backpack with a laptop, your cable of choice, a pair of good headphones, and expect to blow minds ? I'm not even talking serious Head-Fiers who want to pore over every note from a series of impeccably recorded hi-res albums (they're out there ..) - I'm talking people who didn't know their iTunes downloads or favourite YT vids could ever sound this good. Whatever Eureka moments Rob had at 2am when he was neck-deep in the design of this thing have paid dividends in ways that I'm really only conscious of when I swap to another source, and its that effortless magic that sets the Hugo apart from everything else I've heard. If PS Audio have built a better mousetrap, great, but I don't need it and I can't afford it - I've finally reached the point where the main bottleneck is the recording quality of some of my music.

 

(If Neil Young achieves nothing else with Pono, I'm hopeful that he can get artists and producers back on the right track, but that's a topic for another thread) 

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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
 

Let's approach this VFM question from a slightly different angle - how many single boxes could you throw in a backpack with a laptop, your cable of choice, a pair of good headphones, and expect to blow minds ? I'm not even talking serious Head-Fiers who want to pore over every note from a series of impeccably recorded hi-res albums (they're out there ..) - I'm talking people who didn't know their iTunes downloads or favourite YT vids could ever sound this good. Whatever Eureka moments Rob had at 2am when he was neck-deep in the design of this thing have paid dividends in ways that I'm really only conscious of when I swap to another source, and its that effortless magic that sets the Hugo apart from everything else I've heard. If PS Audio have built a better mousetrap, great, but I don't need it and I can't afford it - I've finally reached the point where the main bottleneck is the recording quality of some of my music.

 

 

Agreed 100% 

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Still waiting for a comparison with Benchmark DAC2 ^_^
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