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Would RUT-1 make more sense with usb hub?

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Originally Posted by PhilW View Post
 

I hope that it has been certified by Apple and not just had a lighting connector attached to one end. Be very easy for Apple to stop that lightning from working if they haven't authorised it. :-(

 

Well, we've got quite a few alternatives in this case.

 

The "Holy Grail" should be transplanting those Lightning connectors from genuine Apple accessories, bulletproof for sure and end of the (relatively expensive) story.

 


 

And then here is another avenue for C48 connector that's meant for iOS 8.x or above

 

http://www.wellpower4.com/about.asp

 

http://www.wellpower4.com/product.asp?ptype=16&stype=107

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/MFi-flat-original-C48-8pin-cable-for-iPhone5-5s-ipad4-ipadmini-charging-and-data-snyc-wtih/1168666_1736208172.html

 


 

Next option is spending 10 bucks (or less) on a supposedly genuine Lightning connector and test that with beta version of iOS 8.0

 

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19378430002

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38519476065

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=39136178750

 


 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

Would RUT-1 make more sense with usb hub?

 

Technically speaking, even USB ports available on the motherboard itself are more or less like part of a hub. Let's take a look at Device Manager

 

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Let's see, maybe it makes more sense to disable all on-board USB ports in the BIOS since they're more likely to pick up noise from the rest of the system. We could even do that before the OS is installed so no drivers are even installed for those USB ports.

 

The only USB ports that matter are the ones far away from the motherboard itself. That's why spending 50 bucks for that mini-PCI Express to PCI Express thingy could help, and then another 100 bucks for VOLENT Audio's USB card with Femto Clock if that were actually worth the investment. Most likely we're getting 2 USB ports on each USB card, obviously we'll save one for Hugo and then plug RUT-1 into another one.

 

As usual it might be a tough call between the KiSS principle and the "stay far away from the motherboard" way. Ideally we could mitigate problems related to noise by designing a custom-made motherboard that's meant for nothing but a digital transport, that could probably involve some sorta development that's somewhat similar to the creation of Altmann Tera-Player. Not to mention that we're constantly dealing with tradeoffs between functionality versus ultimate SQ.

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just got my gigabyte z97 motherboard that have audiophile usb port specially for eksternal dac use

and it have option in bios to disable the 5volt or enable in that special usb port.

will test it tommorow.

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Someone in Taiwan ran some relatively thorough tests with Gigabyte H81 motherboard, those results turned out to be kinda disappointing (i.e. more like marketing hype than anything else)

 

http://www.pcdvd.com.tw/showthread.php?t=1034698

 

Let's hope that Z97 flavor is getting much better.

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No it's not necessary because Hugo only senses that the USB power is there this is done at a very high impeadance so the signal cannot be corrupting in any way.
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I'm taking my first steps in the audio world , so this might be a rookie question... does using hugo with a Mac (mini or others) will be better then with PC, (sound wise) while playing FLAC or WAV files?
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And the answer you seek is a complex one and there will be many a swords and none the same.
First off. The are many rumors that Mac is better than PC. Not reall true but there is some truth to it but for the wrong reasons. Using a iMac with an I7 CPU with aurdivana plus. I can achive great sound with almost all dacs. But now go to a I7 Mac book pro same configuration and much less results. The reason is simple a mobile does not have the same CPU prating as a desk top. Why battery consumption so it steps back and forth.
Next is PC to Mac. Well here it is not so simple either. PC has many more options and building a caps with win server 2012 is by far the best and above macs for me. But not for all so now it gets muddy. There will be many post,s to come .
Of your building a PC get a PPA PCI X card and simple dc power supply for it. This and win 7 with an I7 CPU is fine. And the list can go up Fromm there . Good luck .
Al
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My desktop PC sounds better than my Mac Mini FWIW. I tried both with my Hugo and my Meridian Director, and the big Windows box was better with both, more ease and grace.

Maybe it's because my Mini has a spinning disk, and the PC has solid state drives, so that may be the reason.

When I tried music on an external spinner disk, it sounded kind of bad, but my external SSD sounds much better, and the SSD disks (I have 2 of them) right inside the Windows box sounds better still.

All I know right now is that I am extremely pleased with my Windows 7 / Hugo system, with very high end sound (like a 5-figure-and-beyond cd player), so I feel no need to push this further at this point.


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/14/14 at 4:35pm
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So I decided to experiment by unplugging my Hugo from the charger all day (but turned on) and now it seems to need a whole new charge-up.

I think I'm going back to leaving it plugged into AC power all the time as usual.

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I knew it was complicated...frown.gif. Do you happen to know if a PC like for example the intel Nuc could be a good solution? (regarding your Mac mini statement). Maybe there's a way I can upgrade the sound card? I've been using PC all my life and not really into adjusting to Mac at this age. The problem is I'm building my main system setup here.
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If you are handy add the Paul pang PPA PCI x card
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Originally Posted by Amc1 View Post

I knew it was complicated...frown.gif. Do you happen to know if a PC like for example the intel Nuc could be a good solution? (regarding your Mac mini statement). Maybe there's a way I can upgrade the sound card? I've been using PC all my life and not really into adjusting to Mac at this age. The problem is I'm building my main system setup here.

I know what you mean. For some reason, even though Windows has some quirks, I can always seem to get around them, and the Apple OS seems awkward and hard to control and sometimes too cute for its own good.

The Apple tablet OS is good though.

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my usb ports on my asus sabertooth z77 mobo have always been disappointing, so i bought a PCIe USB card and it works well with most USB dacs(except tenor) i've owned in the past, including the hugo, i recently started using the toslink port on the mentioned mobo and have never looked back,
there is no distortion, hum, hiss, crackle or anything to resemble any kind of disruption using the toslink, i recommend you guys try your mobo's toslink and see results.
Edited by belisk - 7/14/14 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by belisk View Post

my usb ports on my asus sabertooth z77 mobo have always been disappointing, so i bought a PCIe USB card and it works well with most USB dacs(except tenor) i've owned in the past, including the hugo, i recently started using the toslink port on the previously mentioned mobo and have never looked back,
Gigabyte have some "audio grade" USB ports in their premium mobo. I just found that out when I was shopping for a gaming micro-PC. I think I will give it a shot.
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Finally got the Hugo. This product is indeed deserving of this huge thread. My hats off to Chord for pulling off reference class performance in a product this small at this price range. In the past couple months I auditioned portable amps in the $500+ range notably: Duet, Pure II, 627X, Kojo, Pico Power and ALO Conti V3. Audition done using the same setup: ipod Classic 160GB > CLAS DB > Amp > Shure 846.

 

All these amps I have to admit are good, and all bettered my trusted iqube V1, and I can see why one would pick one from the other as each had their own unique strength. But when I heard the Hugo it was game over. I have a speaker system consisting of Dynaudio Confidence speakers with Accuphase/Rowland electronics. I also have a secondary system consisting of Harbeth P3ESR and Plinius electronics. I am amazed the Hugo with a lowly ipod and 846 can produce sonic fidelity that not only compete but may even exceed my primary system. As others have said in this thread this thing is a game changer.

 

Now I need to find a digital coax SPDIF cable to connect the CLAS DB to the Hugo. Currently I am using a plain vanilla RCA analog cable w/c seem to work fine, but I am sure I can do better. Any recommendation for this cable will be greatly appreciated.

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